(08-06-2023 03:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 03:36 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 03:17 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 02:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 11:58 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  This is my guess as well. The PAC takes a few programs from the AAC (not sure I'd include UTSA in that group) and add the top programs from the MWC in a few years or immediately if the MWC members dissolve the conference thus eliminating the exit fee argument.

They don't have to dissolved the conference. They could vote on eliminate the GOR fees because you would leave a bunch of schools homeless, and it would be the best interests that everybody out west like the PAC 4, MWC, UTEP, AAC schools and the number of FCS schools that were mentioned as callups for the MWC.

I would leave Rice out. UTSA is an R1, and have the better sports than Rice.
Memphis would be the one I would call over Rice.
One problem with Hawaii is that they don't have a stadium right now. It is bad timing for them to even get the call.

Gonzaga academics is an R3. That is one lower than Boise State.

PAC 4 needs Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State and Air Force now. UTSA, Memphis, Tulane and SMU as the other 4. PAC 4 do need Boise State up there to be with Oregon State and Washington State. UNR would be there as well if they go to 14 and Utah State as the 14th.

The biggest story in this is how ESPN is getting their butt kicked left and right losing properties and a time zone.

They are down to the SEC (which is big), The ACC (which is in shambles), the AAC and SBC. The rest are split deals.

Are they really going to lose more properties to a stream only conference?

Things most be bad! Who started realignment in the first place?

The hope for me is that they still want a presence in California. But, ESPN and Disney don't have money to spend, they are laying off and trying to figure out a way to stay solvent. Apple had the money but, it seems, not the desire. After losing out on the PAC perhaps they make a bigger push for ESPN?

Those two things almost certainly aren't related. The PAC was a $250M a year deal, $350M at the outside. ESPN did $20B in revenue last year. The difference in scale is about 80x.

I am speaking about Apple. They were highly involved in the PAC deal and the money wasn't off the mark. They have partnered with Disney in their Apple Vision, which comes out in a few months. Iger has said that he wants a partner to get ESPN more established with streaming and has the money to do so. An Apple/ESPN partnership would make some sense. ESPN is the loser in this round of realignment. They have financial issues. Apple has tons of money.

Apple is notoriously slow in negotiations, but they just lost out on the PAC. The deal wasn't that bad financially, however. Even Mandel is reporting that. We will see.

(08-06-2023 03:17 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 02:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 11:58 AM)topper1296 Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 11:42 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Pac-4 best bet is take 3 or 4 from AAC in '24 [SMU, Tulane, Rice, UTSA]
i'd imagine Rice & UTSA exit fee is half, like teir TV contract.
sign 60M TV deal with 7M prorate money for '25.
[10M for Pac-4, 7M for AAC, 3M for Rice, UTSA]
'25 bring in SDST & CSU

now in '26, AAC TV contract is collapsed [ESPN], MWC TV contract ends [Fox & CBS],still some Pac money out there [ESPN & Fox]
in '26, bring in Memphis & Haw FB only with Gonzaga,
Haw has it's own cable TV contract & extra games for inventory. also locks down wk 0 for TV

plenty schools for backup [AF, NM, No Tex, UTEP, Nev, UNLV, Utah St, Boise, Tulsa]

This is my guess as well. The PAC takes a few programs from the AAC (not sure I'd include UTSA in that group) and add the top programs from the MWC in a few years or immediately if the MWC members dissolve the conference thus eliminating the exit fee argument.

They don't have to dissolved the conference. They could vote on eliminate the GOR fees because you would leave a bunch of schools homeless, and it would be the best interests that everybody out west like the PAC 4, MWC, UTEP, AAC schools and the number of FCS schools that were mentioned as callups for the MWC.

I would leave Rice out. UTSA is an R1, and have the better sports than Rice.
Memphis would be the one I would call over Rice.
One problem with Hawaii is that they don't have a stadium right now. It is bad timing for them to even get the call.

Gonzaga academics is an R3. That is one lower than Boise State.

PAC 4 needs Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State and Air Force now. UTSA, Memphis, Tulane and SMU as the other 4. PAC 4 do need Boise State up there to be with Oregon State and Washington State. UNR would be there as well if they go to 14 and Utah State as the 14th.

