Big 12 fans certainly have an agenda

Reminds of WVU fans back a decade ago

Hmmm. Looks familiar. Like someone saw my post yesterday and decided to take it all the way back. You're welcome, Sam...

(07-20-2023 11:13 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

I wonder why Texas and OU would leave if the Big 12 is so great!?

(07-20-2023 01:15 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  I wonder why Texas and OU would leave if the Big 12 is so great!?

Simply do a similar chart and compare Texas and OU revenue in the Big 12 to the pro rata SEC column.

(07-20-2023 01:15 PM)PicksUp Wrote:  I wonder why Texas and OU would leave if the Big 12 is so great!?

After a decade or so of disappointing finishes in the SEC, some OUT folk will likely express they had a much easier path to the NC in the Big XII. But they will be cashing big checks.

That's excellent work by Sam Bradshaw. He used to occasionally do videos explaining his work on Crystal Ball College Football, so hopefully he does that soon again.

(07-20-2023 12:57 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Hmmm. Looks familiar. Like someone saw my post yesterday and decided to take it all the way back. You're welcome, Sam...

(07-20-2023 11:13 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

I think that's coincidence, as there were some differences in the numbers and Colorado is a hot topic. Sam Bradshaw is a professional and his work is first-class, so he would be above reading this board, IMO.

Excellent work by you as well though.

Thank you.

Point being is that no Pac 12 member is kicking themselves for leaving a more profitable conference to join the Pac 12.

Except Colorado.

They are the only ones in the position of thinking "Hey maybe it was a financial mistake to join the Pac 12" as no one else had any realistic alternative (until the Big 10 came knocking).

Sure, the added Pac 12 academic prestige was worth something. And it was probably worth something to get away from Texas to be honest. I think the latter served as motivation for the Nebraska and A&M exits for sure.

But now with Texas gone from the Big 12, and the Pac 12 academic prestige taking a hit with USC and UCLA gone, those two factors are not worth as much as they once were.

Harder to justify enduring that conference revenue drag...

(07-20-2023 03:36 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Thank you.

Point being is that no Pac 12 member is kicking themselves for leaving a more profitable conference to join the Pac 12.

Except Colorado.

They are the only ones in the position of thinking "Hey maybe it was a financial mistake to join the Pac 12" as no one else had any realistic alternative (until the Big 10 came knocking).

Sure, the added Pac 12 academic prestige was worth something. And it was probably worth something to get away from Texas to be honest. I think the latter served as motivation for the Nebraska and A&M exits for sure.

But now with Texas gone from the Big 12, and the Pac 12 academic prestige taking a hit with USC and UCLA gone, those two factors are not worth as much as they once were.

Harder to justify enduring that conference revenue drag...

Except their academic ranking went down since joining the PAC, ticket sales plummeted, interest by local media plummeted thus avg Coloradans stopped caring. They may have been able to withstand the loss of NU on the schedule, the post Thanksgiving game had they stayed in the Big 12. The PAC gave them nothing. Utah is not a rival. The CA schools are not huge draws in Boulder. It was a dumb move.

(07-20-2023 11:34 AM)RUScarlets Wrote:  What about the money from research collaborations and grants? That has to be factored in, no?

Can you prove that is tied to the PAC move? UT's research money skyrocketed the last decade while in the Big 12.

(07-20-2023 11:26 AM)Yedis Wrote:  We won't be getting a chart comparing to Missouri, A&M, & Nebraska any time soon.

No need to given Colorado then had and currently has no current chance of joining B10 or SEC, but do with the B12...

Is this total distribution or media deal distribution?

(07-20-2023 03:46 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 03:36 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Thank you.

Point being is that no Pac 12 member is kicking themselves for leaving a more profitable conference to join the Pac 12.

Except Colorado.

They are the only ones in the position of thinking "Hey maybe it was a financial mistake to join the Pac 12" as no one else had any realistic alternative (until the Big 10 came knocking).

Sure, the added Pac 12 academic prestige was worth something. And it was probably worth something to get away from Texas to be honest. I think the latter served as motivation for the Nebraska and A&M exits for sure.

