(10-29-2023 08:16 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  You know it in your heart to be true.

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Lmao gtfo of here with that dude. Insane take

JMU has a great football team and the rule was created in 2017 before the transfer portal made it possible to do what they and other teams do. The days of building up a program through HS recruiting alone are gone. GaSt, stAte, and Coastal, South always had a pile of transfers on their teams but that was JUCO and some guys sitting out. JMU and Jax St (and the others) should be eligible for championship games, bowls, playoffs, etc.

(10-29-2023 08:46 AM)Eagles Cliff Wrote:  JMU has a great football team and the rule was created in 2017 before the transfer portal made it possible to do what they and other teams do. The days of building up a program through HS recruiting alone are gone. GaSt, stAte, and Coastal, South always had a pile of transfers on their teams but that was JUCO and some guys sitting out. JMU and Jax St (and the others) should be eligible for championship games, bowls, playoffs, etc.

The transfer portal thing for us is massively overblown.

The vast majority of our players are home grown.

We have a few transfer players sprinkled in, but not any more than anyone else, so it isn’t like that is providing us an advantage of the opposition.

And all but our qb and one DL are FCS transfers.

(10-29-2023 07:54 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  The only real issue I have with waiting until the end of the season to declare JMU eligible for a conference championship is that it retroactively changes the importance of all their games in the east.

Prior to conference play starting, every team in the east treated JMU as a cross divisional opponent, meaning a loss to JMU didn't matter as long as they still won their head to head matchups against other east teams.

Reality is, JMU wasn't a "must win" on any East teams schedule prior to conference play beginning.

It sucks that JMU has to sit at home, but unless it was declared pre-season it's a battle you're not likely to win.

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You don’t really believe this do you?

So you guys just weren’t up for our game? That’s why you got boat raced?

(10-29-2023 09:04 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 07:54 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  The only real issue I have with waiting until the end of the season to declare JMU eligible for a conference championship is that it retroactively changes the importance of all their games in the east.

Prior to conference play starting, every team in the east treated JMU as a cross divisional opponent, meaning a loss to JMU didn't matter as long as they still won their head to head matchups against other east teams.

Reality is, JMU wasn't a "must win" on any East teams schedule prior to conference play beginning.

It sucks that JMU has to sit at home, but unless it was declared pre-season it's a battle you're not likely to win.

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You don’t really believe this do you?

So you guys just weren’t up for our game? That’s why you got boat raced?

Yeah, idk what he’s smoking.

(10-29-2023 09:04 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 07:54 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  The only real issue I have with waiting until the end of the season to declare JMU eligible for a conference championship is that it retroactively changes the importance of all their games in the east.

Prior to conference play starting, every team in the east treated JMU as a cross divisional opponent, meaning a loss to JMU didn't matter as long as they still won their head to head matchups against other east teams.

Reality is, JMU wasn't a "must win" on any East teams schedule prior to conference play beginning.

It sucks that JMU has to sit at home, but unless it was declared pre-season it's a battle you're not likely to win.

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You don’t really believe this do you?

So you guys just weren’t up for our game? That’s why you got boat raced?

Yeah that's a terrible take. The games still counted, unless he has forgotten. Everyone knew what they were getting into.

(10-29-2023 09:09 AM)Xeonon Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 09:04 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 07:54 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  The only real issue I have with waiting until the end of the season to declare JMU eligible for a conference championship is that it retroactively changes the importance of all their games in the east.

Prior to conference play starting, every team in the east treated JMU as a cross divisional opponent, meaning a loss to JMU didn't matter as long as they still won their head to head matchups against other east teams.

Reality is, JMU wasn't a "must win" on any East teams schedule prior to conference play beginning.

It sucks that JMU has to sit at home, but unless it was declared pre-season it's a battle you're not likely to win.

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You don’t really believe this do you?

So you guys just weren’t up for our game? That’s why you got boat raced?

Yeah, idk what he’s smoking.

I’m starting to understand why we’ve come into this conference and been so successful since day one.

Heard the same from coastal last year.
Now ga southern.
Odu is celebrating covering the spread.

Cringe.

Nobody associated with jmu….coaches, players, admin, alumni, students, fans….would ever settle for such a mentality.

TBA is correct. The biggest lie of coach speak is that the next game is the most important. If you think your coach sees games like that you're naive. I honestly think JMU would've hammered Virginia if they had UConn the following week instead of the biggest conference game of the year. Similar thing with Liberty squeaking by a winless Sam Houston before playing Jax State and Tulane playing a fourth-quarter game against UAB before facing Memphis, or ODU squeaking by USM before playing App.

