(03-21-2024 02:45 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 01:52 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 01:25 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  EDIT: Sounds to me like Miami isn't hearing good things from their SEC and Big Ten contacts about whether they'd get an invite.

Source?

Purely my reaction to the headline.

Miami woudn't be saying what they're saying on background if they were 100% confident they have a P2 spot waiting.

Just MO.

More my opinion: if the numerologists are right, and 20 is a magic number, then Miami is on the bubble for a Big Ten/SEC invite. Florida STate, Clemson and Notre Dame are locks, North Carolina seems confident, and then two of Miami, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech make 6.

Then the Big 12 takes their 4, but moving from a M2 ACC to a M1 Big 12 is not a win for Da U.

How many times do we go back and forth on this (all of us, not you and me). If 6 ACC schools are P2-ready, then why is the Conference splitting up at all? The SEC and B1G have, what, 8-10 each that would get invites today if they weren't already in?

SEC:
Alabama
Georgia
Tennessee
LSU
Florida
Auburn
A&M
OU
Texas
Kentucky?

B1G:
tOSU
Michigan
PSU
Wisconsin
USC
Washington
Oregon
Nebraska
Iowa?
Michigan St?

There are 4 schools that can be confident of a P2 future:

ND, UNC, FSU and Clemson. EVERYONE else is crossing their fingers and hoping for a very large P2 expansion, with Miami at the top of the heap on the "maybe they'd make a good +1" category, Kansas and Duke in the "basketball is more important than ever" list and VT on the "good geography, good cultural fit, and 66k fans every week can't be wrong" list. But all of those lists are conditional on things breaking their way, and there's a decent chance that, if any of them do get their break, it will be a few years, perhaps a decade or more down the road. We can leave them all stashed in the ACC, Big 12, or whatever they decide to call their Conference unless and until things change and we send them the callup.

(03-21-2024 03:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Interesting words from Coral Gables. This either means the side channel dialogues going on aren’t optimistic on a P2 home for Miami or they are and Miami is just isn’t going to let on that they are sitting on an invite.

Notre Dame has been quiet lately too. This could mean a couple things too. South Bend also hasn’t been vocally pro-ACC either.

What is evident is that two of the ACC’s biggest brands and strongest football programs are probably gone and this is going to have a negative impact on Notre Dame’s quality of schedule.

Who is not talking is just as revealing as who is.

That Virginia is rumored to be trying to counter organize against movement is also very interesting. ESPN may want them in the SEC and they may want otherwise and either way they want to keep Va Tech with them (which could be the issue to the Big 10) or they truly want to keep a viable ACC.

In a life and death struggle silent observers have more than a rooting interest. You have those who stop a struggle and those who jump into it, but the ones who don't and say nothing absolutely have an interest and a reason to stay out of the fight.

This is the first I’ve heard of UVA being the ring leader of the opposition. I know a lot of folks like to put UVA in the Big 10 in their realignment plans but in reality the only big market with a lot of UVA grads is DC and the Big 10 already covers that with Maryland. They really only fit in as a bridge to UNC. UVA may only have the SEC as an option but if they are fighting to keep the ACC whole, then maybe they aren’t in conversations with the SEC as a UNC companion.

(03-21-2024 03:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Interesting words from Coral Gables. This either means the side channel dialogues going on aren’t optimistic on a P2 home for Miami or they are and Miami is just isn’t going to let on that they are sitting on an invite.

Notre Dame has been quiet lately too. This could mean a couple things too. South Bend also hasn’t been vocally pro-ACC either.

What is evident is that two of the ACC’s biggest brands and strongest football programs are probably gone and this is going to have a negative impact on Notre Dame’s quality of schedule.

Who is not talking is just as revealing as who is.

That Virginia is rumored to be trying to counter organize against movement is also very interesting. ESPN may want them in the SEC and they may want otherwise and either way they want to keep Va Tech with them (which could be the issue to the Big 10) or they truly want to keep a viable ACC.

In a life and death struggle silent observers have more than a rooting interest. You have those who stop a struggle and those who jump into it, but the ones who don't and say nothing absolutely have an interest and a reason to stay out of the fight.

Or, more likely, the P2 are uninterested in UVA at all, at least for now. They might be a flagship, but they're a far cry from UNC-level. Smaller state, slightly weaker Academics, overshadowed in their own State by Virginia Tech (which is a better SEC Cultural fit to boot), far weaker Athletics.

