(07-08-2023 08:43 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 08:37 AM)Acres Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 08:25 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Hypothetically: If the XII does add UConn, the stakes couldn’t be higher for Memphis and USF to get that last spot.

Jackson

If big12 adds Uconn football, then there will be plenty of spots for Memphis and USF .

Kansas , TCU, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State would be headed to the pac12.

#remindme to revisit this guys posts when UConn joins. Just sadzzz in every post, lol.

Make your case. Other than rumors, what do you have?

-as Dodd said, "doesn't travel well"
-VERY isolated from the rest of the big 12
-very strong in the wrong sport, very weak in the sport thats driving the bus
-excellent Academics

At the end of the day, the big 12 will consult with their media partners. If UConn brings $50m worth of value then they're in. If they bring more like $15m worth of value, then they're "not now, but not never", ie, they're a quality backfill candidate for either the big 12 or the ACC, but VERY unlikely to make the jump until bigger fish making moves causes further instability.

(07-08-2023 09:14 AM)Acres Wrote:  It is a pie in the sky scenario. Uconn will not have 9 out of the 12 votes required for an invite.

First, the three former AAC schools are out. Uconn publicly shamed them when Uconn said the reason they left the AAC was because they had no more interest in playing those schools.

Secondly, BYU isn’t interested in weakening the conference. It wants to stay level or ahead of Utah. That’s a no vote

Haven’t got to legacy schools yet, start with this , good luck convincing your fans to buy tickets to watch Uconn football at your stadiums.

Seriously, does anyone really think the best candidate the big12 would go after to replace Texas and Oklahoma football in 2024 is Uconn?

Memphis and USF are miles ahead of Uconn in the pecking order. I’d say thousands of miles.

People seem to have moved on from Memphis, but I think that they're the best candidate for a future g5 add to the big 12 and a strong candidate for either the Pac or ACC, too. Memphis is closer to the geographic center of the big 12 than any current big 12 school, and both their football and basketball are strong. They just need to work on their academics a bit and they're in somewhere, though like UConn it will probably be as a backfill.

(07-08-2023 11:50 AM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 07:09 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 09:49 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  https://twitter.com/CriddleBenjamin/stat...8956166144

I think it shows two things:

1) UConn knows they will never be invited to join the ACC

2)The Big 12 is running out of steam as potential candidates actually start "looking under the hood".

UConn won't get invited to the current ACC, but they're probably #1 on their list as backfill down the road.Backfill The issue between them and the big 12 is kind of the same issue that the big 12 has with SDSU; they'd just rather join a different conference due to (geography, academics, etc). They'd join the big 12, for now, if they can bring all sports including football, but if the ACC and big 12 are of comparable power down the road, UConn would end up in the ACC. Same thing with SDSU, if the Pac and big 12 were of comparable power down the road, SDSU would join the Pac.

Looking at things from a big 12 perspective, why would they want to elevate a school like SDSU or UConn, knowing that they're leaving down the road? They'd be the only schools in the conference with hopes of joining a different M3. If the ACC and Pac stabilize/improve and leave the big 12 behind, then UConn and SDSU will still be there for the taking down the road, and the big 12 could very want them. But unless and until that happens, they should be planning to bring in Pac and/or ACC refugees.

As for Yormark, he probably does believe that UConn basketball adds a LOT. But even if basketball triples in value over the next decade, which is beyond the most wildly optimistic scenarios I've seen, it will still be worth far less than football, and UConn will still be there for the taking then.

Backfill?

(07-08-2023 09:21 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 01:48 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 10:44 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  The one scenario people don’t seem to consider much is this: what if only one Pac school joins the B12?

For #14 spot, Yormark would push for UConn.

IMHO, it’s all or nothing on the Big 12 taking Pac-12 schools.

Either the Pac-12 TV deal is so bad that all Four Corners schools leave or it’s good enough that all of them stay. I don’t buy that just 1 or 2 Pac-12 schools would leave. There’s not a universe where the TV deal is good enough for Arizona but not good enough for Colorado. Heck, even if that were the case initially, the domino effect would be Colorado leaving would in turn make the TV deal even worse and then spur other schools to leave at that point, so it would be the same outcome.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true.

Moving from Pac 12 to Big 12 is such a downgrade in terms of academics, some (most?) 4C schools (and importantly their boards) would be very reluctant no matter how big the money difference would be.

