(10-23-2023 07:46 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-22-2023 10:40 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  James Madison may be ineligible for the NY6 but might still be national champs! Would love that

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/17...ing_for_a/

You mean like ucf?

If they win out the SBC should really push for NCAA to allow them to play because they are their best bet for that NY6 bid.

Right now still looks like MWC with Air Force and Fresno or AAC with Tulane ,SMU as the main challengers

No reason they couldn’t claim the championship.

But without a top 10 win (or a ranked win)… their claim is not even in the same league as UCF’s somewhat legitimate argument.

I don’t think Boise is that good this year, but Air Force’s biggest remaining challenge is probably the final week of the regular season against them. I know UNLV is 6-1 with a win over an SEC team (vandy) but they’ve had a close call against CSU and really haven’t beaten anyone good. Michigan absolutely dismantled them when they played.

I think it’s pretty 50/50 whether or not Air Force runs the table. They don’t have a tough schedule but I could see CSU, UNLV and of course Boise tripping them up. CCG will be a tough opponent as well.

Tulane, with 1 loss, should be in over a one loss MWC team. Everyone knows they were without their QB and one of if not their best defensive players against Ole Miss. They will be given the benefit of the doubt, even if one of the other 1 loss schools has “better wins.”

(10-23-2023 09:52 AM)Nameless Wrote:  I don’t think Boise is that good this year, but Air Force’s biggest remaining challenge is probably the final week of the regular season against them. I know UNLV is 6-1 with a win over an SEC team (vandy) but they’ve had a close call against CSU and really haven’t beaten anyone good. Michigan absolutely dismantled them when they played.

I think it’s pretty 50/50 whether or not Air Force runs the table. They don’t have a tough schedule but I could see CSU, UNLV and of course Boise tripping them up. CCG will be a tough opponent as well.

Tulane, with 1 loss, should be in over a one loss MWC team. Everyone knows they were without their QB and one of if not their best defensive players against Ole Miss. They will be given the benefit of the doubt, even if one of the other 1 loss schools has “better wins.”

If Tulane wins out and wins AAC championship game, their only threat is an undefeated Air Force.

(10-23-2023 10:00 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-23-2023 09:52 AM)Nameless Wrote:  I don’t think Boise is that good this year, but Air Force’s biggest remaining challenge is probably the final week of the regular season against them. I know UNLV is 6-1 with a win over an SEC team (vandy) but they’ve had a close call against CSU and really haven’t beaten anyone good. Michigan absolutely dismantled them when they played.

I think it’s pretty 50/50 whether or not Air Force runs the table. They don’t have a tough schedule but I could see CSU, UNLV and of course Boise tripping them up. CCG will be a tough opponent as well.

Tulane, with 1 loss, should be in over a one loss MWC team. Everyone knows they were without their QB and one of if not their best defensive players against Ole Miss. They will be given the benefit of the doubt, even if one of the other 1 loss schools has “better wins.”

If Tulane wins out and wins AAC championship game, their only threat is an undefeated Air Force.

I think AF could afford a loss, depending on opponent, but I believe it would be tight.

(10-23-2023 10:05 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-23-2023 10:00 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-23-2023 09:52 AM)Nameless Wrote:  I don’t think Boise is that good this year, but Air Force’s biggest remaining challenge is probably the final week of the regular season against them. I know UNLV is 6-1 with a win over an SEC team (vandy) but they’ve had a close call against CSU and really haven’t beaten anyone good. Michigan absolutely dismantled them when they played.

I think it’s pretty 50/50 whether or not Air Force runs the table. They don’t have a tough schedule but I could see CSU, UNLV and of course Boise tripping them up. CCG will be a tough opponent as well.

Tulane, with 1 loss, should be in over a one loss MWC team. Everyone knows they were without their QB and one of if not their best defensive players against Ole Miss. They will be given the benefit of the doubt, even if one of the other 1 loss schools has “better wins.”

If Tulane wins out and wins AAC championship game, their only threat is an undefeated Air Force.

I think AF could afford a loss, depending on opponent, but I believe it would be tight.

There's no way that Air Force, with a G5 loss, goes over Tulane with zero G5 losses (and 1 loss to a ranked SEC team). It would even be more clear if we play a 2 loss Memphis (with losses only to Tulane and a tight loss to a ranked SEC Missouri) or SMU in the championship game.

