(10-28-2023 03:10 PM)GreenDaddy Wrote:  I'm inclined to say no to separating. A lot of us put A LOT of money and time into being where we are. There is no desire to completely sever ourselves from the bigger schools.

There is one point that I kind of agree with though. None of us will ever have a realistic shot at a national championship. We all knock off our share of P5's every year, but truly running a playoff gauntlet of Bama, LSU, Ohio State, etc for 3 consecutive rounds is nearly impossible. Those schools are bringing in $100 million more than us every single year to now legally buy players. The deck is completely stacked against us. I think they will seed the G5 champion as a 10-12 every year make it a quick first round exit most of the time.

I still like the idea of a G5 championship game (2 highest ranked G5 conference champs) replacing one of the meaningless bowl games, with the winner getting the auto bid to the CFP.

It gives the kids a legit shot at another championship banner to chase, but doesn't separate us from the highest level of football. It would also help eliminate some of the AAC bias we have seen over the years for the access bowl spot.

I like that idea as well. Just do it early on, so the winner has time to recover before the playoff. In fact, that might be a very cool way to have a major bowl earlier in the season that could actually draw national interest.

(10-30-2023 09:08 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 03:10 PM)GreenDaddy Wrote:  I'm inclined to say no to separating. A lot of us put A LOT of money and time into being where we are. There is no desire to completely sever ourselves from the bigger schools.

There is one point that I kind of agree with though. None of us will ever have a realistic shot at a national championship. We all knock off our share of P5's every year, but truly running a playoff gauntlet of Bama, LSU, Ohio State, etc for 3 consecutive rounds is nearly impossible. Those schools are bringing in $100 million more than us every single year to now legally buy players. The deck is completely stacked against us. I think they will seed the G5 champion as a 10-12 every year make it a quick first round exit most of the time.

I still like the idea of a G5 championship game (2 highest ranked G5 conference champs) replacing one of the meaningless bowl games, with the winner getting the auto bid to the CFP.

It gives the kids a legit shot at another championship banner to chase, but doesn't separate us from the highest level of football. It would also help eliminate some of the AAC bias we have seen over the years for the access bowl spot.

I like that idea as well. Just do it early on, so the winner has time to recover before the playoff. In fact, that might be a very cool way to have a major bowl earlier in the season that could actually draw national interest.

That's kind of what I thought as well. Play it in early December and have 2 week rest period prior to the playoff starting. I am sure ESPN would love to have something like that.

I just get tired of the access bowl going automatically to the team from the perceived best conference. It hasn't been a problem most years but I can think of a few instances that some teams didn't have a shot to prove they were the best G5 just because they didn't play in the AAC.

A few years back a 12-1 App State that had 2 P5 road wins (UNC and South Carolina) didn't get the bid because it was automatically handed to a 12-1 AAC team. Was App State better? Idk, we never will know. In 2014 Marshall was better than Boise, but played one bad game against WKU ant the end of the season and boom, we were out of contention.

If we had a championship game it would at least make it a little more fair as to who gets the CFP spot moving forward.

I understand everyone's concerns about adding an additional game though. It is a valid point.

I think some teams should separate themselves from the FBS including some P5's. That is the real solution that nobody is going to take.

I don't know what the schools that have been FBS for decades think of this but coming from the perspective of a fan from a school stuck in FCS for at least a decade longer than we should have been I think the idea of splitting the G5 off stinks. We didn't make it to the highest level of college football just to be officially relegated back to a level below. I know the big conferences like the SEC are still will above us by many meaningful measurements but at least we are all FBS.

(10-30-2023 09:30 AM)GreenDaddy Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 09:08 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 03:10 PM)GreenDaddy Wrote:  I'm inclined to say no to separating. A lot of us put A LOT of money and time into being where we are. There is no desire to completely sever ourselves from the bigger schools.

There is one point that I kind of agree with though. None of us will ever have a realistic shot at a national championship. We all knock off our share of P5's every year, but truly running a playoff gauntlet of Bama, LSU, Ohio State, etc for 3 consecutive rounds is nearly impossible. Those schools are bringing in $100 million more than us every single year to now legally buy players. The deck is completely stacked against us. I think they will seed the G5 champion as a 10-12 every year make it a quick first round exit most of the time.

I still like the idea of a G5 championship game (2 highest ranked G5 conference champs) replacing one of the meaningless bowl games, with the winner getting the auto bid to the CFP.