Is it a worse downgrade than having to drop all sports because your money sports quit making money? Or, realistically they wouldn't drop sports b/c they're all Flagships, but they'd have to subsidize sports from their Academic endowments. How is that going to play in the halls of Power? How is irrelevance in football and basketball going to go over with prospective recruits and even general student population? You already hear the coaches are telling kids that they're going to the big 12. The pendulum has already swung in the Athletic Departments, except for Utah (for obvious reasons). If the $$ difference is just a couple million, then it probably doesn't do enough to swing enough boosters and Admins. But if it's $10m? $8m but the Pac is all streaming? $15m on a true apples to apples comparison? These schools won't be able to recruit P5-caliber athletes.

(07-08-2023 12:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 11:23 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  We are this tipping point between the PAC, XII and ACC where its about taking in members so that other conferences don't get them.

I'm not sure if taking SMU right now helps the PAC if its not someone the XII would take into the conference. SDSU and UNLV are potentially attractive to the XII or AAC and are both regional to LA.

Maybe then it makes sense for the XII to take UConn and USF as the ACC will want them at some point down the road for reloading. That might force Pitt, Duke, UL, VT into signing up later down the road. Memphis would likely be a lot further down the expansion list for the ACC, probably below Tulane.

PAC (SDSU, UNLV)
XII (UConn, USF)
AAC (AFA, CSU, UNM)

AAC pulls the front range in that could hurt the PAC long term should they get a bunch of defections.

We'll reach a "tipping point" when the PAC and the Big 12 get their own linear networks.
Until then the ACC will slowly move ahead until it can see neither of the other two in it's rear view mirror.

The nbig 12, including their 4 g5s and after losing 1/2 the conference over the past 13 years, had more attendance last year than the full-strength ACC. Your CCG for the past 2 years had the same average viewership as the AAC CCG. What's going to happen when the ACC loses 4 schools? Your next 4 will join the big 12 and you'll merge with the AAC, or, if you're lucky, you'll snag a full merger with the big 12.

(07-08-2023 12:46 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 12:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 11:23 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  We are this tipping point between the PAC, XII and ACC where its about taking in members so that other conferences don't get them.

I'm not sure if taking SMU right now helps the PAC if its not someone the XII would take into the conference. SDSU and UNLV are potentially attractive to the XII or AAC and are both regional to LA.

Maybe then it makes sense for the XII to take UConn and USF as the ACC will want them at some point down the road for reloading. That might force Pitt, Duke, UL, VT into signing up later down the road. Memphis would likely be a lot further down the expansion list for the ACC, probably below Tulane.

PAC (SDSU, UNLV)
XII (UConn, USF)
AAC (AFA, CSU, UNM)

AAC pulls the front range in that could hurt the PAC long term should they get a bunch of defections.

We'll reach a "tipping point" when the PAC and the Big 12 get their own linear networks.
Until then the ACC will slowly move ahead until it can see neither of the other two in it's rear view mirror.

The nbig 12, including their 4 g5s and after losing 1/2 the conference over the past 13 years, had more attendance last year than the full-strength ACC. Your CCG for the past 2 years had the same average viewership as the AAC CCG. What's going to happen when the ACC loses 4 schools? Your next 4 will join the big 12 and you'll merge with the AAC, or, if you're lucky, you'll snag a full merger with the big 12.

(07-08-2023 01:44 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 11:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 10:03 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  Maybe a push by UConn. Like SDSU, only if PAC or ACC teams come first. Or BB suddenly becomes much more valuable, or UConn wins the FB NC three years in a row.

So, there is a chance.

Thats what Im thinking. Personally, I think they make more sense as a non-football addition. I'd be ok with a 2 or 3 game a year football scheduling agreement as part of that deal---but I'd hold off on doing non-football deals until the P12 and ACC drama all plays out.

But the Big East is THE perfect non-football league for UConn, so moving to the Big 12 only on that basis is of no interest to them. The Big East is also already paying P5-level money for basketball based on the 80/20 football/basketball value ratio (something that is continuously neglected in this analysis), so it wouldn’t be a financial windfall for UConn to move unless it’s for a full membership in the Big 12.

As I’ve said elsewhere, I really believe Yormark wants to expand in and of itself. It’s not “Four Corners or Bust” for him. Now, whether the Big 12 presidents think differently is another matter, but Yormark himself is clearly wanting to put his mark via expansion at all costs (and his quotes all point to it).

I actually agree with you that the BE is the best place for UConn. I disagree with you on the Big12 expansion. I dont think Yormark is stupid. It would be foolish for the B12 to expand just to expand regardless of the availability of P5 expansion targets (my guess is that kind of Yormark talk is simply designed to give 4C schools the impression their life boat seat may not be there forever).