(03-21-2024 03:33 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Interesting words from Coral Gables. This either means the side channel dialogues going on aren’t optimistic on a P2 home for Miami or they are and Miami is just isn’t going to let on that they are sitting on an invite.

Notre Dame has been quiet lately too. This could mean a couple things too. South Bend also hasn’t been vocally pro-ACC either.

What is evident is that two of the ACC’s biggest brands and strongest football programs are probably gone and this is going to have a negative impact on Notre Dame’s quality of schedule.

Who is not talking is just as revealing as who is.

That Virginia is rumored to be trying to counter organize against movement is also very interesting. ESPN may want them in the SEC and they may want otherwise and either way they want to keep Va Tech with them (which could be the issue to the Big 10) or they truly want to keep a viable ACC.

In a life and death struggle silent observers have more than a rooting interest. You have those who stop a struggle and those who jump into it, but the ones who don't and say nothing absolutely have an interest and a reason to stay out of the fight.

This is the first I’ve heard of UVA being the ring leader of the opposition. I know a lot of folks like to put UVA in the Big 10 in their realignment plans but in reality the only big market with a lot of UVA grads is DC and the Big 10 already covers that with Maryland. They really only fit in as a bridge to UNC. UVA may only have the SEC as an option but if they are fighting to keep the ACC whole, then maybe they aren’t in conversations with the SEC as a UNC companion.

Let's assume that FSU and Clemson are in the P2, then that leaves UNC and ND. ND can stay in the ACC if a couple schools leave and collect exit fees, maybe schedule an extra SEC or B1G series every year to make up for the loss of FSU and Clemson...they'll be ok. So, now it becomes UNC, which may or may not need some time to sort out what the difference is between a BoR and BoG, and why that gosh danged BoG and it's NC St fans won't let them leave for now.

What I think happens is:

FSU, Clemson: Gonzo asap
ND: staying
UNC: in limbo for a while. a month? A year? Several years? I don't know
Miami: stuck waiting on UNC's decision, hoping to be the +1
VT: hoping their culture and geography get them in over Miami's bigger brand as the +1
NC St: hoping their political influence gets them in as UNC's +1
UVA: hoping that the P2 no longer care about money and prefer an East Coast Academic powerhouse instead of Cal or Stanford for the B1G (yeah, right) or instead of Louisville or GT for the SEC (yeah, right)

I don't blame UVA. They're somewhere in the 7th-10th place at this Rose Ceremony, and there are probably only 2-4 roses to go around.

(03-21-2024 12:41 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  "Despite our numerous phone calls, and even our University President holding a boom box outside of Greg Sankey's window, the SEC and Big Ten have not indicated a desire to add the University of Miami. [...]"

"But we've added BY to our speed dial, and put chocolates and flowers in our Amazon cart to send his way, with same-day delivery, should things go PAC-boom suddenly."

(03-21-2024 03:33 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Interesting words from Coral Gables. This either means the side channel dialogues going on aren’t optimistic on a P2 home for Miami or they are and Miami is just isn’t going to let on that they are sitting on an invite.

Notre Dame has been quiet lately too. This could mean a couple things too. South Bend also hasn’t been vocally pro-ACC either.

What is evident is that two of the ACC’s biggest brands and strongest football programs are probably gone and this is going to have a negative impact on Notre Dame’s quality of schedule.

Who is not talking is just as revealing as who is.

That Virginia is rumored to be trying to counter organize against movement is also very interesting. ESPN may want them in the SEC and they may want otherwise and either way they want to keep Va Tech with them (which could be the issue to the Big 10) or they truly want to keep a viable ACC.

In a life and death struggle silent observers have more than a rooting interest. You have those who stop a struggle and those who jump into it, but the ones who don't and say nothing absolutely have an interest and a reason to stay out of the fight.

This is the first I’ve heard of UVA being the ring leader of the opposition. I know a lot of folks like to put UVA in the Big 10 in their realignment plans but in reality the only big market with a lot of UVA grads is DC and the Big 10 already covers that with Maryland. They really only fit in as a bridge to UNC. UVA may only have the SEC as an option but if they are fighting to keep the ACC whole, then maybe they aren’t in conversations with the SEC as a UNC companion.

UVA and Duke make a lot of sense for the Big 10.

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(03-21-2024 03:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Interesting words from Coral Gables. This either means the side channel dialogues going on aren’t optimistic on a P2 home for Miami or they are and Miami is just isn’t going to let on that they are sitting on an invite.

