From a performance perspective, the 'best of the rest" iteration makes the most sense and it appears the P2 have not given up on a rebuild.

If I'm them, I'm focusing all energy on big budgets and/or big cities.

Best case is this:

OSU
WSU
FIU
Liberty
UMass
Rice
NIU
SJSU
UNLV
Georgia State


Just tell me how that conference isn't still included in a P5.

(12-21-2023 02:55 PM)inutech Wrote:  If I'm them, I'm focusing all energy on big budgets and/or big cities.

Best case is this:

OSU
WSU
FIU
Liberty
UMass
Rice
NIU
SJSU
UNLV
Georgia State


Just tell me how that conference isn't still included in a P5.

Haha, yes I could see the CW paying almost $3M per team for that TV package.

(12-21-2023 02:51 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  From a performance perspective, the 'best of the rest" iteration makes the most sense and it appears the P2 have not given up on a rebuild.

But why would anyone in the MWC and AAC jump at the new G6 conference when they know an ACC implosion is coming. As soon as Flor St leaves for a pow2 conference, USF will be snatched up by the ACC. Tulane, and UConn will be next after next 2 leave the ACC. SDSU and Col St after that.

The cleanest outcome would be for both of them to merge with the MWC, retain the PAC name and keep the MWC offices/administrative staff. Perhaps they get higher shares for the first cycle for "selling" the PAC name. Or maybe the MWC goes full C7/BE and just pays a large amount to purchase the name, brand and history.

I do feel the MWC/WCC set-up is temporary as these things take a long time to negotiate and settle. The fact that the C7 essentially created a whole new conference in a matter of weeks/months is still an incredible story, but not likely to be duplicated ever again.

(12-21-2023 03:04 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 02:55 PM)inutech Wrote:  If I'm them, I'm focusing all energy on big budgets and/or big cities.

Best case is this:

OSU
WSU
FIU
Liberty
UMass
Rice
NIU
SJSU
UNLV
Georgia State


Just tell me how that conference isn't still included in a P5.

Haha, yes I could see the CW paying almost $3M per team for that TV package.

That sounds high.

(12-21-2023 03:22 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:04 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 02:55 PM)inutech Wrote:  If I'm them, I'm focusing all energy on big budgets and/or big cities.

Best case is this:

OSU
WSU
FIU
Liberty
UMass
Rice
NIU
SJSU
UNLV
Georgia State


Just tell me how that conference isn't still included in a P5.

Haha, yes I could see the CW paying almost $3M per team for that TV package.

That sounds high.

For those #marketz?

Seemed really low to me.

(12-21-2023 03:10 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 02:51 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  From a performance perspective, the 'best of the rest" iteration makes the most sense and it appears the P2 have not given up on a rebuild.

But why would anyone in the MWC and AAC jump at the new G6 conference when they know an ACC implosion is coming. As soon as Flor St leaves for a pow2 conference, USF will be snatched up by the ACC. Tulane, and UConn will be next after next 2 leave the ACC. SDSU and Col St after that.

FSU wanting to leave and breaking an GOR called “ironclad” are two separate things.

(12-21-2023 03:28 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:22 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:04 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 02:55 PM)inutech Wrote:  If I'm them, I'm focusing all energy on big budgets and/or big cities.

Best case is this:

OSU
WSU
FIU
Liberty
UMass
Rice
NIU
SJSU
UNLV
Georgia State


Just tell me how that conference isn't still included in a P5.

Haha, yes I could see the CW paying almost $3M per team for that TV package.

That sounds high.

For those #marketz?

Seemed really low to me.

Barring OSU/WSU what's the average that those teams are pulling right now? I rest my case.

They are definitely going to be watching this Florida St situation closely to see if it opens up opportunities in the ACC or Big 12. Personally, I think the next 2 up for ACC membership will be USF and one of UConn/Tulane/Memphis and there will be no 11th hour rescue for the PNW duo.

I don’t think they like the optics of merging with the MWC.

I think the course they take is trying to restock the Pac as a BOR league with the best shot at the 5th autobid.

I still think a PAC merger with the MWC and Oregon State and Washington State taking Gonzaga so the conference is 14 all sports schools as Hawaii is only going to be football only.

Merge with the MWC and pick off the best AAC schools. That is the only way to do it. Because the MWC and AAC have the leverage in not losing schools from leaving the conference for another conference that have no media deal.

No way a single AAC team leaves for the PAC2 with the ACC on the brink of collapse.

(12-21-2023 03:44 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:28 PM)inutech Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:22 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 03:04 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(12-21-2023 02:55 PM)inutech Wrote:  If I'm them, I'm focusing all energy on big budgets and/or big cities.

Best case is this:

OSU
WSU
FIU
Liberty
UMass
Rice
NIU
SJSU
UNLV
Georgia State


Just tell me how that conference isn't still included in a P5.

Haha, yes I could see the CW paying almost $3M per team for that TV package.

That sounds high.