But lets say you are right and Yorkmark wants to expand with most anyone he thinks would be cool to expand with--he's not going to have any support among the schools for any far flung expansion that isnt largely built from P5 expansion targets and doesnt immediately add to the bottom line of existing B12 schools. Thats the real life bottom line. The votes are simply not there.

(07-08-2023 12:46 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 12:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 11:23 AM)Garden_KC Wrote:  We are this tipping point between the PAC, XII and ACC where its about taking in members so that other conferences don't get them.

I'm not sure if taking SMU right now helps the PAC if its not someone the XII would take into the conference. SDSU and UNLV are potentially attractive to the XII or AAC and are both regional to LA.

Maybe then it makes sense for the XII to take UConn and USF as the ACC will want them at some point down the road for reloading. That might force Pitt, Duke, UL, VT into signing up later down the road. Memphis would likely be a lot further down the expansion list for the ACC, probably below Tulane.

PAC (SDSU, UNLV)
XII (UConn, USF)
AAC (AFA, CSU, UNM)

AAC pulls the front range in that could hurt the PAC long term should they get a bunch of defections.

We'll reach a "tipping point" when the PAC and the Big 12 get their own linear networks.
Until then the ACC will slowly move ahead until it can see neither of the other two in it's rear view mirror.

The nbig 12, including their 4 g5s and after losing 1/2 the conference over the past 13 years, had more attendance last year than the full-strength ACC. Your CCG for the past 2 years had the same average viewership as the AAC CCG. What's going to happen when the ACC loses 4 schools? Your next 4 will join the big 12 and you'll merge with the AAC, or, if you're lucky, you'll snag a full merger with the big 12.

Where did you get the last year’s attendance number?

As far as I know, the ACC was slightly ahead of the B12:

https://csnbbs.com/thread-964191.html

(07-08-2023 12:41 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 09:21 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 01:48 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 10:44 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  The one scenario people don’t seem to consider much is this: what if only one Pac school joins the B12?

For #14 spot, Yormark would push for UConn.

IMHO, it’s all or nothing on the Big 12 taking Pac-12 schools.

Either the Pac-12 TV deal is so bad that all Four Corners schools leave or it’s good enough that all of them stay. I don’t buy that just 1 or 2 Pac-12 schools would leave. There’s not a universe where the TV deal is good enough for Arizona but not good enough for Colorado. Heck, even if that were the case initially, the domino effect would be Colorado leaving would in turn make the TV deal even worse and then spur other schools to leave at that point, so it would be the same outcome.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true.

Moving from Pac 12 to Big 12 is such a downgrade in terms of academics, some (most?) 4C schools (and importantly their boards) would be very reluctant no matter how big the money difference would be.

Is it a worse downgrade than having to drop all sports because your money sports quit making money? Or, realistically they wouldn't drop sports b/c they're all Flagships, but they'd have to subsidize sports from their Academic endowments. How is that going to play in the halls of Power? How is irrelevance in football and basketball going to go over with prospective recruits and even general student population? You already hear the coaches are telling kids that they're going to the big 12. The pendulum has already swung in the Athletic Departments, except for Utah (for obvious reasons). If the $$ difference is just a couple million, then it probably doesn't do enough to swing enough boosters and Admins. But if it's $10m? $8m but the Pac is all streaming? $15m on a true apples to apples comparison? These schools won't be able to recruit P5-caliber athletes.

If the Pac’s media deal is that bad (say $15 million all streaming), then yeah all 4C schools would probably jump.

But the question here is whether only one Pac school joining the Pac is a possible scenario or it has to be all or nothing. I can totally see only one school joining the B12, given each school has different financial need and willingness to downgrade the academic side.

(07-08-2023 11:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 09:52 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 01:44 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 11:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 10:03 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  Maybe a push by UConn. Like SDSU, only if PAC or ACC teams come first. Or BB suddenly becomes much more valuable, or UConn wins the FB NC three years in a row.

So, there is a chance.

Thats what Im thinking. Personally, I think they make more sense as a non-football addition. I'd be ok with a 2 or 3 game a year football scheduling agreement as part of that deal---but I'd hold off on doing non-football deals until the P12 and ACC drama all plays out.

