Then the G5 needs to come together (collective bargaining) and require a minimum of $5million/game to play any G5 team.

Too bad university endowment doesn’t correlate with how much a school is able to spend on athletes.

Endowment
USA $667,000,000
TXST $342,000,000
GS $277,000,000
ODU $266,000,000
ULL $232,000,000
TROY $192,000,000
MARSHALL $192,000,000
GSU $179,000,000
JMU $155,000,000
APP $150,000,000
USM $136,000,000
ARKANSAS ST $113.000.000
ULM $73,000,000
CCU $55,000,000

(12-05-2023 12:23 PM)Johnnychimpo Wrote:  Too bad university endowment doesn’t correlate with how much a school is able to spend on athletes.

Endowment
USA $667,000,000
TXST $342,000,000
GS $277,000,000
ODU $266,000,000
ULL $232,000,000
TROY $192,000,000
MARSHALL $192,000,000
GSU $179,000,000
JMU $155,000,000
APP $150,000,000
USM $136,000,000
ARKANSAS ST $113.000.000
ULM $73,000,000
CCU $55,000,000

What the heck South? Ya'll got a side gig on Etsy or something?

(12-05-2023 12:25 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 12:23 PM)Johnnychimpo Wrote:  Too bad university endowment doesn’t correlate with how much a school is able to spend on athletes.

Endowment
USA $667,000,000
TXST $342,000,000
GS $277,000,000
ODU $266,000,000
ULL $232,000,000
TROY $192,000,000
MARSHALL $192,000,000
GSU $179,000,000
JMU $155,000,000
APP $150,000,000
USM $136,000,000
ARKANSAS ST $113.000.000
ULM $73,000,000
CCU $55,000,000

What the heck South? Ya'll got a side gig on Etsy or something?

OnlyCousins. It's huge in Alabama. (And Kentucky..)

Pretty sure USA has to share that endowment with the other state schools in Alabama or other schools in the system or something like that. I’m sure other schools have shared endowments as well.

(12-05-2023 12:36 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 12:25 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 12:23 PM)Johnnychimpo Wrote:  Too bad university endowment doesn’t correlate with how much a school is able to spend on athletes.

Endowment
USA $667,000,000
TXST $342,000,000
GS $277,000,000
ODU $266,000,000
ULL $232,000,000
TROY $192,000,000
MARSHALL $192,000,000
GSU $179,000,000
JMU $155,000,000
APP $150,000,000
USM $136,000,000
ARKANSAS ST $113.000.000
ULM $73,000,000
CCU $55,000,000

What the heck South? Ya'll got a side gig on Etsy or something?

OnlyCousins. It's huge in Alabama. (And Kentucky..)

I thought it was OnlySiblings in bama. OnlyCousins is Kentucky and Arkansas

(12-05-2023 12:19 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  That could bite them in the butt. I think eventually sports media will stop making deals with an entire conference and start making deals with individual schools. I mean why should ESPN pay for Vanderbilt, Boston College and Rutgers when they only really want Alabama, Georgio, Ohio State and Michigan? Money is gonna get tight in the future as viewership is going down for all college sports. Hell you can see the decline with the viewership over the last couple of College Football National Championship games. ESPN will only pay for what they need, but sure they can give a smaller deal for Vandy and Boston College. They still get on TV, but who really watches those match-ups anyway?

Yep.

This is going to be like a fireworks display that slowly escalates into Armageddon. This is not going to end the way most of them think it will.

Keep me and the other people who love collegiate athletics a thousand miles away from this abomination.

If I were everyone I would just wait and see what happens without too much panic. The U.S. Government has to be watching and waiting before they also react. The NCAA is losing control but it doesn't mean we're all screwed over yet.

If this were to happen, like I did with the NFL years ago, I would stop watching these teams. I would just consider it the NFL minor league that plays their games at campus stadiums.

Collective bargaining sounds good for $5 million a game. Also, standard contract for awarding scholarships should include that if player transfers to one of these schools before graduating, any payments/NIL $ they receive will be forfeited to school they left. I don't know if this would fly, but there should be some type of protection that we should have from just having these teams pluck our best players, anytime they want.

