UGA has closed the academic status
GT ls losing fan interest every year
GTs interest within ATL is trending more towards Kennesaw St and GSU than UGA.
Their value is the best among ATL universities if not in the ATL its Mississippi St.

(03-21-2024 02:08 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 03:04 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  Underrated value IMO

1. Ground Zero location for the SEC and arguably the No. 1 recruiting metro area in the nation. That in itself is strategic enough for the SEC to prevent the B1G from planting its flag in the ATL

2. Excellent academics and no doubt part of Sankey and his presidents' big-picture plan to elevate the academic profile and standing of the SEC through cherry picking the ACC

3. Atlanta is a major airlines hub and easily accessible via direct flights from any major/semi-major city in the country. Hartsfield International is 12 miles from Georgia Tech's campus.

4. Tech football has been fair to middling most of the last 20 years — not strong enough to cause consternation among the SEC's existing middle- and lower-tier schools wrt getting knocked further down the pecking order with each big brand addition. Sankey has to appease the peasants, too.

Tech may well be the school that brings SEC expansion to a close, but in the end what does that matter?

You're either in or you're not

Most of these are great reasons for the B1G to go after GT, as well as Miami. Miami and Atlanta are 2 of the 4 top recruiting markets in the country (along with LA and Dallas). The SEC has now cemented Texas as a major recruiting ground. The B1G's historical footprint has been a declining recruiting market for years, which is a big reason why the B1G has not achieved the same level of success as the SEC despite comparable financial resources. Atlanta and Miami are both home to a large number of alumni from B1G schools, as well as many transplants from B1G states in the midwest and northeast. Finally, both Atlanta and Miami have huge television markets. Atlanta is in the top ten. Miami would be if Neilson treated Palm Beach County, which is in the Miami metro area, as part of its TV market.

I completely agree. I think long term we are going to see the return of the bundle and regional sports exclusivity. Dynamic pricing is too profitable. If you can charge local fans more they will. Then markets will be back.

Recruiting is a very important part. The top of the B1G may not need Atlanta, but the bottom sure does.

(03-20-2024 09:35 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 08:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 02:39 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Even a few years ago, it seemed like Georgia Tech would be a candidate for the B10 if anything happened. Now it doesn’t even seem like the B12 would want them in an ACC collapse scenario. The question is, what is Georgia Tech’s current value to any power conference? How has it declined over the years if at all?

IMO, if the ACC collapses, GT will be reduced to coming hat-in-hand to the nB12, maybe making a call on UCF's athletics department, hoping and begging for an invitation.

And because IIRC Georgia Tech did schedule games with you guys when you were G5 and needed the help, you might look kindly on them and say something nice about them in an nB12 meeting.

But I don't think they have any value to the P2 at all.

Just MO.

For the record, I actually would welcome Georgia Tech into the B12, it gives UCF a regional “rival” and we recruit the Atlanta area pretty heavily.
As for them scheduling us, iirc it had something to do with George O’Leary, could be wrong but I don’t think it was just a regular scheduled series out of the kindness of their hearts. Nonetheless, we did enjoy playing them and would welcome them into the B12.

Games against UCF have been good. Much better than games against USF. GT has been very respectful to UCF. GT scheduled a home and home with them, allowed a reschedule of a hurricane game in 2018, played them in COVID 2020 season. We have played them 3 times is 6 seasons. I would prefer to play FSU, but if we end up with an annual UCF game that's not terrible.

(03-20-2024 11:53 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 06:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 05:08 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 04:42 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 04:21 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Why couldn't GT play both Clemson & FSU more??

Could have if GT was in the Atlantic division. The AD at FSU was very complimentary of SU, I thought the annual game was "solid".

I think that the real reason and what esayem isn't saying is that GT wanted to play UNC, Duke, and Virginia more. That's the real reason, IMO.

That and they didn't want to play Georgia, Clemson, and FSU.

ROFLMAO!! If they didn't want to play us, they shouldn't have re-upped the contract. UGA is OOC; thwy play us because they want to!!

Every Tech Fan wants to play uGA in every sport every year. Clean Old Fashioned Hate runs deep. The contention is that GT did not want to play FSU. I think Tech did and would but the others in the ACC wanted to play FSU and boxed out GT.

(03-20-2024 11:53 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 06:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 05:08 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 04:42 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 04:21 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Why couldn't GT play both Clemson & FSU more??

