And how does this benefit 103 schools in the subdivision? Or does it only benefit the top 30?

(12-05-2023 10:12 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  And how does this benefit 103 schools in the subdivision? Or does it only benefit the top 30?

(12-05-2023 10:12 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  And how does this benefit 103 schools in the subdivision? Or does it only benefit the top 30?

It benefits schools in the Big 10 and SEC. Plus a few higher payers in the ACC and Big 12.

The rest of us? Not so much

…. … aaaaaand here we go.

Do you see any G5s trying to fit into this system? Legacy AAC? Liberty?

Just do it already. None of us are going to add an additional $5 million per year for athletes salaries on top of the NIL money, and booster money. And most states won't allow, nor pony up that kind of money for a non-flagship. Rip off the bandaid and lets get back to reasonable, legit old school college football.

We were one season away from being included in the playoffs. And since it was the the top 5 conference champs, we were getting two “G5” teams in.

Of course they want to blow it up before that happens.

(12-05-2023 10:24 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 10:14 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 10:12 AM)ericsaid Wrote:  And how does this benefit 103 schools in the subdivision? Or does it only benefit the top 30?

It benefits schools in the Big 10 and SEC. Plus a few higher payers in the ACC and Big 12.

The rest of us? Not so much

Do you see any G5s trying to fit into this system? Legacy AAC? Liberty?

Liberty could do it, and Memphis probably has the Fed Ex money to pull it off. But I doubt any others could. Maybe Boise, but I don't see it because the issue is you have to pay all sports, not just football, and you have to give 50 percent of it to Women's athletes.

The issue for most of us at the G5 level is that while we all have one sport we're good enough at that we can get money to pay those athletes, we don't have the same support for other sports. Coastal Carolina, for example, gets as of last check a lot of donations ear marked for baseball because they won a Natty a few years ago, but they don't have the donors to pay Men's Basketball.

(12-05-2023 10:24 AM)rokamortis Wrote:  Do you see any G5s trying to fit into this system? Legacy AAC? Liberty?

Memphis and Liberty. Maybe a few others, but the P5 has scooped up most of the big money + big market combos already. The P5 G5 separation is nearly complete in that regard.

https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-proposing-...kMW8PuhIC5

Schools in the new subdivision would also gain control of decision-making around scholarship limits and countable coaches, the NCAA's way of handing major conference programs the freedom to increase the limits or do away with them altogether.

The model “gives the educational institutions with the most visibility, the most financial resources and the biggest brands an opportunity to choose to operate with a different set of rules that more accurately reflect their scale and their operating model,” he writes.

This will only accelerate the farming of G5 players.

We know schools like Georgia, Alabama, and Ohio State are behind this but it’ll be interesting to see what schools like Vandy, Boston College, Mississippi St, etc do.

The NCAA getting out ahead of the long awaited split which would become essentially the P2 with modifications.
Yes, Liberty will be able to thrive in this as well.

I say this only works if the P4 breakaway subsidizes the lower subdivision. They making money hand over fist, kicking some out so they can make even more, they need to share the wealth.

The one thing about the idea is that it does kind of fly in the face of what much of the State and Federal Governments is trying to do. Many Southern States already have laws on the books prohibiting direct payments from the University to College Athletes.

online tuition at liberty just went up.

Also they are replacing all instructors with Christian AI to generate all class materials.

actually that last bit would save everyone a ton of time.

(12-05-2023 10:32 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  We know schools like Georgia, Alabama, and Ohio State are behind this but it’ll be interesting to see what schools like Vandy, Boston College, Mississippi St, etc do.

I would think any school with P5 money can afford it. Schools like Cincy, UCF etc just got a $30 million raise. They're used to doing it with less, so just take a $24 million raise instead and put the extra $6 million in the kitty to stay in the highest division.

(12-05-2023 10:31 AM)TheEagleWay Wrote:  https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-proposing-...kMW8PuhIC5

Schools in the new subdivision would also gain control of decision-making around scholarship limits and countable coaches, the NCAA's way of handing major conference programs the freedom to increase the limits or do away with them altogether.

The model “gives the educational institutions with the most visibility, the most financial resources and the biggest brands an opportunity to choose to operate with a different set of rules that more accurately reflect their scale and their operating model,” he writes.

This will only accelerate the farming of G5 players.

And imagine if the P2 make it so each team can carry 150 team roster or something. The rest of us would have is to add buyout clauses to our players and sign them to four year scholarships.

We know this is to exclude G5 programs from the College Football Playoff but what does this mean for sports where there is more parity across D1 like basketball? Will schools like Villanova and Gonzaga be excluded? What about baseball? Soccer?

(12-05-2023 10:52 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  We know this is to exclude G5 programs from the College Football Playoff but what does this mean for sports where there is more parity across D1 like basketball? Will schools like Villanova and Gonzaga be excluded? What about baseball? Soccer?

Likely yes, My honest read is that the big schools are tired of competing against Gonzaga.