Air Force still has to play on the road at Colorado State, Boise State, and Hawaii. There's a loss in there. Hawaii is bad, but they're known for pulling off upsets on the island.

Tulane can win out, but they'll have to be focused to win games against opponents like Rice this weekend. They can't afford to play poorly. They don't dominate anyone, so they'll have to play their best.

(10-23-2023 10:52 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Air Force still has to play on the road at Colorado State, Boise State, and Hawaii. There's a loss in there. Hawaii is bad, but they're known for pulling off upsets on the island.

Tulane can win out, but they'll have to be focused to win games against opponents like Rice this weekend. They can't afford to play poorly. They don't dominate anyone, so they'll have to play their best.

I’ve wondered for awhile now how much this has to do with the difference in time zone/travel. I realized when UConn was in the AAC how much travel seemed to affect the outcome of games. For example, I remember one season we beat SMU pretty easily at home, and they destroyed us when we played in their arena the same season (talking hoops here.) Both schools finished like 8th and 9th in the conference that year iirc, so it’s not like there was a huge talent disparity. Houston, even in their best years, seemed to struggle when coming all the way up to Hartford as well.

These are adults, but some are still teenagers. I’m willing to bet it’s not easy to be even 2-3 hours behind schedule and not let it impact your performance at that age.

(10-23-2023 10:52 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Air Force still has to play on the road at Colorado State, Boise State, and Hawaii. There's a loss in there. Hawaii is bad, but they're known for pulling off upsets on the island.

It's the mai tais on the beach, the night before.

(10-23-2023 12:15 AM)dcg141 Wrote:  If Ole Miss keeps winning they should pull Tulane up the polls with them

We need Ole Miss, Southern Alabama, and Okie State all playing in conference championships. Only way our SOS isn't dogshit.

(10-23-2023 07:46 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-22-2023 10:40 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  James Madison may be ineligible for the NY6 but might still be national champs! Would love that

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/17...ing_for_a/

You mean like ucf?

If they win out the SBC should really push for NCAA to allow them to play because they are their best bet for that NY6 bid.

Right now still looks like MWC with Air Force and Fresno or AAC with Tulane ,SMU as the main challengers

Would there be a push to change/break the rules fornthem if they were 5-2? Asking for a friend.

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(10-23-2023 08:33 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-23-2023 07:46 AM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(10-22-2023 10:40 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  James Madison may be ineligible for the NY6 but might still be national champs! Would love that

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/17...ing_for_a/

You mean like ucf?

If they win out the SBC should really push for NCAA to allow them to play because they are their best bet for that NY6 bid.

Right now still looks like MWC with Air Force and Fresno or AAC with Tulane ,SMU as the main challengers

Would there be a push to change/break the rules fornthem if they were 5-2? Asking for a friend.

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Probably no. But if you are the SBC and they finish unbeaten and could be them in the NY6 bowl representing the SBC or having a MWC or AAC in it. Would you not be pushing it hard?

(10-22-2023 10:40 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  James Madison may be ineligible for the NY6 but might still be national champs! Would love that

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/17...ing_for_a/

In the thread you linked, they make the argument that because the Colley Matrix deemed UCF the #1 team resulting in them "claiming" themselves to be the national champions, that James Madison could do the same. The very first reply notes that Notre Dame was ranked #1 in 2012 over Alabama, yet when they actually played Alabama, they lost 42-14. Yeah, the Colley Matrix sounds reliable to me.

Massey Composite as of this writing (136 sources)

Top five G-5 ranked schools
1. Air Force (20)
2. Tulane (28)
3. Liberty (31)
4. Troy (33)
5. Fresno St (38)

AAC also rans: SMU (48) and Memphis (49)

Top Ten G-5 Schools by Conference
AAC: 3 (Tulane, SMU, and Memphis)
MWC: 3 (AF, Fresno St. and WY)
SBC: 3 (James Madison [NY6 ineligible] GA St and Troy)
CUSA: 1 (Liberty)

(10-23-2023 10:48 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-22-2023 10:40 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  James Madison may be ineligible for the NY6 but might still be national champs! Would love that

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/17...ing_for_a/

In the thread you linked, they make the argument that because the Colley Matrix deemed UCF the #1 team resulting in them "claiming" themselves to be the national champions, that James Madison could do the same. The very first reply notes that Notre Dame was ranked #1 in 2012 over Alabama, yet when they actually played Alabama, they lost 42-14. Yeah, the Colley Matrix sounds reliable to me.

