I am on the record as saying that FSU will eventually be able to afford the buyout but it is likely not til 2030. Why would the ACC settle for USF when they can raid the top of the Big 12 in a contract year?

UCF, Kansas, TCU, OK State and Texas Tech seem like better adds than USF or Tulane.

Any move by FSU to the SEC will require a negotiation with ESPN. Locking down the rights to the top of the B12 and not paying for the rest is likely ESPNs preference to over paying for a new B12 contract.

Long time till any of this comes into play regardless.

$80,000,000

Easier to spring from the AAC than the Big 12.

Plus it is at best a lateral move.

(03-07-2024 03:47 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  $80,000,000

This.

As I said elsewhere, make WF, BC, and ‘Cuse, probably GaTech as well, pay for it. Mag7 schools foot a lesser percentage.

(03-07-2024 03:47 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  $80,000,000

Precedent has been set for each exit with a revenue forfeit. It's 50 million

The answer is USF academics

The Florida twins are the most valuable together.

(03-07-2024 04:03 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 03:47 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  $80,000,000

This.

Nailed it

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(03-07-2024 03:47 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  $80,000,000

Sorry, whats the 80m? Exit fee? GOR? Does that apply to all B12 schools?

Florida's freedom of information laws are exceptionally demanding. Before the ACC invites any more public universities in the state to join, leaders will surely want to assess what has been learned in the Florida State case about these laws. This will affect the shaping of new agreements.

The winning move is to get both the Bulls and the Knights into one conference and own the rivalry. Of course, this is a practical move for travel as well.

(03-07-2024 07:47 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 03:47 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  $80,000,000

Sorry, whats the 80m? Exit fee? GOR? Does that apply to all B12 schools?

Big 12 exit fee is 2 years of Conference distributions, which would be about $80m today. By 2030? I'd guess closer to the $100-120m range.

More important than exit fees though: why in the world would UCF want to leave the stable Big 12 for the unstable ACC that just lost FSU and perhaps others? WVU fans don't even want to join the ACC right now. The ACC won't be stable unless and until every remaining school has no better option than remaining in the ACC. Which, by the way, is the biggest reason for the stability of the B1G, SEC, and, yes, even the Big 12. Nobody has a reasonable expectation of going anyplace better right now or in the near future. And in the Big 12's case, even if someone like KU did leave, they'd be a whole lot easier to replace than FSU or Clemson.

(03-07-2024 04:36 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  As I said elsewhere, make WF, BC, and ‘Cuse, probably GaTech as well, pay for it. Mag7 schools foot a lesser percentage.

There seems to be a tendency on this board to treat Duke as one of the Mag7 schools. But they're not. As for the rest of the suggestion, Syracuse and Georgia Tech have at least a puncher's chance of making it into the Big XII, depending on how aggressive that conference wants to be, so your suggestion easily could backfire. Alternatively, a number of the left-behinds could wind up in the Big East, and either independent for football or reforming the hybrid Big East in some capacity.

Why would UCF want to leave for an ACC without FSU? In what way is it superior to the Big 12, especially if other ACC brands are looking to leave?

(03-07-2024 11:26 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Why would UCF want to leave for an ACC without FSU? In what way is it superior to the Big 12, especially if other ACC brands are looking to leave?

If the ACC can hang together with Notre Dame as its den mother, it keeps its conference network. If it also adds USF, UCF has a chance to make an annual rivalry game an in-conference game as well. There's plenty of reason to take the call.

(03-07-2024 11:38 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 11:26 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Why would UCF want to leave for an ACC without FSU? In what way is it superior to the Big 12, especially if other ACC brands are looking to leave?

If the ACC can hang together with Notre Dame as its den mother, it keeps its conference network. If it also adds USF, UCF has a chance to make an annual rivalry game an in-conference game as well. There's plenty of reason to take the call.

They have to take the call, but things would have to take a decidedly negative turn for the Big 12 in the next few years for UCF to do more than listen politely to the ACC sales pitch for 30 seconds then say "no" and hang up.

Big 12 might be next to fall.

(03-08-2024 01:12 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Big 12 might be next to fall.

With the clear implication that they'd be totally safe if only they'd wise up and get a strong presence in the Boise, Idaho region?

(03-08-2024 12:33 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 11:38 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 11:26 PM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Why would UCF want to leave for an ACC without FSU? In what way is it superior to the Big 12, especially if other ACC brands are looking to leave?

If the ACC can hang together with Notre Dame as its den mother, it keeps its conference network. If it also adds USF, UCF has a chance to make an annual rivalry game an in-conference game as well. There's plenty of reason to take the call.

They have to take the call, but things would have to take a decidedly negative turn for the Big 12 in the next few years for UCF to do more than listen politely to the ACC sales pitch for 30 seconds then say "no" and hang up.

No one's stopping you from enjoying that scene in your head as you've got it scripted already. Still, reality is always what's for dinner.

A lot of things are going to happen in the next few years. The B1G and SEC are the two big continental plates while the B12 and ACC are two vulnerable houses built on the fault line. Things have been taking a negative turn for both of them already and there's more to come.

Nothing says the ACC would want UCF anyway. For all we know an ACC-bound USF might be opposed to inviting them. We don't know.

I don't know that ND wants to hang around and be den mother to a reshaped ACC if the Seminoles leave. Or that ESPN doesn't already want to fold its ACCN tent. Or that streaming won't mean a boom or a bust for everybody. Many possibilities exist.

We'll see.

(03-08-2024 02:21 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 01:12 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Big 12 might be next to fall.

With the clear implication that they'd be totally safe if only they'd wise up and get a strong presence in the Boise, Idaho region?

LOL, If B12 was going to go West for another add today, boise would not be that add. You would go get Or state and Wash St. as full members and do a PAC/B12 merger with all p12 assets, credits, going to B12, and the 2 new getting full shares.

Why? Mainly because it’s easier and South Florida has appealing AAU status plus building the on-campus stadium is a bonus.

Interestingly, Tampa has hosted a couple ACC championships in football and one basketball tournament in Tampa. Orlando hosted one for football due to politics.

Orlando doesn’t have an NFL team, while Tampa doesn’t have an NBA team. I’m not sure how much that matters though.