It gives the kids a legit shot at another championship banner to chase, but doesn't separate us from the highest level of football. It would also help eliminate some of the AAC bias we have seen over the years for the access bowl spot.

I like that idea as well. Just do it early on, so the winner has time to recover before the playoff. In fact, that might be a very cool way to have a major bowl earlier in the season that could actually draw national interest.

That's kind of what I thought as well. Play it in early December and have 2 week rest period prior to the playoff starting. I am sure ESPN would love to have something like that.

I just get tired of the access bowl going automatically to the team from the perceived best conference. It hasn't been a problem most years but I can think of a few instances that some teams didn't have a shot to prove they were the best G5 just because they didn't play in the AAC.

A few years back a 12-1 App State that had 2 P5 road wins (UNC and South Carolina) didn't get the bid because it was automatically handed to a 12-1 AAC team. Was App State better? Idk, we never will know. In 2014 Marshall was better than Boise, but played one bad game against WKU ant the end of the season and boom, we were out of contention.

If we had a championship game it would at least make it a little more fair as to who gets the CFP spot moving forward.

I understand everyone's concerns about adding an additional game though. It is a valid point.

I also think its outrageous when an undefeated team (not in transition) doesn't even have a chance to play for a championship. Take Liberty this year for example. I know many dont like them, Im not a huge fan myself, but if they run the table they should get a chance. SOS shouldn't matter that much. Championships should not be determined by the scheduling makers and conference affiliation. Having 2 G5 champions play should keep that from happening most seasons. Having a playoff with all FBS champions would guarantee it wouldn't happen ever. Id almost be in favor of a 4 team G5 champ playoff for the access spot, but adding 2 more games right before playing in the big playoff seems like too much to ask for anyone.

(10-30-2023 02:01 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 09:30 AM)GreenDaddy Wrote:  

(10-30-2023 09:08 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(10-28-2023 03:10 PM)GreenDaddy Wrote:  I'm inclined to say no to separating. A lot of us put A LOT of money and time into being where we are. There is no desire to completely sever ourselves from the bigger schools.

There is one point that I kind of agree with though. None of us will ever have a realistic shot at a national championship. We all knock off our share of P5's every year, but truly running a playoff gauntlet of Bama, LSU, Ohio State, etc for 3 consecutive rounds is nearly impossible. Those schools are bringing in $100 million more than us every single year to now legally buy players. The deck is completely stacked against us. I think they will seed the G5 champion as a 10-12 every year make it a quick first round exit most of the time.

I still like the idea of a G5 championship game (2 highest ranked G5 conference champs) replacing one of the meaningless bowl games, with the winner getting the auto bid to the CFP.

It gives the kids a legit shot at another championship banner to chase, but doesn't separate us from the highest level of football. It would also help eliminate some of the AAC bias we have seen over the years for the access bowl spot.

I like that idea as well. Just do it early on, so the winner has time to recover before the playoff. In fact, that might be a very cool way to have a major bowl earlier in the season that could actually draw national interest.

That's kind of what I thought as well. Play it in early December and have 2 week rest period prior to the playoff starting. I am sure ESPN would love to have something like that.

I just get tired of the access bowl going automatically to the team from the perceived best conference. It hasn't been a problem most years but I can think of a few instances that some teams didn't have a shot to prove they were the best G5 just because they didn't play in the AAC.

A few years back a 12-1 App State that had 2 P5 road wins (UNC and South Carolina) didn't get the bid because it was automatically handed to a 12-1 AAC team. Was App State better? Idk, we never will know. In 2014 Marshall was better than Boise, but played one bad game against WKU ant the end of the season and boom, we were out of contention.

If we had a championship game it would at least make it a little more fair as to who gets the CFP spot moving forward.

I understand everyone's concerns about adding an additional game though. It is a valid point.

I also think its outrageous when an undefeated team (not in transition) doesn't even have a chance to play for a championship. Take Liberty this year for example. I know many dont like them, Im not a huge fan myself, but if they run the table they should get a chance. SOS shouldn't matter that much. Championships should not be determined by the scheduling makers and conference affiliation. Having 2 G5 champions play should keep that from happening most seasons. Having a playoff with all FBS champions would guarantee it wouldn't happen ever. Id almost be in favor of a 4 team G5 champ playoff for the access spot, but adding 2 more games right before playing in the big playoff seems like too much to ask for anyone.

In a ideal world we consolidate FBS into 8 conferences and the champ from each of those plus 8 at large schools get a shot in a real playoff. The world is not ideal though...

I'd be on board.

If Georgia State wasn't G5.