Saw comment about Wis enjoys working with MAC. Somebody said, As long Ref's keep letting B-10 win the close one's. Temple always takes big paydays on the road. And you guys know how they work out, No calls go your way & can't get break. Temple would be in the game end 3 rd Quater, lack of depth would take it's toll. You think Temple ever got break in the B-E. Can not count opponents scroring drives that TU held on 3rd down & out came the flag. TU drive down in scroreing position, out comes the flag. Opponents miss FG, no promblem, flag, turn into TD. Went to Penn St- TU game 2yrs ago in Happy Valley, TU out play them lost 23-7. Commented 7 times, in situations like I descripe above before the play, Money teams get the call here, we'll see flag on TU. I hit on all 7. Point of the story is Temple gets fair shake in the MAC. Temple will improve.
Welcome to the boards!
Glad to have Temple in the MAC!
The only problem will be the media. When Temple improves, it will be because of the "inferior" competition they're facing in the MAC, as opposed to the Big East. It won't matter that it's not true, but I'd be interested to start a pool as to which ESPN Gameday blowhard says it first. I'm guessing the Nebraska reject.
EDIT: That's not a slam (from me at least) on the MAC; it would be the same with any non-BCS conference.
Southern Miss Alum Wrote:The only problem will be the media. When Temple improves, it will be because of the "inferior" competition they're facing in the MAC, as opposed to the Big East. It won't matter that it's not true, but I'd be interested to start a pool as to which ESPN Gameday blowhard says it first. I'm guessing the Nebraska reject.
EDIT: That's not a slam (from me at least) on the MAC; it would be the same with any non-BCS conference.
I'd suspect that would be what one would also be reading in the Philly market that the Owl's will
supposedly deliver to the MAC.
Southern Miss Alum Wrote:The only problem will be the media. When Temple improves, it will be because of the "inferior" competition they're facing in the MAC, as opposed to the Big East. It won't matter that it's not true, but I'd be interested to start a pool as to which ESPN Gameday blowhard says it first. I'm guessing the Nebraska reject.
EDIT: That's not a slam (from me at least) on the MAC; it would be the same with any non-BCS conference.
I made the same point a few weeks ago. I also pick the Nebraska dilrod...or the SMU one.
Southern Miss Alum Wrote:When Temple improves, it will be because of the "inferior" competition they're facing in the MAC, as opposed to the Big East. It won't matter that it's not true, but I'd be interested to start a pool as to which ESPN Gameday blowhard says it first.
I'm not sure it will be a problem.
First, I think Temple will get better, but slowly. I give 'em even odds against the also-rans in our league -- enough to demonstrate improvement, but not enough to get the attention of the ESPN talking heads, at least right away.
And if/when Temple improves to the point where ESPN airs them as part of a conference game -- well, I wouldn't expect ESPN commentators to insult their own product.
If any team in the MAC, CUSA, SB, or WAC, had to play Miami, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Boston College, West Virginia, and Pittsburgh every year for the last 15 years they would not have such a hot win/loss records either.
If Temple improves it will mean that Bobby Wallace is working somewhere else! The MAC is on the rise and I, for one, am glad to be here!
bronco67 Wrote:If any team in the MAC, CUSA, SB, or WAC, had to play Miami, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Boston College, West Virginia, and Pittsburgh every year for the last 15 years they would not have such a hot win/loss records either.
I believe, short term, that you're right. For the first couple of years of such scheduling, even the best teams in the MAC would have had less than 9-2, 10-1, 11-0 seasons. But after a few years of facing that kind of competition, coupled with the additional exposure and revenues associated with such a schedule, they would compete well and challenge for league titles.
Karl Wrote:bronco67 Wrote:If any team in the MAC, CUSA, SB, or WAC, had to play Miami, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Boston College, West Virginia, and Pittsburgh every year for the last 15 years they would not have such a hot win/loss records either.
I believe, short term, that you're right. For the first couple of years of such scheduling, even the best teams in the MAC would have had less than 9-2, 10-1, 11-0 seasons. But after a few years of facing that kind of competition, coupled with the additional exposure and revenues associated with such a schedule, they would compete well and challenge for league titles.