The biggest story in this is how ESPN is getting their butt kicked left and right losing properties and a time zone.

They are down to the SEC (which is big), The ACC (which is in shambles), the AAC and SBC. The rest are split deals.

Are they really going to lose more properties to a stream only conference?

Things most be bad! Who started realignment in the first place?

Yep, FOX smelled blood in the water and attacked. ESPN is having significant money problems, so is Disney. They need a partner with deep pockets. Right now, that is Apple.

(08-06-2023 11:30 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 08:31 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-05-2023 09:55 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-05-2023 09:49 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Mark Zeigler of The San Diego Union-Tribune reports:

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...l-stanford

Ziegler has no contacts whatsoever. He covers SDSU basketball and soccer. He will likely be unemployed soon, given the SDUT just got sold. Never wanted SDSU in the PAC because he is a Stanford alumni. Gotta wonder what he thinks about that now.

He was more accurate than you were on the SDSU situation in the leadup to the Pacopalypse. And this article reads more like a thought exercise than "sources told me that...".

Again, few expected the PAC to dissolve and SDSU had an invitation to join the PAC since November. How many pundits were saying the B1G didn't didn't want to be the one to deliver the kill shot for the PAC? Well, they did. All it took was Oregon moving and that started the chain reaction.

You had an invite since November but never joined, that doesn’t sound like an invite.

(08-06-2023 09:44 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 09:40 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  There is no way PAC 4 wants to be in that conference with the AAC schools.

These are big nos.

ECU
FAU
Temple
Rice
Tulsa
UNT

Be specific: Not PAC4, CaliStan.
WasSU and OrSU are beggars right now.

But those two will tolerate Rice because of academics.

(08-06-2023 04:14 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 11:30 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 08:31 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(08-05-2023 09:55 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-05-2023 09:49 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  Mark Zeigler of The San Diego Union-Tribune reports:

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spo...l-stanford

Ziegler has no contacts whatsoever. He covers SDSU basketball and soccer. He will likely be unemployed soon, given the SDUT just got sold. Never wanted SDSU in the PAC because he is a Stanford alumni. Gotta wonder what he thinks about that now.

He was more accurate than you were on the SDSU situation in the leadup to the Pacopalypse. And this article reads more like a thought exercise than "sources told me that...".

Again, few expected the PAC to dissolve and SDSU had an invitation to join the PAC since November. How many pundits were saying the B1G didn't didn't want to be the one to deliver the kill shot for the PAC? Well, they did. All it took was Oregon moving and that started the chain reaction.

You had an invite since November but never joined, that doesn’t sound like an invite.

Right.

There's only one rule for G5 schools: Accept the first P5 offer that comes your way. But we're to believe that SDSU did the one thing that no other G5 school would have done?

(08-06-2023 04:14 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  You had an invite since November but never joined, that doesn’t sound like an invite.

The Aztecs had an invitation but the party was cancelled.

(08-06-2023 04:15 PM)whittx Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 09:44 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 09:40 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  There is no way PAC 4 wants to be in that conference with the AAC schools.

These are big nos.

ECU
FAU
Temple
Rice
Tulsa
UNT

Be specific: Not PAC4, CaliStan.
WasSU and OrSU are beggars right now.

But those two will tolerate Rice because of academics.

Thus the forgotten four, but hey now their going all streaming! Cutting edge stuff LOL

(08-06-2023 04:08 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 03:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 03:36 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 03:17 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 02:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  They don't have to dissolved the conference. They could vote on eliminate the GOR fees because you would leave a bunch of schools homeless, and it would be the best interests that everybody out west like the PAC 4, MWC, UTEP, AAC schools and the number of FCS schools that were mentioned as callups for the MWC.

I would leave Rice out. UTSA is an R1, and have the better sports than Rice.
Memphis would be the one I would call over Rice.
One problem with Hawaii is that they don't have a stadium right now. It is bad timing for them to even get the call.

Gonzaga academics is an R3. That is one lower than Boise State.