I cannot remember the details, but at least one of the NC's claimed by AL was based on a non-traditional source and yet no one disputes AL's claim.

(10-24-2023 07:51 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-23-2023 10:48 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-22-2023 10:40 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  James Madison may be ineligible for the NY6 but might still be national champs! Would love that

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/17...ing_for_a/

In the thread you linked, they make the argument that because the Colley Matrix deemed UCF the #1 team resulting in them "claiming" themselves to be the national champions, that James Madison could do the same. The very first reply notes that Notre Dame was ranked #1 in 2012 over Alabama, yet when they actually played Alabama, they lost 42-14. Yeah, the Colley Matrix sounds reliable to me.

I cannot remember the details, but at least one of the NC's claimed by AL was based on a non-traditional source and yet no one disputes AL's claim.

The Alabama brand has enough panache that one asterisk won't make much of a difference.

(10-24-2023 11:33 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-24-2023 07:51 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(10-23-2023 10:48 PM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-22-2023 10:40 PM)STL_Wave Wrote:  James Madison may be ineligible for the NY6 but might still be national champs! Would love that

https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/17...ing_for_a/

In the thread you linked, they make the argument that because the Colley Matrix deemed UCF the #1 team resulting in them "claiming" themselves to be the national champions, that James Madison could do the same. The very first reply notes that Notre Dame was ranked #1 in 2012 over Alabama, yet when they actually played Alabama, they lost 42-14. Yeah, the Colley Matrix sounds reliable to me.

I cannot remember the details, but at least one of the NC's claimed by AL was based on a non-traditional source and yet no one disputes AL's claim.

The Alabama brand has enough panache that one asterisk won't make much of a difference.

My point is if the pundits accept Alabama’s methodology, then they should - in fairness - accept a similar methodology from UCF.

(10-24-2023 11:40 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  My point is if the pundits accept Alabama’s methodology, then they should - in fairness - accept a similar methodology from UCF.

I don't believe they do, otherwise it wouldn't be in dispute.

(10-23-2023 11:45 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-23-2023 10:52 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Air Force still has to play on the road at Colorado State, Boise State, and Hawaii. There's a loss in there. Hawaii is bad, but they're known for pulling off upsets on the island.

It's the mai tais on the beach, the night before.

LOL. None of those kids have ever been to Hawaii before, and very few will make it back. The entire experience is a distraction from the game. Then there's the jet lag to deal with.

At Rice, Ken Hatfield would get his players on 'Hawaii time' three days before the flight took off. Very strict. It must have worked, because I think we won every time we played out there.

(10-24-2023 01:13 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(10-23-2023 11:45 AM)msu35 Wrote:  

(10-23-2023 10:52 AM)Ourland Wrote:  Air Force still has to play on the road at Colorado State, Boise State, and Hawaii. There's a loss in there. Hawaii is bad, but they're known for pulling off upsets on the island.

It's the mai tais on the beach, the night before.

LOL. None of those kids have ever been to Hawaii before, and very few will make it back. The entire experience is a distraction from the game. Then there's the jet lag to deal with.

At Rice, Ken Hatfield would get his players on 'Hawaii time' three days before the flight took off. Very strict. It must have worked, because I think we won every time we played out there.

Some notes on travel to Hawaii:

https://theathletic.com/497955/2018/08/3...at-hawaii/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/co...story.html

It didn't work for us in 2018...

(10-24-2023 01:13 PM)Ourland Wrote:  LOL. None of those kids have ever been to Hawaii before, and very few will make it back. The entire experience is a distraction from the game. Then there's the jet lag to deal with.

At Rice, Ken Hatfield would get his players on 'Hawaii time' three days before the flight took off. Very strict. It must have worked, because I think we won every time we played out there.

What football game? Free Hawaiian vacation! In all seriousness the jet lag is likely a strong factor too, but nothing like flying to East Asia. Talk about turning things upside down, and it's worse when you come back.