My "compromise" position...you create a "trigger" condition. If at the end of the regular-season JMU is undefeated and there aren't enough bowl-eligible teams to fill the slots, JMU becomes eligible for the title. I think it's a bad look if the "default" position is JMU isn't eligible and you change the rules while the season is going on. This should have been decided before the season started. I say this knowing Georgia State could very well still win the division, which would make me want to vomit but the principle is the same.

(10-29-2023 09:14 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  TBA is correct. The biggest lie of coach speak is that the next game is the most important. If you think your coach sees games like that you're naive. I honestly think JMU would've hammered Virginia if they had UConn the following week instead of the biggest conference game of the year. Similar thing with Liberty squeaking by a winless Sam Houston before playing Jax State and Tulane playing a fourth-quarter game against UAB before facing Memphis, or ODU squeaking by USM before playing App.

My "compromise" position...you create a "trigger" condition. If at the end of the regular-season JMU is undefeated and there aren't enough bowl-eligible teams to fill the slots, JMU becomes eligible for the title. I think it's a bad look if the "default" position is JMU isn't eligible and you change the rules while the season is going on. This should have been decided before the season started. I say this knowing Georgia State could very well still win the division, which would make me want to vomit but the principle is the same.

Brother your eagles didn’t lose to us because we aren’t bowl eligible. You weren’t looking ahead to your next game (ULM lol). You got beat because we’re a better team. And you still would’ve gotten beat if we were declared eligible preseason. This is like some weird coping mechanism

(10-29-2023 09:12 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 09:09 AM)Xeonon Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 09:04 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 07:54 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  The only real issue I have with waiting until the end of the season to declare JMU eligible for a conference championship is that it retroactively changes the importance of all their games in the east.

Prior to conference play starting, every team in the east treated JMU as a cross divisional opponent, meaning a loss to JMU didn't matter as long as they still won their head to head matchups against other east teams.

Reality is, JMU wasn't a "must win" on any East teams schedule prior to conference play beginning.

It sucks that JMU has to sit at home, but unless it was declared pre-season it's a battle you're not likely to win.

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You don’t really believe this do you?

So you guys just weren’t up for our game? That’s why you got boat raced?

Yeah, idk what he’s smoking.

I’m starting to understand why we’ve come into this conference and been so successful since day one.

Heard the same from coastal last year.
Now ga southern.
Odu is celebrating covering the spread.

Cringe.

Nobody associated with jmu….coaches, players, admin, alumni, students, fans….would ever settle for such a mentality.

You’re an idiot and you’re lucky to have that win last night.

(10-29-2023 09:21 AM)James Madison Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 09:14 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  TBA is correct. The biggest lie of coach speak is that the next game is the most important. If you think your coach sees games like that you're naive. I honestly think JMU would've hammered Virginia if they had UConn the following week instead of the biggest conference game of the year. Similar thing with Liberty squeaking by a winless Sam Houston before playing Jax State and Tulane playing a fourth-quarter game against UAB before facing Memphis, or ODU squeaking by USM before playing App.

My "compromise" position...you create a "trigger" condition. If at the end of the regular-season JMU is undefeated and there aren't enough bowl-eligible teams to fill the slots, JMU becomes eligible for the title. I think it's a bad look if the "default" position is JMU isn't eligible and you change the rules while the season is going on. This should have been decided before the season started. I say this knowing Georgia State could very well still win the division, which would make me want to vomit but the principle is the same.

Brother your eagles didn’t lose to us because we aren’t bowl eligible. You weren’t looking ahead to your next game (ULM lol). You got beat because we’re a better team. And you still would’ve gotten beat if we were declared eligible preseason. This is like some weird coping mechanism

Good lord, now there’s two Eagles who think like this

(10-29-2023 09:23 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 09:12 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 09:09 AM)Xeonon Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 09:04 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 07:54 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  The only real issue I have with waiting until the end of the season to declare JMU eligible for a conference championship is that it retroactively changes the importance of all their games in the east.

Prior to conference play starting, every team in the east treated JMU as a cross divisional opponent, meaning a loss to JMU didn't matter as long as they still won their head to head matchups against other east teams.

Reality is, JMU wasn't a "must win" on any East teams schedule prior to conference play beginning.

It sucks that JMU has to sit at home, but unless it was declared pre-season it's a battle you're not likely to win.

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You don’t really believe this do you?

So you guys just weren’t up for our game? That’s why you got boat raced?

Yeah, idk what he’s smoking.

I’m starting to understand why we’ve come into this conference and been so successful since day one.

Heard the same from coastal last year.
Now ga southern.
Odu is celebrating covering the spread.