(12-05-2023 12:46 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 12:36 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 12:25 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 12:23 PM)Johnnychimpo Wrote:  Too bad university endowment doesn’t correlate with how much a school is able to spend on athletes.

Endowment
USA $667,000,000
TXST $342,000,000
GS $277,000,000
ODU $266,000,000
ULL $232,000,000
TROY $192,000,000
MARSHALL $192,000,000
GSU $179,000,000
JMU $155,000,000
APP $150,000,000
USM $136,000,000
ARKANSAS ST $113.000.000
ULM $73,000,000
CCU $55,000,000

What the heck South? Ya'll got a side gig on Etsy or something?

OnlyCousins. It's huge in Alabama. (And Kentucky..)

I thought it was OnlySiblings in bama. OnlyCousins is Kentucky and Arkansas

Hearing App is starting an OnlyGoats...

(12-05-2023 12:13 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  Ive gotta think there are smaller schools with bad football that will happily pony up the money to stay in the big-revenue share / TV rights group

I feel like that's already what's happening with the bottom tier of the G5 that refuses to go to FCS because they want to stay at the highest level. But if the powers that be keep making it more expensive to stay here, some will get squeezed out.

(12-05-2023 11:27 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  This is just a cry for legislation. No chance this goes through.

Y’all should get your States AG right on it ……

…. Too soon ?

(12-05-2023 12:39 PM)Johnnychimpo Wrote:  Pretty sure USA has to share that endowment with the other state schools in Alabama or other schools in the system or something like that. I’m sure other schools have shared endowments as well.

This is not correct. South Alabama is its own system. We don’t take orders from anyone or share our endowment with anyone. South Alabama’s endowment is bolstered by land it owns and the fact we have a medical school. We actually just sold some land to the city of Mobile near the Brookley aeroplex giving them access to waterfront off Mobile Bay. They’ll be using the space for a park.

(12-05-2023 01:01 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  If I were everyone I would just wait and see what happens without too much panic. The U.S. Government has to be watching and waiting before they also react. The NCAA is losing control but it doesn't mean we're all screwed over yet.

…. now there’s an institution I trust to come up with a fair and equitable solution.

…. just ask Native Americans how they liked working with ‘em.

(12-05-2023 10:26 AM)monarx Wrote:  Just do it already. None of us are going to add an additional $5 million per year for athletes salaries on top of the NIL money, and booster money. And most states won't allow, nor pony up that kind of money for a non-flagship. Rip off the bandaid and lets get back to reasonable, legit old school college football.

I don't necessarily agree. There are costs associated with moving up to the new division, but there are also costs associated with not moving up to the new division:

- SBC's TV deal drops from ~$2M per school to something around $0 per school
- Bowl payouts are drastically reduced
- Guarantees are drastically reduced down to FCS levels (instead of collecting $1.5M to play Maryland, JMU would probably collect $500k)
- Chance at CFP payouts goes away
- Donations and NIL contributions likely decline

In other words, G5 schools are going to be left with a choice: step up spending to play with the top division or cut spending to remain behind. Spending at status quo levels will not be an option for most of the G5s left behind.

(12-05-2023 01:35 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 12:46 PM)WARDAWG93 Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 12:36 PM)freshtop Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 12:25 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 12:23 PM)Johnnychimpo Wrote:  Too bad university endowment doesn’t correlate with how much a school is able to spend on athletes.

Endowment
USA $667,000,000
TXST $342,000,000
GS $277,000,000
ODU $266,000,000
ULL $232,000,000
TROY $192,000,000
MARSHALL $192,000,000
GSU $179,000,000
JMU $155,000,000
APP $150,000,000
USM $136,000,000
ARKANSAS ST $113.000.000
ULM $73,000,000
CCU $55,000,000

What the heck South? Ya'll got a side gig on Etsy or something?

OnlyCousins. It's huge in Alabama. (And Kentucky..)