For those #marketz?

Seemed really low to me.

Barring OSU/WSU what's the average that those teams are pulling right now? I rest my case.

There are lots of silly ideas presented on this forum, often with serious intent and that makes it hard to spot the ones that aren't.

If you think that I think that conference listed above is in any way a good or desirable outcome, I have communicated poorly.

I voted for Merge with the Mountain West. The MWC is not going to give them another two years. Either they are in with the next media deal or they are out. And besides that there won't be any more CFP money to dip into for these schools to payoff the MWC for continued scheduling alliance.

Note, I don't think the Pac-12 name will be taken by the conference. The need for legal fiction will be passed, and the value of the name will be pretty much gone by 2026. While this board has many hot to trot for a G5 conference to be named Pac-12, the MWC membership is lukewarm for a couple of reasons. First the whole point was so schools could associate with prestige of the flagships Cal, UCLA, Washington and Colorado, as well as USC and Stanford; but those schools are all gone, making it hollow. Second the autonomous status and access of the Pac-12 are gone. Beyond that the Mountain West has built up its own brand and the value of a change is not necessarily beneficial -- their network partners would pretty much have to tell them it is worth some money for them to change, which I doubt they will.

There is a chance the schools, especially Oregon State, will want to kick the can down the road a few more years in the hope of joining a P4 conference, specifically the Big 12. It is a mistake to think the two are tied at the hip. Oregon State is far more likely to partner with San Diego State or Gonzaga, whichever works better, to try and coax a Big 12 invite. They already tried that once.

(12-21-2023 01:50 PM)msu35 Wrote:  I can't see how the 2PAC will pull teams from the AAC receiving a full share.

I don't either. What media company will pay for it?

I could be surprised, but I don't think anything they could put together would be more than marginally ahead of what the AAC makes now. I don't think anyone but UConn and USF, who are too far east, Boise St. and Memphis are valuable enough to move the needle.

(12-21-2023 02:55 PM)inutech Wrote:  If I'm them, I'm focusing all energy on big budgets and/or big cities.

Best case is this:

OSU
WSU
FIU
Liberty
UMass
Rice
NIU
SJSU
UNLV
Georgia State


Just tell me how that conference isn't still included in a P5.

The AAC has tried that already...that's what got them to where they are today...their top programs left for P5 conferences anyways...the AAC was not even interested in OSU/WSU when OSU/WSU was looking for landing spots as possible options because of travel concerns...

(12-21-2023 05:28 PM)46566 Wrote:  I still think a PAC merger with the MWC and Oregon State and Washington State taking Gonzaga so the conference is 14 all sports schools as Hawaii is only going to be football only.

LIKE ^^^

(12-21-2023 06:30 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I voted for Merge with the Mountain West. The MWC is not going to give them another two years. Either they are in with the next media deal or they are out. And besides that there won't be any more CFP money to dip into for these schools to payoff the MWC for continued scheduling alliance.

Note, I don't think the Pac-12 name will be taken by the conference. The need for legal fiction will be passed, and the value of the name will be pretty much gone by 2026. While this board has many hot to trot for a G5 conference to be named Pac-12, the MWC membership is lukewarm for a couple of reasons. First the whole point was so schools could associate with prestige of the flagships Cal, UCLA, Washington and Colorado, as well as USC and Stanford; but those schools are all gone, making it hollow. Second the autonomous status and access of the Pac-12 are gone. Beyond that the Mountain West has built up its own brand and the value of a change is not necessarily beneficial -- their network partners would pretty much have to tell them it is worth some money for them to change, which I doubt they will.

There is a chance the schools, especially Oregon State, will want to kick the can down the road a few more years in the hope of joining a P4 conference, specifically the Big 12. It is a mistake to think the two are tied at the hip. Oregon State is far more likely to partner with San Diego State or Gonzaga, whichever works better, to try and coax a Big 12 invite. They already tried that once.

I think they will keep the Pac name. Hopefully they dump the numbers. Pac 12 was only around for a dozen years. Pac 10 was around for over 30. Pac 8 for a dozen or so years.

Recruit to the new PacWest. Give the Pac's TV assets to ESPN in exchange for help forming an area network (thinking a future ESPN bundle independent of Disney and a forthcoming ESPN streaming option here). Also don't see it as too far fetch that they could convince ESPN to offer a competing offer against the current Fox/CBS exclusive negotiating window with the MW help bring in the MW schools to a new PacWest. After all ESPN will want to have some late night live games (west coast) on Saturday night (highly doubt it is fair to ask an ACC school to come to the west coast to play @ 10pm eastern). Also, remember USC, UCLA, Oregon, Wash will likely continue to play some games against current MW competition. Currently a lot of those contracts break down as 2 @ home and 1 away so the home games of the MW teams, OSU & WSU could bring in a few late night viewers.....

And "IF" football should decide to separate into its own entity (this be a little more clearer two years down the road)... you would have a nice little place to park the "everything else" sports.