Cringe.

Nobody associated with jmu….coaches, players, admin, alumni, students, fans….would ever settle for such a mentality.

You’re an idiot and you’re lucky to have that win last night.

L

(10-29-2023 09:21 AM)James Madison Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 09:14 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  TBA is correct. The biggest lie of coach speak is that the next game is the most important. If you think your coach sees games like that you're naive. I honestly think JMU would've hammered Virginia if they had UConn the following week instead of the biggest conference game of the year. Similar thing with Liberty squeaking by a winless Sam Houston before playing Jax State and Tulane playing a fourth-quarter game against UAB before facing Memphis, or ODU squeaking by USM before playing App.

My "compromise" position...you create a "trigger" condition. If at the end of the regular-season JMU is undefeated and there aren't enough bowl-eligible teams to fill the slots, JMU becomes eligible for the title. I think it's a bad look if the "default" position is JMU isn't eligible and you change the rules while the season is going on. This should have been decided before the season started. I say this knowing Georgia State could very well still win the division, which would make me want to vomit but the principle is the same.

Brother your eagles didn’t lose to us because we aren’t bowl eligible. You weren’t looking ahead to your next game (ULM lol). You got beat because we’re a better team. And you still would’ve gotten beat if we were declared eligible preseason. This is like some weird coping mechanism

You're reading subtext that's not there. I don't think we would've won if you weren't eligible and the score might not have even been that much closer but hypotheticals don't matter.

And let's be real, a lot of fans of other teams would be singing a different tune if they were in a good spot in the East division race. I think it would be funny to see Georgia State screwed out of an east division title by a late vote but the principle is the same. Agree with the principle of not all games being equally important or not, you still get can't get away from the optics of change what was agreed to preseason in November.

All I hear is excuses. Play the damn games. None of this "we would have approached the game differently" nonsense. I'm not a fan of changing things mid season either, but it's loser mentality to not approach every game like it matters.

Most of you are just being petty because you lost. Some of you got boatraced...

(10-29-2023 09:43 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  All I hear is excuses. Play the damn games. None of this "we would have approached the game differently" nonsense. I'm not a fan of changing things mid season either, but it's loser mentality to not approach every game like it matters.

Most of you are just being petty because you lost. Some of you got boatraced...

And this is why jmu and Troy have been the two best teams the last two years.

No excuses. Just win.

(10-29-2023 09:43 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 09:21 AM)James Madison Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 09:14 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  TBA is correct. The biggest lie of coach speak is that the next game is the most important. If you think your coach sees games like that you're naive. I honestly think JMU would've hammered Virginia if they had UConn the following week instead of the biggest conference game of the year. Similar thing with Liberty squeaking by a winless Sam Houston before playing Jax State and Tulane playing a fourth-quarter game against UAB before facing Memphis, or ODU squeaking by USM before playing App.

My "compromise" position...you create a "trigger" condition. If at the end of the regular-season JMU is undefeated and there aren't enough bowl-eligible teams to fill the slots, JMU becomes eligible for the title. I think it's a bad look if the "default" position is JMU isn't eligible and you change the rules while the season is going on. This should have been decided before the season started. I say this knowing Georgia State could very well still win the division, which would make me want to vomit but the principle is the same.

Brother your eagles didn’t lose to us because we aren’t bowl eligible. You weren’t looking ahead to your next game (ULM lol). You got beat because we’re a better team. And you still would’ve gotten beat if we were declared eligible preseason. This is like some weird coping mechanism

You're reading subtext that's not there. I don't think we would've won if you weren't eligible and the score might not have even been that much closer but hypotheticals don't matter.

And let's be real, a lot of fans of other teams would be singing a different tune if they were in a good spot in the East division race. I think it would be funny to see Georgia State screwed out of an east division title by a late vote but the principle is the same. Agree with the principle of not all games being equally important or not, you still get can't get away from the optics of change what was agreed to preseason in November.

Was a decision made preseason? I know last year it was but never saw anything about it this year

(10-29-2023 09:12 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 09:09 AM)Xeonon Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 09:04 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 07:54 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  The only real issue I have with waiting until the end of the season to declare JMU eligible for a conference championship is that it retroactively changes the importance of all their games in the east.

Prior to conference play starting, every team in the east treated JMU as a cross divisional opponent, meaning a loss to JMU didn't matter as long as they still won their head to head matchups against other east teams.

Reality is, JMU wasn't a "must win" on any East teams schedule prior to conference play beginning.

It sucks that JMU has to sit at home, but unless it was declared pre-season it's a battle you're not likely to win.

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You don’t really believe this do you?

