(03-08-2024 06:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  Why? Mainly because it’s easier and South Florida has appealing AAU status plus building the on-campus stadium is a bonus.

Interestingly, Tampa has hosted a couple ACC championships in football and one basketball tournament in Tampa. Orlando hosted one for football due to politics.

Orlando doesn’t have an NFL team, while Tampa doesn’t have an NBA team. I’m not sure how much that matters though.

AAU status is the only thing USF has on UCF. Since football drives the bus, UCF has everything you could hope to get from USF some day and it’s not overshadowed by an NFL franchise.

(03-07-2024 03:51 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Easier to spring from the AAC than the Big 12.

Plus it is at best a lateral move.

(03-08-2024 07:07 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 06:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  Why? Mainly because it’s easier and South Florida has appealing AAU status plus building the on-campus stadium is a bonus.

Interestingly, Tampa has hosted a couple ACC championships in football and one basketball tournament in Tampa. Orlando hosted one for football due to politics.

Orlando doesn’t have an NFL team, while Tampa doesn’t have an NBA team. I’m not sure how much that matters though.

AAU status is the only thing USF has on UCF. Since football drives the bus, UCF has everything you could hope to get from USF some day and it’s not overshadowed by an NFL franchise.

There's always a pro franchise somewhere when you're talking about urban universities. I hear Cincinnati and Houston have a few in the vicinity, as do Georgia Tech and Miami. Orlando and Tampa lie so close to each other that this factor is a wash. If you don't mind that for one school, you don't mind it for the other. Both schools (will) have their own on-campus stadiums anyway.

If I'm the ACC the Bulls are the first call I make. If they're on board, I sound them out about approaching the Knights.

(03-07-2024 03:51 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Easier to spring from the AAC than the Big 12.

Plus it is at best a lateral move.

According to FSU's AD Alford the ACC is a step down from the Big 12.


https://www.on3.com/teams/florida-state-...this-week/

First, UCF I would imagine would view an FSU-less ACC as a lateral move at best from the nB12. So they might well decline an invite. Heck I would probably expect them to.

Second, as an AAU school, USF might arguably be more culturally compadre with ACC schools. As opposed to the Buc-Eees culture of the nB12.

(03-08-2024 08:57 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 03:51 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Easier to spring from the AAC than the Big 12.

Plus it is at best a lateral move.

According to FSU's AD Alford the ACC is a step down from the Big 12.

FWIW, I think he's wrong about that. I think the ACC will make more media money per school in the coming six years than the nB12.

We'll see.

If the ACC could raid the B12 they'd have lots of good options for expansion. Cinci, WVU & UCF. Then go take all of those PAC12 schools that just moved there to shore up the western branch with Cal & Stanford.

But my guess is that opportunity has passed.

(03-08-2024 09:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  If the ACC could raid the B12 they'd have lots of good options for expansion. Cinci, WVU & UCF. Then go take all of those PAC12 schools that just moved there to shore up the western branch with Cal & Stanford.

But my guess is that opportunity has passed.

Yes, the nACC - nB12 relationship is an M2 relationship now. A move from one to the other would be a lateral move so not worth making. I don't even think WV, who has pined for ACC membership forever, would do it.

Especially since the only way they get an ACC invite is if ACC powers like FSU and UNC were leaving, which would make it even less attractive.

If those powers leave, the nB12 might be able to pull in some ACC schools, like Louisville, I think.

(03-08-2024 07:07 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 06:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  Why? Mainly because it’s easier and South Florida has appealing AAU status plus building the on-campus stadium is a bonus.

Interestingly, Tampa has hosted a couple ACC championships in football and one basketball tournament in Tampa. Orlando hosted one for football due to politics.

Orlando doesn’t have an NFL team, while Tampa doesn’t have an NBA team. I’m not sure how much that matters though.

AAU status is the only thing USF has on UCF. Since football drives the bus, UCF has everything you could hope to get from USF some day and it’s not overshadowed by an NFL franchise.

As a North Carolina fan, I would much rather the ACC add USF men's basketball (which has been underrated for years in some respects) over UCF hoops (though the latter program has improved a good bit over the years and deserves credit for that).

