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RE: Cincinnati at Indiana State
(03-27-2024 08:39 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Crossed my mind last night. Better freshman PG: Jizzle or Devan Downey?

As a freshman definitely Devan Downey.
 
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(03-26-2024 11:10 PM)UCBearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  A lot to build on if the core stays. Successful in the sense that they learned a lot about themselves and what it takes to win. This thing could have gone in the dumpster many times this year but they found six wins in their last nine games vs really good competition.

It’s a big off season for Wes, he needs to learn and grow as much as the players do. It’s starts with recruiting his own roster and then finding the right guys in the portal. Scheduling needs to improve. Last but not least this program has to do a better job of understanding the fan frustration of losing to Xavier every year and find a way to get that game next season.

Goals for next year.
1. Beat Xavier
2. Make the NCAA tournament and advance in the tournament.

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1. Win at least two resume building non-conference games.
2. Finish with a winning record in the Big XII
3. Advance to the semifinals or better in the Big XII tournament.
4. Finish the year in the AP top 25.

Yep, I'm in lock-step on these goals too.
 
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(03-27-2024 08:39 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Crossed my mind last night. Better freshman PG: Jizzle or Devan Downey?

I think Downey because he was a pretty great defender early on, despite his size... but it's a good comp. I think Jizzle is going to make an enormous leap next year because he is already a very good one on one defender. Once he figures out how to handle screens all that talent will shine through on that end.
 
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Jizzle v. Downey is not a fair comparison.

Downey started the entire year. Jizzle started two games and was fabulous in both.
 
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(03-27-2024 09:45 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  Jizzle v. Downey is not a fair comparison.

Downey started the entire year. Jizzle started two games and was fabulous in both.

He was fabulous on offense but still struggled a lot on defense. Indiana State targeted him on that end.

Not a knock on him. I think his defense is better than he got credit for by many, but teams understood he really struggled defending screens and used that to their benefit. Downey was such a great defender from day 1.

I think Jizzle's size gives him a long term advantage (though Downey had a hell of a college career).
 
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Downey had to play quite a bit because that team had no depth after the Huggs firing. Shooting percentage wise they were pretty close but Downey didn't have a Day Day to compete with. I don't really have a strong opinion either way. Recency bias almost makes me want to say James but Downey was awesome and ended up being a 2,000 point scorer. The comparision to me is just that you feel like having that lead guard gives you a chance to be a championship team. Hoping Jizzle is the PG on the team that ends a way too long final 4 drought.
 
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Not a shot at Day Day, but Jizzle has the secret sauce. He makes mistakes but his play is often electrifying and I have to believe that energizes the entire team. He's a guy UC has desperately needed in recent years because he can prevent those deadly scoring droughts by going and getting that bucket--at the goal, mid-range, and occasionally from the 3 point line. And we all believe he'll only get better. He must start and be on the floor most all the time.

In terms of the roster, none of us really know what next season holds. Are there still "big man" camps or one-on-one coaches who can work with a player like Aziz in the offseason? He still has lots of upside potential with his size and athleticism but will need to improve other aspects of his game to take this team further.

Are either of "the Tylers" ready now to step in and give minutes? Where will Rayvon find his minutes in this rotation? Will Dan make another giant leap in his game we all hope to see?

Like everyone on this thread, I hated the loss. But by so many measures this team made a giant step forward from the year before. I trust Wes to take it up another step beginning in November.

Finally, I agree with making the NCAA Tourney next season as the critical element of progression in the rebuild. Beating X? For me, that's not so important in the big picture. I despise them as much as anyone here but if UC picks up some wins against Kansas, Baylor, or Houston and dances again, a December loss to a low to mid-tier Big East team will be old news and considered an anomaly by Selection Sunday.
 
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(03-27-2024 10:17 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Finally, I agree with making the NCAA Tourney next season as the critical element of progression in the rebuild. Beating X? For me, that's not so important in the big picture. I despise them as much as anyone here but if UC picks up some wins against Kansas, Baylor, or Houston and dances again, a December loss to a low to mid-tier Big East team will be old news and considered an anomaly by Selection Sunday.

Yeah, beating X is not in my Top 5 of goals for next year. I only care about beating X because it shuts people up for a year, not because it is any great goal by itself.
 