Could have if GT was in the Atlantic division. The AD at FSU was very complimentary of SU, I thought the annual game was "solid".

I think that the real reason and what esayem isn't saying is that GT wanted to play UNC, Duke, and Virginia more. That's the real reason, IMO.

That and they didn't want to play Georgia, Clemson, and FSU.

ROFLMAO!! If they didn't want to play us, they shouldn't have re-upped the contract. UGA is OOC; thwy play us because they want to!!

No, silly. They don't want to play FSU yearly in addition to Georgia and Clemson. GaTech was very vocal about the Coastal Division. Their fans might want otherwise but we know how much that matters.

(03-22-2024 08:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 11:53 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 06:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 05:08 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 04:42 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Could have if GT was in the Atlantic division. The AD at FSU was very complimentary of SU, I thought the annual game was "solid".

I think that the real reason and what esayem isn't saying is that GT wanted to play UNC, Duke, and Virginia more. That's the real reason, IMO.

That and they didn't want to play Georgia, Clemson, and FSU.

ROFLMAO!! If they didn't want to play us, they shouldn't have re-upped the contract. UGA is OOC; thwy play us because they want to!!

No, silly. They don't want to play FSU yearly in addition to Georgia and Clemson. GaTech was very vocal about the Coastal Division. Their fans might want otherwise but we know how much that matters.

Swap FSU with Miami and the Coastal and that's perfect for GT. But that breaks a lot of other things.

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(03-22-2024 06:25 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-22-2024 08:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 11:53 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 06:16 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 05:08 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  I think that the real reason and what esayem isn't saying is that GT wanted to play UNC, Duke, and Virginia more. That's the real reason, IMO.

That and they didn't want to play Georgia, Clemson, and FSU.

ROFLMAO!! If they didn't want to play us, they shouldn't have re-upped the contract. UGA is OOC; thwy play us because they want to!!

No, silly. They don't want to play FSU yearly in addition to Georgia and Clemson. GaTech was very vocal about the Coastal Division. Their fans might want otherwise but we know how much that matters.

Swap FSU with Miami and the Coastal and that's perfect for GT. But that breaks a lot of other things.

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Absolutely agree. The fact is that schedule balancing under the old rules requiring divisions meant compromise. The ACC long argued for division less scheduling but was shotdown multiple times by the other P leagues. Even when the B12 was allowed to play for a champ game at 10, but the provision was tailored for the B12 and against the ACC.

The new schedule seems to balance FSU, Clemson and when ND plays GT, so that is another way of increasing frequency of playing FSU

(03-20-2024 10:03 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 09:59 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 09:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 09:32 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 03:17 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  The B12 would take Stanford or a significant chunk of the B12 would join the ACC.

lol no one in the B12 wanted Stanford before, it’s even less likely now. And saying B12 schools would leave for the scraps of the ACC if we didn’t invite Stanford is just delusional.

Don't worry. The ACC much prefers South Florida.

I highly doubt that’s true, but regardless, when the B12, SEC, and B1G pick apart the ACC, that’ll be about their only option to backfill with. usf, Memphis, and Tulane. Maybe Rice.

So you want ACC schools in your conference. I don't have any interest in your schools. Weird.

You aren’t in a position to add any B12 schools, that’s why you had to swallow SMU instead of TCU or Oklahoma State. As soon as the ACC implodes we’ll take our pick of whatever is left.

(03-20-2024 10:27 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 09:35 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 08:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-19-2024 02:39 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  Even a few years ago, it seemed like Georgia Tech would be a candidate for the B10 if anything happened. Now it doesn’t even seem like the B12 would want them in an ACC collapse scenario. The question is, what is Georgia Tech’s current value to any power conference? How has it declined over the years if at all?

IMO, if the ACC collapses, GT will be reduced to coming hat-in-hand to the nB12, maybe making a call on UCF's athletics department, hoping and begging for an invitation.

And because IIRC Georgia Tech did schedule games with you guys when you were G5 and needed the help, you might look kindly on them and say something nice about them in an nB12 meeting.

But I don't think they have any value to the P2 at all.

Just MO.

For the record, I actually would welcome Georgia Tech into the B12, it gives UCF a regional “rival” and we recruit the Atlanta area pretty heavily.
As for them scheduling us, iirc it had something to do with George O’Leary, could be wrong but I don’t think it was just a regular scheduled series out of the kindness of their hearts. Nonetheless, we did enjoy playing them and would welcome them into the B12.