But now with Texas gone from the Big 12, and the Pac 12 academic prestige taking a hit with USC and UCLA gone, those two factors are not worth as much as they once were.

Harder to justify enduring that conference revenue drag...

Except their academic ranking went down since joining the PAC, ticket sales plummeted, interest by local media plummeted thus avg Coloradans stopped caring. They may have been able to withstand the loss of NU on the schedule, the post Thanksgiving game had they stayed in the Big 12. The PAC gave them nothing. Utah is not a rival. The CA schools are not huge draws in Boulder. It was a dumb move.

What of the nBig XII schools are going to draw in Boulder? KSU?

(07-20-2023 03:46 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 03:36 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Thank you.

Point being is that no Pac 12 member is kicking themselves for leaving a more profitable conference to join the Pac 12.

Except Colorado.

They are the only ones in the position of thinking "Hey maybe it was a financial mistake to join the Pac 12" as no one else had any realistic alternative (until the Big 10 came knocking).

Sure, the added Pac 12 academic prestige was worth something. And it was probably worth something to get away from Texas to be honest. I think the latter served as motivation for the Nebraska and A&M exits for sure.

But now with Texas gone from the Big 12, and the Pac 12 academic prestige taking a hit with USC and UCLA gone, those two factors are not worth as much as they once were.

Harder to justify enduring that conference revenue drag...

Except their academic ranking went down since joining the PAC, ticket sales plummeted, interest by local media plummeted thus avg Coloradans stopped caring. They may have been able to withstand the loss of NU on the schedule, the post Thanksgiving game had they stayed in the Big 12. The PAC gave them nothing. Utah is not a rival. The CA schools are not huge draws in Boulder. It was a dumb move.

Indeed. Fans like to watch their teams play specific teams, not just anybody.

Here is a few other items to think about if I'm Colorado.

1. Travel in the XII. Might be less student athlete friendly.
2. Potential to win. Smaller 10 team PAC easier to win a championships.
3. Unpredictable realignment. What if KU or OSU were to leave the XII?
4. Outside shot at the B1G themselves. Natural rival for Nebraska.

PAC I think most of us agree is an easier FB/BB league than the XII. It might be better for Colorado to hang in the PAC since they don't have a strong athletic brand.

Yes there is less revenue in the XII but they are still in a power conference.

(07-20-2023 11:39 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 11:26 AM)Yedis Wrote:  We won't be getting a chart comparing to Missouri, A&M, & Nebraska any time soon.

Actually, it took Nebraska about a decade, perhaps a bit longer, to make more than they would have made if they'd just stayed in the big 12. And have you bothered to look at SEC vs big 12 distributions? We were only about $7m ahead of the big 12 last year. The delta doesn't really get big until OUT join the SEC. Ironically, if A&M, Nebraska, Missouri and CU had never left, the big 12 would probably be making as much as any Conference these days, despite our unhappiness with each other. Though I'm really glad that we did all leave, the overall value of the 4 programs is roughly the same as it would have been, but A&M probably has a larger share than we would have as a middle of the pack/afterthought in the big 12.

Nebraska to the Big 10 much like Arkansas to the SEC have both found their way to becoming irrelevant in football conversations. Both Universities got money and bad football programs. Just wait till next year I’m sure.

(07-20-2023 05:13 PM)BeepBeepJeep Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 03:46 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 03:36 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Thank you.

Point being is that no Pac 12 member is kicking themselves for leaving a more profitable conference to join the Pac 12.

Except Colorado.

They are the only ones in the position of thinking "Hey maybe it was a financial mistake to join the Pac 12" as no one else had any realistic alternative (until the Big 10 came knocking).

Sure, the added Pac 12 academic prestige was worth something. And it was probably worth something to get away from Texas to be honest. I think the latter served as motivation for the Nebraska and A&M exits for sure.

But now with Texas gone from the Big 12, and the Pac 12 academic prestige taking a hit with USC and UCLA gone, those two factors are not worth as much as they once were.