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(03-27-2024 10:17 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Finally, I agree with making the NCAA Tourney next season as the critical element of progression in the rebuild. Beating X? For me, that's not so important in the big picture. I despise them as much as anyone here but if UC picks up some wins against Kansas, Baylor, or Houston and dances again, a December loss to a low to mid-tier Big East team will be old news and considered an anomaly by Selection Sunday.

Agree, we all are sick of losing to X. But nonconference basketball is to prepare yourself to contend in conference play; I'm much more concerned about being a top 5 B12 team and being a Sweet 16 team next season than I am in one random December nonconference game.
 
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(03-27-2024 10:24 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(03-27-2024 10:17 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Finally, I agree with making the NCAA Tourney next season as the critical element of progression in the rebuild. Beating X? For me, that's not so important in the big picture. I despise them as much as anyone here but if UC picks up some wins against Kansas, Baylor, or Houston and dances again, a December loss to a low to mid-tier Big East team will be old news and considered an anomaly by Selection Sunday.

Yeah, beating X is not in my Top 5 of goals for next year. I only care about beating X because it shuts people up for a year, not because it is any great goal by itself.

Winning meaningful games should be in everyone's Top 5
 
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(03-27-2024 10:26 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  
(03-27-2024 10:24 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(03-27-2024 10:17 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Finally, I agree with making the NCAA Tourney next season as the critical element of progression in the rebuild. Beating X? For me, that's not so important in the big picture. I despise them as much as anyone here but if UC picks up some wins against Kansas, Baylor, or Houston and dances again, a December loss to a low to mid-tier Big East team will be old news and considered an anomaly by Selection Sunday.

Yeah, beating X is not in my Top 5 of goals for next year. I only care about beating X because it shuts people up for a year, not because it is any great goal by itself.

Winning meaningful games should be in everyone's Top 5

But X is no more meaningful than Kansas, Iowa State, Houston, BYU ,etc.
 
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(03-27-2024 10:30 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(03-27-2024 10:26 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  Winning meaningful games should be in everyone's Top 5
But X is no more meaningful than Kansas, Iowa State, Houston, BYU ,etc.
Winning meaningful games in February and March is the key though. The best way to do that especially with some good talent coming back is to challenge yourself in November/December but those games matter less than winning conference games.
 
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Does anyone else think that Jizzle needs to improve in bringing his teammates in to the offensive flow more?
I saw someone else mention that Dan’s game suffered due to Jizzle.
I agree with that.
Too much dribbling.
Too much one-on-one to the exclusion of the rest of the Bearcats on the floor.
Jizzle clearly has a ton of upsides, but these areas need some attention.
 
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(03-27-2024 10:30 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(03-27-2024 10:26 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  
(03-27-2024 10:24 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(03-27-2024 10:17 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Finally, I agree with making the NCAA Tourney next season as the critical element of progression in the rebuild. Beating X? For me, that's not so important in the big picture. I despise them as much as anyone here but if UC picks up some wins against Kansas, Baylor, or Houston and dances again, a December loss to a low to mid-tier Big East team will be old news and considered an anomaly by Selection Sunday.

Yeah, beating X is not in my Top 5 of goals for next year. I only care about beating X because it shuts people up for a year, not because it is any great goal by itself.

Winning meaningful games should be in everyone's Top 5

But X is no more meaningful than Kansas, Iowa State, Houston, BYU ,etc.


But it is. You don’t want UC to be the Number 2 program in its own city.
 
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(03-27-2024 12:05 PM)namrag Wrote:  Does anyone else think that Jizzle needs to improve in bringing his teammates in to the offensive flow more?
I saw someone else mention that Dan’s game suffered due to Jizzle.
I agree with that.
Too much dribbling.
Too much one-on-one to the exclusion of the rest of the Bearcats on the floor.
Jizzle clearly has a ton of upsides, but these areas need some attention.

Bolded, I agree that's a fair assessment. I remember at least once last night where he brought the ball up, dribbled it outside the arc, stepped in for a missed mid-range shot and ISU rebounded the ball after no other Bearcat had touched it the entire possession.

All said, that seems correctable, especially for a freshman thrust into the starting role following Thomas's injury.
 