The best team in the MAC would have a "losing season". Not as you put it ..."less than 9-2, 10-1, 11-0 seasons". Toledo is the best team in the MAC. So now why don't you just list all of the games that Toledo has played the Big East along with the results. You can start with Boston College.
bronco67 Wrote:Karl Wrote:bronco67 Wrote:If any team in the MAC, CUSA, SB, or WAC, had to play Miami, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Boston College, West Virginia, and Pittsburgh every year for the last 15 years they would not have such a hot win/loss records either.
I believe, short term, that you're right. For the first couple of years of such scheduling, even the best teams in the MAC would have had less than 9-2, 10-1, 11-0 seasons. But after a few years of facing that kind of competition, coupled with the additional exposure and revenues associated with such a schedule, they would compete well and challenge for league titles.
The best team in the MAC would have a "losing season". Not as you put it ..."less than 9-2, 10-1, 11-0 seasons". Toledo is the best team in the MAC. So now why don't you just list all of the games that Toledo has played the Big East along with the results. You can start with Boston College.
Put Toledo in the Big East and playing schools like Boston College all the time and in a few years the Rockets would be a very good program. That is what Karl is saying.
As for the Rockets record against Big East teams since the 2001 season started:
2001
Toledo 33
Temple 6
2002
Pittsburgh 37
Toledo 19
Boston College 51
Toledo 25
2003
Toledo 35
Pittsburgh 31
2004
Toledo 45
Temple 17
Toledo is 3-2 against Big East teams since 2001. Last time I checked that is a winning record.
People are going to throw fruit at me for saying this but... I'd agree it'd be pretty difficult for even the best MAC schools to consistently play a Big East schedule with the degree of success. I'd say the best Toledo, BG, Miami, Marshall teams over the last 7 years would go 7-4 or 6-5 in the BE and 6-5 or 5-6 in Big 10.
Don't take me wrong, as a Wisconsin Alum I never ever want to play “most
Heck, against the best teams in the old Big East, Most Big 10 teams would have a losing record. Without a doubt!
[quote="UT Astrophysics"] Don't take me wrong, as a Wisconsin Alum I never ever want to play “most
Let's see how Temple did in 02' which was probably the best year of the old Big East.
Temple 02'
Miami 21-44 L
Syracuse 17-16 W
Virginia Tech 10-20 L
West Virginia 20-46 L
Pittsburgh 22-29 L
Rutgers 20-17 W
Boston College 14-36 L
Average score in Big East play: 18-30...average loss by 12 points in Big East play.
Folks, that isn't all that bad. It really isn't. The Big East that year was rated as one of the top conferences in the country.
[quote="Kit-Cat"] [quote="UT Astrophysics"] Don't take me wrong, as a Wisconsin Alum I never ever want to play “most
rocketfootball Wrote:As for the Rockets record against Big East teams since the 2001 season started:
2001
Toledo 33
Temple 6
2002
Pittsburgh 37
Toledo 19
Boston College 51
Toledo 25
2003
Toledo 35
Pittsburgh 31
2004
Toledo 45
Temple 17
Toledo is 3-2 against Big East teams since 2001. Last time I checked that is a winning record.
Last time I checked, Temple is no longer a member of the Big East -- but Connecticut is.
rocketfootball Wrote:bronco67 Wrote:Karl Wrote:bronco67 Wrote:If any team in the MAC, CUSA, SB, or WAC, had to play Miami, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Boston College, West Virginia, and Pittsburgh every year for the last 15 years they would not have such a hot win/loss records either.
I believe, short term, that you're right. For the first couple of years of such scheduling, even the best teams in the MAC would have had less than 9-2, 10-1, 11-0 seasons. But after a few years of facing that kind of competition, coupled with the additional exposure and revenues associated with such a schedule, they would compete well and challenge for league titles.
The best team in the MAC would have a "losing season". Not as you put it ..."less than 9-2, 10-1, 11-0 seasons". Toledo is the best team in the MAC. So now why don't you just list all of the games that Toledo has played the Big East along with the results. You can start with Boston College.
Put Toledo in the Big East and playing schools like Boston College all the time and in a few years the Rockets would be a very good program. That is what Karl is saying.
As for the Rockets record against Big East teams since the 2001 season started:
2001
Toledo 33
Temple 6
2002
Pittsburgh 37
Toledo 19
Boston College 51
Toledo 25
2003
Toledo 35
Pittsburgh 31
2004
Toledo 45
Temple 17
Toledo is 3-2 against Big East teams since 2001. Last time I checked that is a winning record.