Notre Dame has been quiet lately too. This could mean a couple things too. South Bend also hasn’t been vocally pro-ACC either.

What is evident is that two of the ACC’s biggest brands and strongest football programs are probably gone and this is going to have a negative impact on Notre Dame’s quality of schedule.

I don't think that you can infer much of anything from that.

The new AD (Jack Swarbrick is gone) may want to get used to the new job before he makes any statements.

Also, silence is not evidence of anything at all. Ever see a party introduce silence as an Exhibit at a trial?

I know you want ND in the Big Ten but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

I guess scheduling is the new Doomsday Event for ND independence since the BCS, 4 team playoff, 4 x 16, a champs only playoff, playoff expansion, etc...etc....came up short the past thirty years as the Doomsday Event du Jour.

NCAABBS in a nutshell:

Somebody makes a definitive statement, “oh no, not true. Undercover messages.”


Somebody says something vague: “OOHHHHHMERGEEEEERD THEY GONE!!!!!”

Miami and Notre Dame in the ACC

K-I-S-S-I-N-G!

(03-21-2024 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Interesting words from Coral Gables. This either means the side channel dialogues going on aren’t optimistic on a P2 home for Miami or they are and Miami is just isn’t going to let on that they are sitting on an invite.

Notre Dame has been quiet lately too. This could mean a couple things too. South Bend also hasn’t been vocally pro-ACC either.

What is evident is that two of the ACC’s biggest brands and strongest football programs are probably gone and this is going to have a negative impact on Notre Dame’s quality of schedule.

Notre Dame is always quiet. Not many leaks in that ship, ever.

I don't think that you can infer much of anything from that.

The new AD (Jack Swarbrick is gone) may want to get used to the new job before he makes any statements.

Also, silence is not evidence of anything at all. Ever see a party introduce silence as an Exhibit at a trial?

I know you want ND in the Big Ten but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

I guess scheduling is the new Doomsday Event for ND independence since the BCS, 4 team playoff, 4 x 16, a champs only playoff, playoff expansion, etc...etc....came up short the past thirty years as the Doomsday Event du Jour.

Well you have an unfair advantage Terry D. Your President and another Conference's commissioner can meet in the confessional and the Priest can listen, and nobody can subpoena the evidence, or bug the session.

(03-21-2024 03:46 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 12:41 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  "Despite our numerous phone calls, and even our University President holding a boom box outside of Greg Sankey's window, the SEC and Big Ten have not indicated a desire to add the University of Miami. [...]"

"But we've added BY to our speed dial, and put chocolates and flowers in our Amazon cart to send his way, with same-day delivery, should things go PAC-boom suddenly."

Lol! If you thought Utah and Arizona State were “vocally reluctant” to joining the nBig 12, can you imagine the fit from Miami?

Pretty sure there are no Hershey kisses being shipped from Coral Gables to the office of the nBig 12 commissioner.

If Miami’s plan D scenario of landing in the nBig 12 did happen, it would not be some joyous moment. More like a moody teenager with earphones walking straight past step-dad Yormark to his room and shutting the door. Sebastian isn’t coming down for dinner.

(03-21-2024 04:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Interesting words from Coral Gables. This either means the side channel dialogues going on aren’t optimistic on a P2 home for Miami or they are and Miami is just isn’t going to let on that they are sitting on an invite.

Notre Dame has been quiet lately too. This could mean a couple things too. South Bend also hasn’t been vocally pro-ACC either.

What is evident is that two of the ACC’s biggest brands and strongest football programs are probably gone and this is going to have a negative impact on Notre Dame’s quality of schedule.

Notre Dame is always quiet. Not many leaks in that ship, ever.

I don't think that you can infer much of anything from that.

The new AD (Jack Swarbrick is gone) may want to get used to the new job before he makes any statements.

Also, silence is not evidence of anything at all. Ever see a party introduce silence as an Exhibit at a trial?

I know you want ND in the Big Ten but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

I guess scheduling is the new Doomsday Event for ND independence since the BCS, 4 team playoff, 4 x 16, a champs only playoff, playoff expansion, etc...etc....came up short the past thirty years as the Doomsday Event du Jour.

Well you have an unfair advantage Terry D. Your President and another Conference's commissioner can meet in the confessional and the Priest can listen, and nobody can subpoena the evidence, or bug the session.

Amen, JR. Amen.

Are both penitents or just one party?