Harder to justify enduring that conference revenue drag...

Except their academic ranking went down since joining the PAC, ticket sales plummeted, interest by local media plummeted thus avg Coloradans stopped caring. They may have been able to withstand the loss of NU on the schedule, the post Thanksgiving game had they stayed in the Big 12. The PAC gave them nothing. Utah is not a rival. The CA schools are not huge draws in Boulder. It was a dumb move.

What of the nBig XII schools are going to draw in Boulder? KSU?

KU, kstate, BYU, and ISU travels decent.

(07-20-2023 06:18 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 05:13 PM)BeepBeepJeep Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 03:46 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 03:36 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Thank you.

Point being is that no Pac 12 member is kicking themselves for leaving a more profitable conference to join the Pac 12.

Except Colorado.

They are the only ones in the position of thinking "Hey maybe it was a financial mistake to join the Pac 12" as no one else had any realistic alternative (until the Big 10 came knocking).

Sure, the added Pac 12 academic prestige was worth something. And it was probably worth something to get away from Texas to be honest. I think the latter served as motivation for the Nebraska and A&M exits for sure.

But now with Texas gone from the Big 12, and the Pac 12 academic prestige taking a hit with USC and UCLA gone, those two factors are not worth as much as they once were.

Harder to justify enduring that conference revenue drag...

Except their academic ranking went down since joining the PAC, ticket sales plummeted, interest by local media plummeted thus avg Coloradans stopped caring. They may have been able to withstand the loss of NU on the schedule, the post Thanksgiving game had they stayed in the Big 12. The PAC gave them nothing. Utah is not a rival. The CA schools are not huge draws in Boulder. It was a dumb move.

What of the nBig XII schools are going to draw in Boulder? KSU?

KU, kstate, BYU, and ISU travels decent.

Also Lubbock is closer to boulder than lawrence

(07-20-2023 08:15 PM)Huan Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 06:18 PM)TeamRamRod1 Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 05:13 PM)BeepBeepJeep Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 03:46 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 03:36 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Thank you.

Point being is that no Pac 12 member is kicking themselves for leaving a more profitable conference to join the Pac 12.

Except Colorado.

They are the only ones in the position of thinking "Hey maybe it was a financial mistake to join the Pac 12" as no one else had any realistic alternative (until the Big 10 came knocking).

Sure, the added Pac 12 academic prestige was worth something. And it was probably worth something to get away from Texas to be honest. I think the latter served as motivation for the Nebraska and A&M exits for sure.

But now with Texas gone from the Big 12, and the Pac 12 academic prestige taking a hit with USC and UCLA gone, those two factors are not worth as much as they once were.

Harder to justify enduring that conference revenue drag...

Except their academic ranking went down since joining the PAC, ticket sales plummeted, interest by local media plummeted thus avg Coloradans stopped caring. They may have been able to withstand the loss of NU on the schedule, the post Thanksgiving game had they stayed in the Big 12. The PAC gave them nothing. Utah is not a rival. The CA schools are not huge draws in Boulder. It was a dumb move.

What of the nBig XII schools are going to draw in Boulder? KSU?

KU, kstate, BYU, and ISU travels decent.

Also Lubbock is closer to boulder than lawrence

Western Kansas is pretty close and has a lot of Jayhawk fans that make the trip for football. We also routinely sold out their basketball arena ie Allen Fieldhouse West-West.

(07-20-2023 02:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-20-2023 12:57 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Hmmm. Looks familiar. Like someone saw my post yesterday and decided to take it all the way back. You're welcome, Sam...

(07-20-2023 11:13 AM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

I think that's coincidence, as there were some differences in the numbers and Colorado is a hot topic. Sam Bradshaw is a professional and his work is first-class, so he would be above reading this board, IMO.

Excellent work by you as well though.

Brett McMurphy and Matt Brown read this board. I'm sure that many others do, as well, though they prefer to remain anonymous. I wouldn't put it above any of them to take an idea we have here and run with it, nor would I be offended if somebody did that with one of my ideas for that matter.