Exclude Temple because we are letting Toledo walk a mile in Temple's shoes. Toledo is 1-2 against Pitt and Boston College and you haven’t played the best of the Big East like Temple has in Virginia Tech and Miami.
And by the way did you forget:
Did you forget 2004 Connecticut 39 Toledo 10
Did you forget 2003 Syracuse 34 Toledo 7
That makes Toledo 1-4 without every stepping on the field with Miami or Virginia Tech.
So now let's stop the bullsh!t and face reality. Toledo is the best of the MAC and they would not have come out smelling like a rose if they were in Temple’s shoes. You all don’t need to talk like Temple is a charity case. They will be just fine.
Schadenfreude Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:As for the Rockets record against Big East teams since the 2001 season started:
2001
Toledo 33
Temple 6
2002
Pittsburgh 37
Toledo 19
Boston College 51
Toledo 25
2003
Toledo 35
Pittsburgh 31
2004
Toledo 45
Temple 17
Toledo is 3-2 against Big East teams since 2001. Last time I checked that is a winning record.
Last time I checked, Temple is no longer a member of the Big East -- but Connecticut is.
Forgot about UCONN.....I tried to whipe that one from memory.
Anyway, I was talking about teams that were in the Big East at the time of the game. If you are talking about Big East teams now, then Temple and Boston College are both gone so the lost to BC in the MCB wouldn't count. Also, the win over Cincinnati in the MCB in 2001 would count.
With teams in the Big East at the time we played and remembering UCONN, Toledo is 3-3 since 2001 against Big East teams.
Going by current Big East teams, Toledo is 2-2 against the Big East (wins over Pittsburgh and Cincy and losses to UCONN and Pittsburgh).
bronco67 Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:bronco67 Wrote:Karl Wrote:bronco67 Wrote:If any team in the MAC, CUSA, SB, or WAC, had to play Miami, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Boston College, West Virginia, and Pittsburgh every year for the last 15 years they would not have such a hot win/loss records either.
I believe, short term, that you're right. For the first couple of years of such scheduling, even the best teams in the MAC would have had less than 9-2, 10-1, 11-0 seasons. But after a few years of facing that kind of competition, coupled with the additional exposure and revenues associated with such a schedule, they would compete well and challenge for league titles.
The best team in the MAC would have a "losing season". Not as you put it ..."less than 9-2, 10-1, 11-0 seasons". Toledo is the best team in the MAC. So now why don't you just list all of the games that Toledo has played the Big East along with the results. You can start with Boston College.
Put Toledo in the Big East and playing schools like Boston College all the time and in a few years the Rockets would be a very good program. That is what Karl is saying.
As for the Rockets record against Big East teams since the 2001 season started:
2001
Toledo 33
Temple 6
2002
Pittsburgh 37
Toledo 19
Boston College 51
Toledo 25
2003
Toledo 35
Pittsburgh 31
2004
Toledo 45
Temple 17
Toledo is 3-2 against Big East teams since 2001. Last time I checked that is a winning record.
Exclude Temple because we are letting Toledo walk a mile in Temple's shoes. Toledo is 1-2 against Pitt and Boston College and you haven’t played the best of the Big East like Temple has in Virginia Tech and Miami.
And by the way did you forget:
Did you forget 2004 Connecticut 39 Toledo 10
Did you forget 2003 Syracuse 34 Toledo 7
That makes Toledo 1-4 without every stepping on the field with Miami or Virginia Tech.
So now let's stop the bullsh!t and face reality. Toledo is the best of the MAC and they would not have come out smelling like a rose if they were in Temple’s shoes. You all don’t need to talk like Temple is a charity case. They will be just fine.
There are so many variables here. Forgot the Syracuse game.
So if we don't count Temple, which is similar to Rutgers, then do we count BC since they are not in the Big East anymore? Can you count Cincy since they are now even though they weren't at the time we played? To get an exact number is going to be tough here.
The fact of the matter is that I said that Toledo wouldn't walk in the Big East and dominate, but given a few years Toledo would be good in the Big East. That was my point and that was Karl's point. I also believe that Miami University, Bowling Green, Ohio University, Western Michigan, Northern Illinois, and Central Michigan are all capable of doing the same in the Big East within a few years of time. That is not bull**** either.