(03-21-2024 04:12 PM)BruinNation Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:46 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 12:41 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  "Despite our numerous phone calls, and even our University President holding a boom box outside of Greg Sankey's window, the SEC and Big Ten have not indicated a desire to add the University of Miami. [...]"

"But we've added BY to our speed dial, and put chocolates and flowers in our Amazon cart to send his way, with same-day delivery, should things go PAC-boom suddenly."

Lol! If you thought Utah and Arizona State were “vocally reluctant” to joining the nBig 12, can you imagine the fit from Miami?

Pretty sure there are no Hershey kisses being shipped from Coral Gables to the office of the nBig 12 commissioner.

If Miami’s plan D scenario of landing in the bBig 12 did happen, it would not be some joyous moment. More like a moody teenager with earphones walking straight past step-dad Yormark to his room and shutting the door. Sebastian isn’t coming down for dinner.

Sorta like what would occur if ND was ever forced into the Big Ten.

(03-21-2024 04:14 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 04:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:59 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Interesting words from Coral Gables. This either means the side channel dialogues going on aren’t optimistic on a P2 home for Miami or they are and Miami is just isn’t going to let on that they are sitting on an invite.

Notre Dame has been quiet lately too. This could mean a couple things too. South Bend also hasn’t been vocally pro-ACC either.

What is evident is that two of the ACC’s biggest brands and strongest football programs are probably gone and this is going to have a negative impact on Notre Dame’s quality of schedule.

Notre Dame is always quiet. Not many leaks in that ship, ever.

I don't think that you can infer much of anything from that.

The new AD (Jack Swarbrick is gone) may want to get used to the new job before he makes any statements.

Also, silence is not evidence of anything at all. Ever see a party introduce silence as an Exhibit at a trial?

I know you want ND in the Big Ten but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.

I guess scheduling is the new Doomsday Event for ND independence since the BCS, 4 team playoff, 4 x 16, a champs only playoff, playoff expansion, etc...etc....came up short the past thirty years as the Doomsday Event du Jour.

Well you have an unfair advantage Terry D. Your President and another Conference's commissioner can meet in the confessional and the Priest can listen, and nobody can subpoena the evidence, or bug the session.

Amen, JR. Amen.

Are both penitents or just one party?

That depends. Have they had consensual relations already or are they just thinking about it. If the former, it's two penitents. If one has been propositioned and has not yet replied but is seriously thinking about it, then one is soliciting and is a penitent having intended to sin, the other is merely tempted and needs some Our Fathers and a few Hail Mary's and is covered by a general Act of Contrition.

(03-21-2024 03:41 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:33 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:15 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:01 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Interesting words from Coral Gables. This either means the side channel dialogues going on aren’t optimistic on a P2 home for Miami or they are and Miami is just isn’t going to let on that they are sitting on an invite.

Notre Dame has been quiet lately too. This could mean a couple things too. South Bend also hasn’t been vocally pro-ACC either.

What is evident is that two of the ACC’s biggest brands and strongest football programs are probably gone and this is going to have a negative impact on Notre Dame’s quality of schedule.

Who is not talking is just as revealing as who is.

That Virginia is rumored to be trying to counter organize against movement is also very interesting. ESPN may want them in the SEC and they may want otherwise and either way they want to keep Va Tech with them (which could be the issue to the Big 10) or they truly want to keep a viable ACC.

In a life and death struggle silent observers have more than a rooting interest. You have those who stop a struggle and those who jump into it, but the ones who don't and say nothing absolutely have an interest and a reason to stay out of the fight.

This is the first I’ve heard of UVA being the ring leader of the opposition. I know a lot of folks like to put UVA in the Big 10 in their realignment plans but in reality the only big market with a lot of UVA grads is DC and the Big 10 already covers that with Maryland. They really only fit in as a bridge to UNC. UVA may only have the SEC as an option but if they are fighting to keep the ACC whole, then maybe they aren’t in conversations with the SEC as a UNC companion.

Let's assume that FSU and Clemson are in the P2, then that leaves UNC and ND. ND can stay in the ACC if a couple schools leave and collect exit fees, maybe schedule an extra SEC or B1G series every year to make up for the loss of FSU and Clemson...they'll be ok. So, now it becomes UNC, which may or may not need some time to sort out what the difference is between a BoR and BoG, and why that gosh danged BoG and it's NC St fans won't let them leave for now.