You got one series because of O'Leary, one because of Todd Stansbury.

If you'd change your name back to the Citronauts we'd be more interested.

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Yeah that’s what I thought, I knew it was some special circumstances that led to the home and homes. However I do think Georgia Tech and UCF playing each other is a good regional game, and I’d like to see yall on future schedules.

(03-24-2024 05:00 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  You aren’t in a position to add any B12 schools, that’s why you had to swallow SMU instead of TCU or Oklahoma State. As soon as the ACC implodes we’ll take our pick of whatever is left.

Because nothing says A Mighty Conference Power To Be Reckoned With like 'we'll take our pick of whatever is left.'

The biggest thing working against Georgia Tech's P2 chances, I'd say, is the story GT community has been telling for years about 'the brand.'

GT community has touted the school's not being what they term a 'football factory.' The school's high standards, the story goes, oblige its teams to underachieve. The Jackets can excusably reside in the middle of every stack because at least the school 'does things the right way', unlike all of those 'factories.'

It's OK if that's how you want to play it. Don't be surprised though if P2 leagues, organising for an era of revenue sharing and collective bargaining, have trouble thinking of you as an industrial power.

(03-24-2024 05:00 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 10:03 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 09:59 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 09:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 09:32 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  lol no one in the B12 wanted Stanford before, it’s even less likely now. And saying B12 schools would leave for the scraps of the ACC if we didn’t invite Stanford is just delusional.

Don't worry. The ACC much prefers South Florida.

I highly doubt that’s true, but regardless, when the B12, SEC, and B1G pick apart the ACC, that’ll be about their only option to backfill with. usf, Memphis, and Tulane. Maybe Rice.

So you want ACC schools in your conference. I don't have any interest in your schools. Weird.

You aren’t in a position to add any B12 schools, that’s why you had to swallow SMU instead of TCU or Oklahoma State. As soon as the ACC implodes we’ll take our pick of whatever is left.

SMU has a much much better NIL collective than TCU and OK State, so thanks for that.

Also, we’re not interested, but thank you for your continued and unrelenting interest in the ACC. Perhaps we’ll send you all a gift basket with memorabilia and ACC decals for the pride you hold in our conference.

(03-25-2024 02:23 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 05:00 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  You aren’t in a position to add any B12 schools, that’s why you had to swallow SMU instead of TCU or Oklahoma State. As soon as the ACC implodes we’ll take our pick of whatever is left.

Because nothing says A Mighty Conference Power To Be Reckoned With like 'we'll take our pick of whatever is left.'

No one said the B12 was on the same level as the SEC or ACC, but it’s certainly going to be in a much better position than the ACC.

(03-25-2024 06:52 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 05:00 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 10:03 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 09:59 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 09:48 PM)esayem Wrote:  Don't worry. The ACC much prefers South Florida.

I highly doubt that’s true, but regardless, when the B12, SEC, and B1G pick apart the ACC, that’ll be about their only option to backfill with. usf, Memphis, and Tulane. Maybe Rice.

So you want ACC schools in your conference. I don't have any interest in your schools. Weird.

You aren’t in a position to add any B12 schools, that’s why you had to swallow SMU instead of TCU or Oklahoma State. As soon as the ACC implodes we’ll take our pick of whatever is left.

SMU has a much much better NIL collective than TCU and OK State, so thanks for that.

Also, we’re not interested, but thank you for your continued and unrelenting interest in the ACC. Perhaps we’ll send you all a gift basket with memorabilia and ACC decals for the pride you hold in our conference.

I like SMU and liked being in a conference with them, but their value is objectively nowhere near TCU or OK State.

I posed a question about Georgia Tech for discussion, you’re the one who keeps going into every thread and bashing UCF at every chance. I think you’re the one with the obsession.

But anyways, im not sure why, as a UNC fan, you’re so insecure about the ACC that you constantly have to defend it in every way basically saying “everything’s fine”, when there are teams actively trying to leave the conference. UNC will be fine no matter what happens. We’re just discussing different scenarios.

(03-25-2024 10:53 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 06:52 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 05:00 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 10:03 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 09:59 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  I highly doubt that’s true, but regardless, when the B12, SEC, and B1G pick apart the ACC, that’ll be about their only option to backfill with. usf, Memphis, and Tulane. Maybe Rice.