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(03-27-2024 12:20 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  
(03-27-2024 10:30 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(03-27-2024 10:26 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  
(03-27-2024 10:24 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(03-27-2024 10:17 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  Finally, I agree with making the NCAA Tourney next season as the critical element of progression in the rebuild. Beating X? For me, that's not so important in the big picture. I despise them as much as anyone here but if UC picks up some wins against Kansas, Baylor, or Houston and dances again, a December loss to a low to mid-tier Big East team will be old news and considered an anomaly by Selection Sunday.

Yeah, beating X is not in my Top 5 of goals for next year. I only care about beating X because it shuts people up for a year, not because it is any great goal by itself.

Winning meaningful games should be in everyone's Top 5

But X is no more meaningful than Kansas, Iowa State, Houston, BYU ,etc.


But it is. You don’t want UC to be the Number 2 program in its own city.

Not to me. I don't live in that city.
 
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(03-26-2024 10:20 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  One of the most absurdly officiated games I’ve ever seen. UC was the clear bigger, strong we team who took the ball into the lane more gets out shot from the free throw line by 9 lol
I know but did we drive it into the teeth of their defense and force the refs hands? Not very often. Color guy Fran was right on saying that since they missed the last call (Aziz pushed in back and Wes’ technical), we need to take it all the way in unless we have a wide open three. We still kept settling for jump shots. No surprise. Even at the end of the game we go all the way in shoot a baseline jumper.

I’m aware of the no call where Avila went “straight up”. That was the exception.

I think Jamille May have been able to get them in some foul trouble. Or Vic. Good post earlier by someone that Aziz was not the best option. Obviously we needed him out there but I would say 8 min less. This is all in general . I’m aware of Jamille’s bad D. I also wonder what has happened to Vic!

Overall I felt the team surprisingly played better at the end of the season. I didn’t think there would be much improvement but I thought in someways they played better and even coached better.

I think InSt was a tough matchup, but probably game planning was lacking here. Aziz was not the right guy.

Roster make up and Minutes for next year are going to be very interesting. Jizzle knows how to create space and score but I feel like he’s so ball dominant that it really hurts Skillings. I think Skilling’s biggest problem yesterday was that he didnt have a chance to touch the ball enough. Besides a few lobs to Aziz and plays for Simas it is mostly 1 on 5 With jizzle. And with a skilled team like Indiana state you can’t overcome it. Obviously we need better defense etc. We went under the screen several times and that really cost us the game.

For people that act like there’s gonna be so many departures I disagree. Wes is trying to build something. They seem to like him and hopefully people accept their roles and stay. Before two weeks ago I would’ve been positive Vic and Jamille were staying but now I’m not soo sure. But you keep Day Day and the other players because it’s just dumb to keep recycling players. That would waste Day Day’s whole year of learning. Next year is when we get the fruits of our labor.

What do you all think we will do?? Start both Day and Jizzle? Play Jizzle at the 2? His shooting percentage is good so I like him shooting a lot but Skillings needs the ball too. And we have to have some low post game. We have to play as a unit. All five players need to complement each other so they put pressure on the defense and maximizing our ability to win.
 
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Shout Out to Devan Downey!!
 
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(03-27-2024 05:54 PM)Loco Bearcat Wrote:  Shout Out to Devan Downey!!

At the time bringing in Mick as the new coach was definitely the right move long term. But if Devan had been a Bearcat for his complete career by keeping Andy Kennedy as coach in the short run it might have been a fun four years.
 
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RE: Cincinnati at Indiana State
(03-27-2024 12:57 PM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(03-27-2024 12:20 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  
(03-27-2024 10:30 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
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(03-27-2024 10:24 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  Yeah, beating X is not in my Top 5 of goals for next year. I only care about beating X because it shuts people up for a year, not because it is any great goal by itself.

Winning meaningful games should be in everyone's Top 5

But X is no more meaningful than Kansas, Iowa State, Houston, BYU ,etc.


But it is. You don’t want UC to be the Number 2 program in its own city.

Not to me. I don't live in that city.

All the Who Cares About X stuff is cope because they've beaten us so frequently. It's a great rivalry in a sport that's losing them. We play them at home and haven't won in 5 years. Gotta win it.
 
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