(03-08-2024 09:10 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 07:07 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 06:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  Why? Mainly because it’s easier and South Florida has appealing AAU status plus building the on-campus stadium is a bonus.

Interestingly, Tampa has hosted a couple ACC championships in football and one basketball tournament in Tampa. Orlando hosted one for football due to politics.

Orlando doesn’t have an NFL team, while Tampa doesn’t have an NBA team. I’m not sure how much that matters though.

AAU status is the only thing USF has on UCF. Since football drives the bus, UCF has everything you could hope to get from USF some day and it’s not overshadowed by an NFL franchise.

As a North Carolina fan, I would much rather the ACC add USF men's basketball (which has been underrated for years in some respects) over UCF hoops (though the latter program has improved a good bit over the years and deserves credit for that).

The thing is, despite having like 8 more losses, UCF hoops is I believe currently ahead of USF hoops in the NET rankings.

That's the power of SOS, of being in a good league like the nB12 not a bad one like the AAC is this year. And honestly I can't say that UCF isn't better. I know we'd have a lot more losses if we played their schedule.

(03-08-2024 09:10 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 07:07 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 06:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  Why? Mainly because it’s easier and South Florida has appealing AAU status plus building the on-campus stadium is a bonus.

Interestingly, Tampa has hosted a couple ACC championships in football and one basketball tournament in Tampa. Orlando hosted one for football due to politics.

Orlando doesn’t have an NFL team, while Tampa doesn’t have an NBA team. I’m not sure how much that matters though.

AAU status is the only thing USF has on UCF. Since football drives the bus, UCF has everything you could hope to get from USF some day and it’s not overshadowed by an NFL franchise.

As a North Carolina fan, I would much rather the ACC add USF men's basketball (which has been underrated for years in some respects) over UCF hoops (though the latter program has improved a good bit over the years and deserves credit for that).

Wait, what? What respects? Until this year USF has been absolutely dreadful since seemingly the Eisenhower administration.

(03-08-2024 09:22 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 09:10 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 07:07 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 06:51 AM)esayem Wrote:  Why? Mainly because it’s easier and South Florida has appealing AAU status plus building the on-campus stadium is a bonus.

Interestingly, Tampa has hosted a couple ACC championships in football and one basketball tournament in Tampa. Orlando hosted one for football due to politics.

Orlando doesn’t have an NFL team, while Tampa doesn’t have an NBA team. I’m not sure how much that matters though.

AAU status is the only thing USF has on UCF. Since football drives the bus, UCF has everything you could hope to get from USF some day and it’s not overshadowed by an NFL franchise.

As a North Carolina fan, I would much rather the ACC add USF men's basketball (which has been underrated for years in some respects) over UCF hoops (though the latter program has improved a good bit over the years and deserves credit for that).

Wait, what? What respects? Until this year USF has been absolutely dreadful since seemingly the Eisenhower administration.

That's true. But perceptions can change quickly.

Too bad for us we didn't have this year - a rebound football year, and a Cinderella hoops year - a year ago, when the PAC collapsed and suddenly ACC and B12 spots were open. Combined with the new AAU membership and we might have gotten a call.

Oh well.

The thing is, USF is not going to replace all of Clemson, UNC, Miami/??? along with FSU, all of whom will undoubtedly follow the 'Noles out in the subsequent months or years. Although the payout could remain the same given the remaining pro-rata addition plus exit fees, ESPN will almost certainly opt out if it all gets done within a year, which is still 50/50 in my eyes (barring some lengthy court hearings).

I don't think the ACC can pull Texas teams from the Big 12. KU, which is the crown jewel, is simply not going to leave either. That's why UCF becomes the next biggest get. If they settle for USF and Tulane, that is going to set up BC and WF types for failure long term. The weakest links in the ACC need to foot the highest money up front to pave the way for UCF to come in.

(03-08-2024 09:28 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The thing is, USF is not going to replace all of Clemson, UNC, Miami/??? along with FSU, all of whom will undoubtedly follow the 'Noles out in the subsequent months or years. Although the payout could remain the same given the remaining pro-rata addition plus exit fees, ESPN will almost certainly opt out if it all gets done within a year, which is still 50/50 in my eyes (barring some lengthy court hearings).

