rocketfootball Wrote:With teams in the Big East at the time we played and remembering UCONN, Toledo is 3-3 since 2001 against Big East teams.
The corresponding figure for Bowling Green is 4-5 lifetime. All the wins were against Temple.
Quote:Going by current Big East teams, Toledo is 2-2 against the Big East (wins over Pittsburgh and Cincy and losses to UCONN and Pittsburgh).
Bowling Green is 6-5 lifetime against the 2005 edition: 2-0 against Syracuse and 4-0 against Cincinnati.
rocketfootball Wrote:bronco67 Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:bronco67 Wrote:Karl Wrote:bronco67 Wrote:If any team in the MAC, CUSA, SB, or WAC, had to play Miami, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Boston College, West Virginia, and Pittsburgh every year for the last 15 years they would not have such a hot win/loss records either.
I believe, short term, that you're right. For the first couple of years of such scheduling, even the best teams in the MAC would have had less than 9-2, 10-1, 11-0 seasons. But after a few years of facing that kind of competition, coupled with the additional exposure and revenues associated with such a schedule, they would compete well and challenge for league titles.
The best team in the MAC would have a "losing season". Not as you put it ..."less than 9-2, 10-1, 11-0 seasons". Toledo is the best team in the MAC. So now why don't you just list all of the games that Toledo has played the Big East along with the results. You can start with Boston College.
Put Toledo in the Big East and playing schools like Boston College all the time and in a few years the Rockets would be a very good program. That is what Karl is saying.
As for the Rockets record against Big East teams since the 2001 season started:
2001
Toledo 33
Temple 6
2002
Pittsburgh 37
Toledo 19
Boston College 51
Toledo 25
2003
Toledo 35
Pittsburgh 31
2004
Toledo 45
Temple 17
Toledo is 3-2 against Big East teams since 2001. Last time I checked that is a winning record.
Exclude Temple because we are letting Toledo walk a mile in Temple's shoes. Toledo is 1-2 against Pitt and Boston College and you haven’t played the best of the Big East like Temple has in Virginia Tech and Miami.
And by the way did you forget:
Did you forget 2004 Connecticut 39 Toledo 10
Did you forget 2003 Syracuse 34 Toledo 7
That makes Toledo 1-4 without every stepping on the field with Miami or Virginia Tech.
So now let's stop the bullsh!t and face reality. Toledo is the best of the MAC and they would not have come out smelling like a rose if they were in Temple’s shoes. You all don’t need to talk like Temple is a charity case. They will be just fine.
There are so many variables here. Forgot the Syracuse game.
So if we don't count Temple, which is similar to Rutgers, then do we count BC since they are not in the Big East anymore? Can you count Cincy since they are now even though they weren't at the time we played? To get an exact number is going to be tough here.
The fact of the matter is that I said that Toledo wouldn't walk in the Big East and dominate, but given a few years Toledo would be good in the Big East. That was my point and that was Karl's point. I also believe that Miami University, Bowling Green, Ohio University, Western Michigan, Northern Illinois, and Central Michigan are all capable of doing the same in the Big East within a few years of time. That is not bull**** either.
"So if we don't count Temple, which is similar to Rutgers, then do we count BC since they are not in the Big East anymore? Can you count Cincy since they are now even though they weren't at the time we played? To get an exact number is going to be tough here."
Why don't you just count the teams that Temple has been playing for the last 10 years. It won't look pretty.
Schadenfreude Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:With teams in the Big East at the time we played and remembering UCONN, Toledo is 3-3 since 2001 against Big East teams.
The corresponding figure for Bowling Green is 4-5 lifetime. All the wins were against Temple.
Quote:Going by current Big East teams, Toledo is 2-2 against the Big East (wins over Pittsburgh and Cincy and losses to UCONN and Pittsburgh).
Bowling Green is 6-5 lifetime against the 2005 edition: 2-0 against Syracuse and 4-0 against Cincinnati.
Unfortunately those wins against Syracuse were in 1973 and 1976. I would love to see BG play Syracuse next season. If the game would be played in BG it would be an easy win for Bowling Green. I won't say anything about playing at the Carrier Dome because you never know......especially the way that Syracuse tends to play at home.
bronco67 Wrote:"So if we don't count Temple, which is similar to Rutgers, then do we count BC since they are not in the Big East anymore? Can you count Cincy since they are now even though they weren't at the time we played? To get an exact number is going to be tough here."