What I think happens is:

FSU, Clemson: Gonzo asap
ND: staying
UNC: in limbo for a while. a month? A year? Several years? I don't know
Miami: stuck waiting on UNC's decision, hoping to be the +1
VT: hoping their culture and geography get them in over Miami's bigger brand as the +1
NC St: hoping their political influence gets them in as UNC's +1
UVA: hoping that the P2 no longer care about money and prefer an East Coast Academic powerhouse instead of Cal or Stanford for the B1G (yeah, right) or instead of Louisville or GT for the SEC (yeah, right)

I don't blame UVA. They're somewhere in the 7th-10th place at this Rose Ceremony, and there are probably only 2-4 roses to go around.

I think that a ND/LSU home/home series would draw a couple of viewers.

The return of Brian Kelly to Notre Dame Stadium might be fun. That would need to be the first game of the series.


P.S. I joked a few months ago on the ACC board that ND might end up the last ACC member, collecting exit fees from....everyone.

ND playing MAC schools, ACC not hurting their sch without FSU & Clemson

(03-21-2024 04:31 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  ND playing MAC schools, ACC not hurting their sch without FSU & Clemson

Here are ND's schedules from 2024-2037.

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/notre-dame/


I have highlighted all of the MAC schools on there.

I didn't see any after this season, although I concede that there are slots where they could be added.

I think that may become a one off, thing of the past going forward with the new AD (former NBC Sports executive) who took over this month.




2024

08/31 - at Texas A&M
09/07 - Northern Illinois
09/14 - at Purdue
09/21 - Miami (Ohio)
09/28 - Louisville
10/12 - Stanford^
10/19 - at Georgia Tech (at Mercedes-Benz Stadium)
10/26 - vs Navy (in East Rutherford, NJ)
11/09 - Florida State
11/16 - Virginia
11/23 - vs Army (Yankee Stadium)*
11/30 - at USC

^Last Stanford game on ND's schedules going forward

*Army only recently added when Miami moved its ND game to next year


2025

09/13 - Texas A&M
09/20 - Purdue
09/27 - at Arkansas
10/18 - USC
11/08 - Navy
TBA - NC State
TBA - Syracuse
TBA - at Boston College
TBA - at Miami (FL)
TBA - at Pitt

2026

09/05 - vs Wisconsin (in Green Bay, WI)
09/26 - at Purdue
10/03 - at North Carolina
10/17 - Virginia
10/31 - at Navy
11/28 - at USC
TBA - Michigan State
TBA - Syracuse
TBA - Miami (FL)
TBA - at Florida State

2027

09/04 - Purdue
10/02 - Georgia Tech
11/06 - Virginia Tech
TBA - Navy
TBA - at Clemson
TBA - at Duke
TBA - at Michigan State
TBA - at Wake Forest

2028

09/16 - Arkansas
09/23 - at Purdue
11/04 - at Virginia Tech
TBA - Boston College
TBA - Clemson
TBA - Miami (FL)
TBA - at Navy
TBA - at Pitt

2029

09/01 - Alabama
09/15 - at USF
10/06 - at NC State
11/03 - Georgia Tech
11/10 - at Florida State
TBA - Wake Forest
TBA - Navy
TBA - at Syracuse

2030

08/31 - Indiana
09/14 - at Alabama
11/02 - at Louisville
TBA - Duke
TBA - Florida State
TBA - North Carolina
TBA - at Boston College
TBA - at Navy

2031

09/01 - at Clemson
09/13 - USF
09/27 - at Indiana
10/11 - at Virginia
11/15 - Florida
11/22 - NC State
TBA - Miami (FL)
TBA - Navy
TBA - at Pitt
TBA - at North Carolina

2032

09/11 - at Florida
10/30 - at Georgia Tech
TBA - Florida State
TBA - Louisville
TBA - Wake Forest
TBA - at Miami (FL)
TBA - at Navy

2033

09/03 - at Michigan
09/24 - at Duke
11/05 - Virginia Tech
TBA - Pitt
TBA - at Boston College
TBA - at Louisville

2034

09/02 - Michigan
10/26 - at Miami (FL)
TBA - Clemson
TBA - Syracuse
TBA - Virginia
TBA - at Pitt

2035

11/10 - at NC State
TBA - Boston College
TBA - Duke
TBA - at Virginia
TBA - at Louisville

2036

09/01 - at Virginia Tech
09/27 - at Georgia Tech
10/04 - Florida State
11/01 - Pitt
11/08 - North Carolina

2037

10/03 - NC State
TBA - Miami (FL)
TBA - at Clemson
TBA - at Syracuse
TBA - at Wake Forest

(03-21-2024 02:45 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 01:52 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 01:25 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  EDIT: Sounds to me like Miami isn't hearing good things from their SEC and Big Ten contacts about whether they'd get an invite.