PAC 4 needs Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State and Air Force now. UTSA, Memphis, Tulane and SMU as the other 4. PAC 4 do need Boise State up there to be with Oregon State and Washington State. UNR would be there as well if they go to 14 and Utah State as the 14th.

The biggest story in this is how ESPN is getting their butt kicked left and right losing properties and a time zone.

They are down to the SEC (which is big), The ACC (which is in shambles), the AAC and SBC. The rest are split deals.

Are they really going to lose more properties to a stream only conference?

Things most be bad! Who started realignment in the first place?

The hope for me is that they still want a presence in California. But, ESPN and Disney don't have money to spend, they are laying off and trying to figure out a way to stay solvent. Apple had the money but, it seems, not the desire. After losing out on the PAC perhaps they make a bigger push for ESPN?

Those two things almost certainly aren't related. The PAC was a $250M a year deal, $350M at the outside. ESPN did $20B in revenue last year. The difference in scale is about 80x.

I am speaking about Apple. They were highly involved in the PAC deal and the money wasn't off the mark. They have partnered with Disney in their Apple Vision, which comes out in a few months. Iger has said that he wants a partner to get ESPN more established with streaming and has the money to do so. An Apple/ESPN partnership would make some sense. ESPN is the loser in this round of realignment. They have financial issues. Apple has tons of money.

Apple is notoriously slow in negotiations, but they just lost out on the PAC. The deal wasn't that bad financially, however. Even Mandel is reporting that. We will see.

Mandel has been Canzano level bad. Very little credibility.

(08-06-2023 04:08 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 03:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 03:36 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 03:17 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 02:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  They don't have to dissolved the conference. They could vote on eliminate the GOR fees because you would leave a bunch of schools homeless, and it would be the best interests that everybody out west like the PAC 4, MWC, UTEP, AAC schools and the number of FCS schools that were mentioned as callups for the MWC.

I would leave Rice out. UTSA is an R1, and have the better sports than Rice.
Memphis would be the one I would call over Rice.
One problem with Hawaii is that they don't have a stadium right now. It is bad timing for them to even get the call.

Gonzaga academics is an R3. That is one lower than Boise State.

PAC 4 needs Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State and Air Force now. UTSA, Memphis, Tulane and SMU as the other 4. PAC 4 do need Boise State up there to be with Oregon State and Washington State. UNR would be there as well if they go to 14 and Utah State as the 14th.

The biggest story in this is how ESPN is getting their butt kicked left and right losing properties and a time zone.

They are down to the SEC (which is big), The ACC (which is in shambles), the AAC and SBC. The rest are split deals.

Are they really going to lose more properties to a stream only conference?

Things most be bad! Who started realignment in the first place?

The hope for me is that they still want a presence in California. But, ESPN and Disney don't have money to spend, they are laying off and trying to figure out a way to stay solvent. Apple had the money but, it seems, not the desire. After losing out on the PAC perhaps they make a bigger push for ESPN?

Those two things almost certainly aren't related. The PAC was a $250M a year deal, $350M at the outside. ESPN did $20B in revenue last year. The difference in scale is about 80x.

I am speaking about Apple. They were highly involved in the PAC deal and the money wasn't off the mark. They have partnered with Disney in their Apple Vision, which comes out in a few months. Iger has said that he wants a partner to get ESPN more established with streaming and has the money to do so. An Apple/ESPN partnership would make some sense. ESPN is the loser in this round of realignment. They have financial issues. Apple has tons of money.

Apple is notoriously slow in negotiations, but they just lost out on the PAC. The deal wasn't that bad financially, however. Even Mandel is reporting that. We will see.

1. I know you're talking about Apple. I'm pointing out that the Apple PAC deal and a deal where Apple buys ESPN is not even apples to oranges, it's cherries to watermelons.

2. The deal was terrible financially, which is why 6 of 10 schools left.

(08-06-2023 04:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 04:08 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 03:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 03:36 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 03:17 PM)Pirate Rep Wrote:  The biggest story in this is how ESPN is getting their butt kicked left and right losing properties and a time zone.