So you want ACC schools in your conference. I don't have any interest in your schools. Weird.

You aren’t in a position to add any B12 schools, that’s why you had to swallow SMU instead of TCU or Oklahoma State. As soon as the ACC implodes we’ll take our pick of whatever is left.

SMU has a much much better NIL collective than TCU and OK State, so thanks for that.

Also, we’re not interested, but thank you for your continued and unrelenting interest in the ACC. Perhaps we’ll send you all a gift basket with memorabilia and ACC decals for the pride you hold in our conference.

I like SMU and liked being in a conference with them, but their value is objectively nowhere near TCU or OK State.

I posed a question about Georgia Tech for discussion, you’re the one who keeps going into every thread and bashing UCF at every chance. I think you’re the one with the obsession.

But anyways, im not sure why, as a UNC fan, you’re so insecure about the ACC that you constantly have to defend it in every way basically saying “everything’s fine”, when there are teams actively trying to leave the conference. UNC will be fine no matter what happens. We’re just discussing different scenarios.

I have nothing against UCF. It seems great that they have been able to raise from FCS to P4. I just prefer historic rivals that are driveable (shocking I know!) My preference is FSU, Miami then UCF. Miami and UCF are a lot closer than you can imagine mostly because of the trashy Miami fans. UF would be on par with FSU, if through a miracle GT could get back into the SEC.

(03-25-2024 11:30 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 10:53 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 06:52 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 05:00 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 10:03 PM)esayem Wrote:  So you want ACC schools in your conference. I don't have any interest in your schools. Weird.

You aren’t in a position to add any B12 schools, that’s why you had to swallow SMU instead of TCU or Oklahoma State. As soon as the ACC implodes we’ll take our pick of whatever is left.

SMU has a much much better NIL collective than TCU and OK State, so thanks for that.

Also, we’re not interested, but thank you for your continued and unrelenting interest in the ACC. Perhaps we’ll send you all a gift basket with memorabilia and ACC decals for the pride you hold in our conference.

I like SMU and liked being in a conference with them, but their value is objectively nowhere near TCU or OK State.

I posed a question about Georgia Tech for discussion, you’re the one who keeps going into every thread and bashing UCF at every chance. I think you’re the one with the obsession.

But anyways, im not sure why, as a UNC fan, you’re so insecure about the ACC that you constantly have to defend it in every way basically saying “everything’s fine”, when there are teams actively trying to leave the conference. UNC will be fine no matter what happens. We’re just discussing different scenarios.

I have nothing against UCF. It seems great that they have been able to raise from FCS to P4. I just prefer historic rivals that are driveable (shocking I know!) My preference is FSU, Miami then UCF. Miami and UCF are a lot closer than you can imagine mostly because of the trashy Miami fans. UF would be on par with FSU, if through a miracle GT could get back into the SEC.

Actually, UCF is the only school in the nation that started out as Division III, then got all the way to the P4. And I was addressing the UNC fan that was bashing UCF out of nowhere. I think Georgia Tech and UCF would be a good regional matchup if we were in the same conference.

(03-25-2024 10:53 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 06:52 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 05:00 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 10:03 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 09:59 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  I highly doubt that’s true, but regardless, when the B12, SEC, and B1G pick apart the ACC, that’ll be about their only option to backfill with. usf, Memphis, and Tulane. Maybe Rice.

So you want ACC schools in your conference. I don't have any interest in your schools. Weird.

You aren’t in a position to add any B12 schools, that’s why you had to swallow SMU instead of TCU or Oklahoma State. As soon as the ACC implodes we’ll take our pick of whatever is left.

SMU has a much much better NIL collective than TCU and OK State, so thanks for that.

Also, we’re not interested, but thank you for your continued and unrelenting interest in the ACC. Perhaps we’ll send you all a gift basket with memorabilia and ACC decals for the pride you hold in our conference.

I like SMU and liked being in a conference with them, but their value is objectively nowhere near TCU or OK State.

I posed a question about Georgia Tech for discussion, you’re the one who keeps going into every thread and bashing UCF at every chance. I think you’re the one with the obsession.

But anyways, im not sure why, as a UNC fan, you’re so insecure about the ACC that you constantly have to defend it in every way basically saying “everything’s fine”, when there are teams actively trying to leave the conference. UNC will be fine no matter what happens. We’re just discussing different scenarios.