Source?

Purely my reaction to the headline.

Miami woudn't be saying what they're saying on background if they were 100% confident they have a P2 spot waiting.

Just MO.

More my opinion: if the numerologists are right, and 20 is a magic number, then Miami is on the bubble for a Big Ten/SEC invite. Florida STate, Clemson and Notre Dame are locks, North Carolina seems confident, and then two of Miami, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech make 6.

Then the Big 12 takes their 4, but moving from a M2 ACC to a M1 Big 12 is not a win for Da U.

The "number" will be closer to 16 than 20.

(03-21-2024 04:12 PM)BruinNation Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:46 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 12:41 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  "Despite our numerous phone calls, and even our University President holding a boom box outside of Greg Sankey's window, the SEC and Big Ten have not indicated a desire to add the University of Miami. [...]"

"But we've added BY to our speed dial, and put chocolates and flowers in our Amazon cart to send his way, with same-day delivery, should things go PAC-boom suddenly."

Lol! If you thought Utah and Arizona State were “vocally reluctant” to joining the nBig 12, can you imagine the fit from Miami?

Pretty sure there are no Hershey kisses being shipped from Coral Gables to the office of the nBig 12 commissioner.

If Miami’s plan D scenario of landing in the nBig 12 did happen, it would not be some joyous moment. More like a moody teenager with earphones walking straight past step-dad Yormark to his room and shutting the door. Sebastian isn’t coming down for dinner.

Meh. Perhaps the admins at Miami would be unruly, but, from a football perspective, Miami would probably be just fine in the Big 12 as their backup plan, likely a short-term rental with everyone on the same page.

It's funny how so many Pac snobs thought the Truck Stoppers would never be a good fit for the 4c, until they were. The new insult is "ACC schools are too good for the Big 12" instead of "Pac schools are too good for the Big 12". I think it's better to look at this as "A hierarchy is coalescing, and Conference 3 will house a bunch of former Pac and ACC schools, as well as a bunch of Big 12 schools" instead of "Big 12 Truck Stop nope". Should it have been the Pac or the ACC instead of the Big 12? Probably. But Yormark proved more nimble and forward thinking than Kliavkoff, and Phillips' hands are tied by his high value members.

(03-21-2024 04:54 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 04:12 PM)BruinNation Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 03:46 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  

(03-21-2024 12:41 PM)ccd494 Wrote:  "Despite our numerous phone calls, and even our University President holding a boom box outside of Greg Sankey's window, the SEC and Big Ten have not indicated a desire to add the University of Miami. [...]"

"But we've added BY to our speed dial, and put chocolates and flowers in our Amazon cart to send his way, with same-day delivery, should things go PAC-boom suddenly."

Lol! If you thought Utah and Arizona State were “vocally reluctant” to joining the nBig 12, can you imagine the fit from Miami?

Pretty sure there are no Hershey kisses being shipped from Coral Gables to the office of the nBig 12 commissioner.

If Miami’s plan D scenario of landing in the nBig 12 did happen, it would not be some joyous moment. More like a moody teenager with earphones walking straight past step-dad Yormark to his room and shutting the door. Sebastian isn’t coming down for dinner.

Meh. Perhaps the admins at Miami would be unruly, but, from a football perspective, Miami would probably be just fine in the Big 12 as their backup plan, likely a short-term rental with everyone on the same page.

It's funny how so many Pac snobs thought the Truck Stoppers would never be a good fit for the 4c, until they were. The new insult is "ACC schools are too good for the Big 12" instead of "Pac schools are too good for the Big 12". I think it's better to look at this as "A hierarchy is coalescing, and Conference 3 will house a bunch of former Pac and ACC schools, as well as a bunch of Big 12 schools" instead of "Big 12 Truck Stop nope". Should it have been the Pac or the ACC instead of the Big 12? Probably. But Yormark proved more nimble and forward thinking than Kliavkoff, and Phillips' hands are tied by his high value members.

The Big 12 was raided first, reloaded first, and was located central to the PAC which was next and the ACC which may be about to happen. To coalesce schools from the East and West coast it is best to have a centrally located conference to build around. There were no accidents in the timing.