They are down to the SEC (which is big), The ACC (which is in shambles), the AAC and SBC. The rest are split deals.

Are they really going to lose more properties to a stream only conference?

Things most be bad! Who started realignment in the first place?

The hope for me is that they still want a presence in California. But, ESPN and Disney don't have money to spend, they are laying off and trying to figure out a way to stay solvent. Apple had the money but, it seems, not the desire. After losing out on the PAC perhaps they make a bigger push for ESPN?

Those two things almost certainly aren't related. The PAC was a $250M a year deal, $350M at the outside. ESPN did $20B in revenue last year. The difference in scale is about 80x.

I am speaking about Apple. They were highly involved in the PAC deal and the money wasn't off the mark. They have partnered with Disney in their Apple Vision, which comes out in a few months. Iger has said that he wants a partner to get ESPN more established with streaming and has the money to do so. An Apple/ESPN partnership would make some sense. ESPN is the loser in this round of realignment. They have financial issues. Apple has tons of money.

Apple is notoriously slow in negotiations, but they just lost out on the PAC. The deal wasn't that bad financially, however. Even Mandel is reporting that. We will see.

1. I know you're talking about Apple. I'm pointing out that the Apple PAC deal and a deal where Apple buys ESPN is not even apples to oranges, it's cherries to watermelons.

2. The deal was terrible financially, which is why 6 of 10 schools left.

Again, the deal was $25M base, 1.7 million subscriptions to match or exceed the B12. More subscriptions, more money. And an opt out clause after 3 years if the money wasn't there. Do not know what linear deal there was in that. But, when it comes to money, it wasn't a bad deal. Oregon, however, seemed to want to join the B1G at B12 money so they weren't left behind by USC. I expect that Phil Knight will write the check to allow them to be competitive in that conference.

Those numbers are coming from numerous sources by the way.

(08-06-2023 04:19 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 04:14 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  You had an invite since November but never joined, that doesn’t sound like an invite.

The Aztecs had an invitation but the party was cancelled.

Yes, that is what happened.

(08-06-2023 05:00 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 04:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 04:08 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 03:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-06-2023 03:36 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  The hope for me is that they still want a presence in California. But, ESPN and Disney don't have money to spend, they are laying off and trying to figure out a way to stay solvent. Apple had the money but, it seems, not the desire. After losing out on the PAC perhaps they make a bigger push for ESPN?

Those two things almost certainly aren't related. The PAC was a $250M a year deal, $350M at the outside. ESPN did $20B in revenue last year. The difference in scale is about 80x.

I am speaking about Apple. They were highly involved in the PAC deal and the money wasn't off the mark. They have partnered with Disney in their Apple Vision, which comes out in a few months. Iger has said that he wants a partner to get ESPN more established with streaming and has the money to do so. An Apple/ESPN partnership would make some sense. ESPN is the loser in this round of realignment. They have financial issues. Apple has tons of money.

Apple is notoriously slow in negotiations, but they just lost out on the PAC. The deal wasn't that bad financially, however. Even Mandel is reporting that. We will see.

1. I know you're talking about Apple. I'm pointing out that the Apple PAC deal and a deal where Apple buys ESPN is not even apples to oranges, it's cherries to watermelons.

2. The deal was terrible financially, which is why 6 of 10 schools left.

Again, the deal was $25M base, 1.7 million subscriptions to match or exceed the B12.

I don't know why anyone thinks the Pac 10 would get over 1M subscribers. they can't get 5M people to watch a championship game for free.

Quote: More subscriptions, more money. And an opt out clause after 3 years if the money wasn't there. Do not know what linear deal there was in that.

none. there was no linear. zero. no ESPN, no Fox. no CBS, no NBC, no Turner, no CW. just streaming, locked behind a paywall.

Quote:But, when it comes to money, it wasn't a bad deal. Oregon, however, seemed to want to join the B1G at B12 money so they weren't left behind by USC. I expect that Phil Knight will write the check to allow them to be competitive in that conference.

Those numbers are coming from numerous sources by the way.

Left behind by USC is one theory. better theory is that Oregon couldn't tolerate having their games not on TV.