So you guys just weren’t up for our game? That’s why you got boat raced?

Yeah, idk what he’s smoking.

I’m starting to understand why we’ve come into this conference and been so successful since day one.

Heard the same from coastal last year.
Now ga southern.
Odu is celebrating covering the spread.

Cringe.

Nobody associated with jmu….coaches, players, admin, alumni, students, fans….would ever settle for such a mentality.

You're too young of a program to know what it's like to go through a coaching downturn, believe me it will happen.

Marshall came into FBS on fire in the late 90s early 2000s, then had a coaching downturn.
It happens to literally everybody and it will happen to JMU in the very near future.

(10-29-2023 09:12 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 09:09 AM)Xeonon Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 09:04 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  

(10-29-2023 07:54 AM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  The only real issue I have with waiting until the end of the season to declare JMU eligible for a conference championship is that it retroactively changes the importance of all their games in the east.

Prior to conference play starting, every team in the east treated JMU as a cross divisional opponent, meaning a loss to JMU didn't matter as long as they still won their head to head matchups against other east teams.

Reality is, JMU wasn't a "must win" on any East teams schedule prior to conference play beginning.

It sucks that JMU has to sit at home, but unless it was declared pre-season it's a battle you're not likely to win.

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You don’t really believe this do you?

So you guys just weren’t up for our game? That’s why you got boat raced?

Yeah, idk what he’s smoking.

I’m starting to understand why we’ve come into this conference and been so successful since day one.

Heard the same from coastal last year.
Now ga southern.
Odu is celebrating covering the spread.

Cringe.

Nobody associated with jmu….coaches, players, admin, alumni, students, fans….would ever settle for such a mentality.

That line in bold print above is not even remotely close to being true. JMU was fortunate to get the win last night.

(10-29-2023 09:43 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  All I hear is excuses. Play the damn games. None of this "we would have approached the game differently" nonsense. I'm not a fan of changing things mid season either, but it's loser mentality to not approach every game like it matters.

Most of you are just being petty because you lost. Some of you got boatraced...

All I hear is arguments from self-interest. Of course JMU fans want a vote from the presumed default, that's not hard to understand. And if I'm a Troy fan and felt like JMU was a game we should've won and watching them against ODU I might want to play them again rather than against GS who just beat Georgia State by 17 and will be different offensively than anything Troy has faced all season. Of course GS fans are the only ones objecting but at least there's a real argument from principle and you just said "I'm not a fan of changing things mid season either".

BTW, your team barely got by a bad Texas State the week before going on the road to play South last year. It would be hard to argue your team didn't approach that game differently. Like it or not that's a reality of the profession and even though probably even none of our fans think we beat JMU if they're eligible you don't make decisions on hypotheticals. That's not *the* reason I think you don't make a change, but it's one of them. I was just saying I agreed with TBA.

(10-29-2023 09:43 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  All I hear is excuses. Play the damn games. None of this "we would have approached the game differently" nonsense. I'm not a fan of changing things mid season either, but it's loser mentality to not approach every game like it matters.

Most of you are just being petty because you lost. Some of you got boatraced...

(10-29-2023 10:40 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  All I hear is arguments from self-interest. Of course JMU fans want a vote from the presumed default, that's not hard to understand. And if I'm a Troy fan and felt like JMU was a game we should've won and watching them against ODU I might want to play them again rather than against GS who just beat Georgia State by 17 and will be different offensively than anything Troy has faced all season. Of course GS fans are the only ones objecting but at least there's a real argument from principle and you just said "I'm not a fan of changing things mid season either".

This is something you've been thinking about, not me. I haven't given that scenario much thought. If you read the thread, I've already stated it's time to put the JMU game behind us. A rematch would be nice, but with our defense, I really don't care who it is. But I suspect you just really wanted to make this about Troy/GS.

(10-29-2023 10:40 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  BTW, your team barely got by a bad Texas State the week before going on the road to play South last year. It would be hard to argue your team didn't approach that game differently. Like it or not that's a reality of the profession and even though probably even none of our fans think we beat JMU if they're eligible you don't make decisions on hypotheticals. That's not *the* reason I think you don't make a change, but it's one of them. I was just saying I agreed with TBA.

Again, why all of the sudden is this about Troy? Yes, scheduling situations do impact games, but it's also WELL KNOWN by the coaching community. They would rather coach through adversity. You would have them remove it.

GS didn't get boatraced by JMU because they were looking ahead to GSU, JMU simply had your number that night. You are under the impression that no one can shut down your offense. I am here to tell you that's false. Your style of offense likely doesn't play well with their style of defense.