I could be a fan of a team in the Big West and I would still take the position I am taking.

I defended the Big XII all through the "AAC will poach the Big XII" scenario. I just know how this stuff goes.

How soon some forget.



Where did I bash UCF? Stop the slander.

(03-25-2024 11:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 10:53 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 06:52 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 05:00 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-20-2024 10:03 PM)esayem Wrote:  So you want ACC schools in your conference. I don't have any interest in your schools. Weird.

You aren’t in a position to add any B12 schools, that’s why you had to swallow SMU instead of TCU or Oklahoma State. As soon as the ACC implodes we’ll take our pick of whatever is left.

SMU has a much much better NIL collective than TCU and OK State, so thanks for that.

Also, we’re not interested, but thank you for your continued and unrelenting interest in the ACC. Perhaps we’ll send you all a gift basket with memorabilia and ACC decals for the pride you hold in our conference.

I like SMU and liked being in a conference with them, but their value is objectively nowhere near TCU or OK State.

I posed a question about Georgia Tech for discussion, you’re the one who keeps going into every thread and bashing UCF at every chance. I think you’re the one with the obsession.

But anyways, im not sure why, as a UNC fan, you’re so insecure about the ACC that you constantly have to defend it in every way basically saying “everything’s fine”, when there are teams actively trying to leave the conference. UNC will be fine no matter what happens. We’re just discussing different scenarios.

I could be a fan of a team in the Big West and I would still take the position I am taking.

I defended the Big XII all through the "AAC will poach the Big XII" scenario. I just know how this stuff goes.

How soon some forget.



Where did I bash UCF? Stop the slander.

This is not the same scenario. The AAC was not a power conference, them raiding the B12 was never going to happen. This is more similar to the talks about the B12 raiding the PAC. Which did happen. When a power conference gets picked apart, the schools will try to save their status and flock to whatever other power conference will take them. That’s what happened with the PAC, and that’s what will happen with the ACC.

And you randomly said “don’t worry the ACC would MUCH rather have usf” when no one even mentioned UCF. That’s bashing UCF. And it’s not even true.

(03-25-2024 11:58 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 11:50 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 10:53 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(03-25-2024 06:52 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-24-2024 05:00 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  You aren’t in a position to add any B12 schools, that’s why you had to swallow SMU instead of TCU or Oklahoma State. As soon as the ACC implodes we’ll take our pick of whatever is left.

SMU has a much much better NIL collective than TCU and OK State, so thanks for that.

Also, we’re not interested, but thank you for your continued and unrelenting interest in the ACC. Perhaps we’ll send you all a gift basket with memorabilia and ACC decals for the pride you hold in our conference.

I like SMU and liked being in a conference with them, but their value is objectively nowhere near TCU or OK State.

I posed a question about Georgia Tech for discussion, you’re the one who keeps going into every thread and bashing UCF at every chance. I think you’re the one with the obsession.

But anyways, im not sure why, as a UNC fan, you’re so insecure about the ACC that you constantly have to defend it in every way basically saying “everything’s fine”, when there are teams actively trying to leave the conference. UNC will be fine no matter what happens. We’re just discussing different scenarios.

I could be a fan of a team in the Big West and I would still take the position I am taking.

I defended the Big XII all through the "AAC will poach the Big XII" scenario. I just know how this stuff goes.

How soon some forget.



Where did I bash UCF? Stop the slander.

This is not the same scenario. The AAC was not a power conference, them raiding the B12 was never going to happen. This is more similar to the talks about the B12 raiding the PAC. Which did happen. When a power conference gets picked apart, the schools will try to save their status and flock to whatever other power conference will take them. That’s what happened with the PAC, and that’s what will happen with the ACC.

It's being reported Clemson and FSU might not even bring enough value to warrant expansion. It's being reported the next SEC and B18 deals might relegate payments based on value. Yet, you believe ESPN is going to 1) cancel their under market value deal with the ACC, 2) cancel the moneymaking ACCN, and 3) move their properties to the Big XII and pay everyone more?

That's not what happens in business or in reality. Period.

(03-25-2024 11:58 AM)BraveKnight Wrote:  And you randomly said “don’t worry the ACC would MUCH rather have usf” when no one even mentioned UCF. That’s bashing UCF. And it’s not even true.

AAU status goes a long way. Plus, no 10,000 year GOR to worry about. So yeah, I stand by that.