I thought it was OnlySiblings in bama. OnlyCousins is Kentucky and Arkansas

Hearing App is starting an OnlyGoats...

Here are a couple photos from their first shoot...

(12-05-2023 01:56 PM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 10:26 AM)monarx Wrote:  Just do it already. None of us are going to add an additional $5 million per year for athletes salaries on top of the NIL money, and booster money. And most states won't allow, nor pony up that kind of money for a non-flagship. Rip off the bandaid and lets get back to reasonable, legit old school college football.

I don't necessarily agree. There are costs associated with moving up to the new division, but there are also costs associated with not moving up to the new division:

- SBC's TV deal drops from ~$2M per school to something around $0 per school
- Bowl payouts are drastically reduced
- Guarantees are drastically reduced down to FCS levels (instead of collecting $1.5M to play Maryland, JMU would probably collect $500k)
- Chance at CFP payouts goes away
- Donations and NIL contributions likely decline

In other words, G5 schools are going to be left with a choice: step up spending to play with the top division or cut spending to remain behind. Spending at status quo levels will not be an option for most of the G5s left behind.

Well, a lot of that is speculation but from what I read regarding this possible new subdivision it seems like it will be designed to purposely cut out G5 schools. 5M or so for the $30K per 1/2 student athlete is just the bare minimum. Increased number of coaching positions, increased scholarship limits, school funded NIL. The price tag will be made to be out of reach in reality. If you only have enough to fund the small blind for one hand then you're sitting at the wrong table.

We all need to be raising hell over this

(12-05-2023 01:48 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 01:01 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  If I were everyone I would just wait and see what happens without too much panic. The U.S. Government has to be watching and waiting before they also react. The NCAA is losing control but it doesn't mean we're all screwed over yet.

…. now there’s an institution I trust to come up with a fair and equitable solution.

…. just ask Native Americans how they liked working with ‘em.

I didn't say they'd intervene in a fair or equitable way but I can't imagine they are going to just let collegiate athletics run wild.

(12-05-2023 02:11 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 01:56 PM)We Are the Dukes of JMU Wrote:  

(12-05-2023 10:26 AM)monarx Wrote:  Just do it already. None of us are going to add an additional $5 million per year for athletes salaries on top of the NIL money, and booster money. And most states won't allow, nor pony up that kind of money for a non-flagship. Rip off the bandaid and lets get back to reasonable, legit old school college football.

I don't necessarily agree. There are costs associated with moving up to the new division, but there are also costs associated with not moving up to the new division:

- SBC's TV deal drops from ~$2M per school to something around $0 per school
- Bowl payouts are drastically reduced
- Guarantees are drastically reduced down to FCS levels (instead of collecting $1.5M to play Maryland, JMU would probably collect $500k)
- Chance at CFP payouts goes away
- Donations and NIL contributions likely decline

In other words, G5 schools are going to be left with a choice: step up spending to play with the top division or cut spending to remain behind. Spending at status quo levels will not be an option for most of the G5s left behind.

Well, a lot of that is speculation but from what I read regarding this possible new subdivision it seems like it will be designed to purposely cut out G5 schools. 5M or so for the $30K per 1/2 student athlete is just the bare minimum. Increased number of coaching positions, increased scholarship limits, school funded NIL. The price tag will be made to be out of reach in reality. If you only have enough to fund the small blind for one hand then you're sitting at the wrong table.

I hear you, but I still think that a number of G5s will make the move.

Restructuring Division I will require a vote by all Division I presidents. I don't see any scenario where the rest of the division grants this new top subdivision unlimited autonomy.

I also foresee significant antitrust challenges if they try to implement the new subdivision in a way that is specifically intended to exclude all schools that don't currently have P5 media deals. Plenty of state flagships get left behind in that scenario, so I would expect legal action from states like CT, MA, DE, WY, NV, NM, and ID. I could see other states joining in, along with interests representing the service academies.

Bottom line, I can see a new division happening, but not in a format that permanently excludes new entrants.