I don't think the ACC can pull Texas teams from the Big 12. KU, which is the crown jewel, is simply not going to leave either. That's why UCF becomes the next biggest get. If they settle for USF and Tulane, that is going to set up BC and WF types for failure long term. The weakest links in the ACC need to foot the highest money up front to pave the way for UCF to come in.

It pains me to say it as a USF fan, but I can't argue with the idea that UCF would be more appealing to the ACC than USF. They would be.

But, as stated before, I don't think they could get them. Why would UCF leave the nB12, which has the stability of the unwanted, for a volatile ACC that was arguably no better than the nB12 before FSU/Clemson/UNC leave?

After they leave, the ACC would not be appealing to them, IMO.

(03-08-2024 09:45 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 09:28 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  The thing is, USF is not going to replace all of Clemson, UNC, Miami/??? along with FSU, all of whom will undoubtedly follow the 'Noles out in the subsequent months or years. Although the payout could remain the same given the remaining pro-rata addition plus exit fees, ESPN will almost certainly opt out if it all gets done within a year, which is still 50/50 in my eyes (barring some lengthy court hearings).

I don't think the ACC can pull Texas teams from the Big 12. KU, which is the crown jewel, is simply not going to leave either. That's why UCF becomes the next biggest get. If they settle for USF and Tulane, that is going to set up BC and WF types for failure long term. The weakest links in the ACC need to foot the highest money up front to pave the way for UCF to come in.

It pains me to say it as a USF fan, but I can't argue with the idea that UCF would be more appealing to the ACC than USF. They would be.

But, as stated before, I don't think they could get them. Why would UCF leave the nB12, which has the stability of the unwanted, for a volatile ACC that was arguably no better than the nB12 before FSU/Clemson/UNC leave?

After they leave, the ACC would not be appealing to them, IMO.

I think it stabilizes unless there are indications for 24/24/24, and we just don't have evidence for that at the moment.

As a bias UCF Fan on Southeast Big 12 island:
I'd much rather USF, Georgia Tech, or Miami join the Big 12 when the ACC collapses.

As rational or irrational as that sounds.

(03-08-2024 08:57 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 03:51 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Easier to spring from the AAC than the Big 12.

Plus it is at best a lateral move.

According to FSU's AD Alford the ACC is a step down from the Big 12.


https://www.on3.com/teams/florida-state-...this-week/

lol you mean the guy that works for the school that is suing to get into the Big Ten? What a reliable source pause not

(03-08-2024 09:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 09:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  If the ACC could raid the B12 they'd have lots of good options for expansion. Cinci, WVU & UCF. Then go take all of those PAC12 schools that just moved there to shore up the western branch with Cal & Stanford.

But my guess is that opportunity has passed.

Yes, the nACC - nB12 relationship is an M2 relationship now. A move from one to the other would be a lateral move so not worth making. I don't even think WV, who has pined for ACC membership forever, would do it.

Especially since the only way they get an ACC invite is if ACC powers like FSU and UNC were leaving, which would make it even less attractive.

If those powers leave, the nB12 might be able to pull in some ACC schools, like Louisville, I think.

What is nACC? The membership has been the same for a decade or more.

(03-08-2024 08:57 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-07-2024 03:51 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  Easier to spring from the AAC than the Big 12.

Plus it is at best a lateral move.

According to FSU's AD Alford the ACC is a step down from the Big 12.


https://www.on3.com/teams/florida-state-...this-week/

FSU has an agenda and they are know for stretching the facts

(03-08-2024 10:13 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 09:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 09:02 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  If the ACC could raid the B12 they'd have lots of good options for expansion. Cinci, WVU & UCF. Then go take all of those PAC12 schools that just moved there to shore up the western branch with Cal & Stanford.

But my guess is that opportunity has passed.

Yes, the nACC - nB12 relationship is an M2 relationship now. A move from one to the other would be a lateral move so not worth making. I don't even think WV, who has pined for ACC membership forever, would do it.

Especially since the only way they get an ACC invite is if ACC powers like FSU and UNC were leaving, which would make it even less attractive.

If those powers leave, the nB12 might be able to pull in some ACC schools, like Louisville, I think.

What is nACC? The membership has been the same for a decade or more.

Cal and Stanford and SMU?