Why don't you just count the teams that Temple has been playing for the last 10 years. It won't look pretty.
That won't be ugly. Here are Toledo records in the last 10 years against common opponents of what Temple played in the past 10 years:
Pittsburgh - Toledo is 1-1 while Temple is 3-7
Bowling Green - Toledo is 7-3 while Temple is 1-4
UCONN - Toledo is 0-1 while Temple is 2-1
Syracuse - Toledo is 0-2 while Temple is 2-8
Boston College - Toledo is 0-1 while Temple is 2-8
Penn State - Toledo is 1-0 while Temple is 0-4
Cincinnati - Toledo is 2-0 while Temple is 0-2
Navy - Toledo is 2-0 while Temple is 2-1
Eastern Michigan - Toledo is 8-2 while Temple is 2-0
Akron - Toledo is 4-0 while Temple is 0-2
Marshall - Toledo is 3-4 while Temple is 0-1
Western Michigan - Toledo is 9-1 while Temple is 0-1
Adding these numbers up, Toledo is 37-15 while Temple is 14-39 against common opponents in the last 10 years.
However, this is not the point. The point is that many MAC schools, yes including Toledo, would do better in the Big East within a few years of being in that conference.
To be correct, Toledo is 2-1 vs, Navy.
2001/10/27 Toledo 21 - Navy 20 W
2000/10/28 Toledo 35 - Navy 14 W
1990/11/10 Toledo 10 - Navy 14 L
-Dan
Photodan Wrote:To be correct, Toledo is 2-1 vs, Navy.
2001/10/27 Toledo 21 - Navy 20 W
2000/10/28 Toledo 35 - Navy 14 W
1990/11/10 Toledo 10 - Navy 14 L
-Dan
Dan, we were talking about the last 10 years. The loss was in 1990, well past the 10 year mark. :D
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rocketfootball Wrote:Photodan Wrote:To be correct, Toledo is 2-1 vs, Navy.
2001/10/27 Toledo 21 - Navy 20 W
2000/10/28 Toledo 35 - Navy 14 W
1990/11/10 Toledo 10 - Navy 14 L
-Dan
Dan, we were talking about the last 10 years. The loss was in 1990, well past the 10 year mark. :D
Oops, must have gotten confused with all the statistics flying around. I still say that for the money we paid them to play here, they could at least have let us win.
-Dan
Photodan Wrote:rocketfootball Wrote:Photodan Wrote:To be correct, Toledo is 2-1 vs, Navy.
2001/10/27 Toledo 21 - Navy 20 W
2000/10/28 Toledo 35 - Navy 14 W
1990/11/10 Toledo 10 - Navy 14 L
-Dan
Dan, we were talking about the last 10 years. The loss was in 1990, well past the 10 year mark. :D
Oops, must have gotten confused with all the statistics flying around. I still say that for the money we paid them to play here, they could at least have let us win.
-Dan
Yeah, we needed to win that game. That was the year Nick Sabin was the coach. We were 8-1 (lost by 1 point at CMU) and a win over Navy could have propelled us into the Top 25 and possibly a bowl game. The 1 point loss at CMU cost us the MAC's bowl tie-in as we finished tied with CMU for the MAC title but they went by virtue of their win over us. Beating Navy that year would have been nice, even though Navy won just 5 games that year.
I just got to say one thing "God bless the MAC"
Who in gods name would play for Temple when the rest of the big east was recruiting the same kids. All they had to say is Temple doesn;t even know if they will have a program. That right there has hurt us the last few years.
Give us a clean slate and give us our fair shot.
The big east did everything to hurt us and the A-10 just expected us to be there.
We need some love and we will love you back...
I'll be dead center 50 yard line in the front row for every game. I have sat through the worst and all i can hope for is the best.
Here's to the new MAC!
and as I always toast... "here's to us, none like us, damn the rest!"
I've seen many bad games at the Linc, Veterans Stadium, and Franklin Field. Its time for OWLS to turn around the program. Go Owls!