But the Big East is THE perfect non-football league for UConn, so moving to the Big 12 only on that basis is of no interest to them. The Big East is also already paying P5-level money for basketball based on the 80/20 football/basketball value ratio (something that is continuously neglected in this analysis), so it wouldn’t be a financial windfall for UConn to move unless it’s for a full membership in the Big 12.

As I’ve said elsewhere, I really believe Yormark wants to expand in and of itself. It’s not “Four Corners or Bust” for him. Now, whether the Big 12 presidents think differently is another matter, but Yormark himself is clearly wanting to put his mark via expansion at all costs (and his quotes all point to it).

Yormark wants the Northeast. His plan is to get UCONN, which could very well eventually getting Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and maybe even Duke, the last being much less likely but not out of the realm of possibility, plus BC and Wake Forest.

If Yormark just gets UCONN and Syracuse, who can really doubt the Big East schools would not be in play? As I have said before,Yormark's plans to keep the Big12 secure and profitable is to maintain his conference as the third best football conference competing as close as possible to the P2, and making the Big12 the best basketball conference by far to further solidify their place in college sports to prevent the P2 from leaving them behind.

Yormark ain’t thinking that far ahead. He’ll be gone by 2030

I don't know if he'll be gone that soon, but with as much as he's talked about splitting FB and BB media deals I see him focusing on doing whatever it takes to get that done successfully. He'll likely have a hard time getting the next job he wants if he's making a public push like that and fails to accomplish it.

"immediately add to the bottom line of existing B-12 schools" that short term thinking.
BY knows he can't bring anybody in without status quo with money

BY is looking at future projections, obviously he feels Conn can help long term
B-12 is also in race for the #3 [conf] spot, that means pecking away at ACC & Pac
keeping pace with BIG & SEC #'s is paramount [conf members]

now i agree couple Pac schools would help, collectively there not exactly bring in the #'s you want

(07-08-2023 11:40 AM)uconnwhaler Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 09:52 AM)Acres Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 09:25 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 08:37 AM)Acres Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 08:25 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  Hypothetically: If the XII does add UConn, the stakes couldn’t be higher for Memphis and USF to get that last spot.

Jackson

If big12 adds Uconn football, then there will be plenty of spots for Memphis and USF .

Kansas , TCU, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State would be headed to the pac12.

So the worst case scenario is UConn is another Kansas except it’s right outside of NYC instead of Kansas City. UConn football was fine in the Big East. Not sure what the problem is

Jackson

Exactly, what happened to big East and what happened to big East football. Everyone took to the hills. The worst case scenario is what I outlined above. Schools are going to leave big12 if Uconn is invited

As, for NYC , they don’t care about Uconn football , didn’t care for AAC football and won’t care about big12 football.

You are literally the dumbest poster here. If we are added it’s because we were voted in. Why would we be voted in and then those schools flee. And you have no idea what happened in the Big East , but hint: it’s not at our doorstep. For as bad as we have been the last 10 years we are STILL better than Colorado and Arizona over that same time span. Think about that and compare to the nonsense spouted exclusively against UConn (if you are capable).

The BIG East with Rutgers and Loiseville voted in several CUSA schools, then left the watered down conference.

You are one of those sensitive ones, aren’t you. Consider yourself ignored.

I know many B12 fans don’t want UConn but it looks like the league is definitely considering Huskies.

(07-08-2023 09:21 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 01:48 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 10:44 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  The one scenario people don’t seem to consider much is this: what if only one Pac school joins the B12?

For #14 spot, Yormark would push for UConn.

IMHO, it’s all or nothing on the Big 12 taking Pac-12 schools.

Either the Pac-12 TV deal is so bad that all Four Corners schools leave or it’s good enough that all of them stay. I don’t buy that just 1 or 2 Pac-12 schools would leave. There’s not a universe where the TV deal is good enough for Arizona but not good enough for Colorado. Heck, even if that were the case initially, the domino effect would be Colorado leaving would in turn make the TV deal even worse and then spur other schools to leave at that point, so it would be the same outcome.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true.

Moving from Pac 12 to Big 12 is such a downgrade in terms of academics, some (most?) 4C schools (and importantly their boards) would be very reluctant no matter how big the money difference would be.

That's a good point. IIRC, a few weeks ago, someone around here, maybe it was you I don't remember, noted that in recent times no P-conference teams have moved to another P-conference that was inferior academically to the one they were leaving. All of the moves have been either from a worse conference to a better conference, or have been "neutral", such as the USC/UCLA move from the PAC to the B1G. That resonated with me, it was a very good insight.

Also scared me, because it means that when ACC teams come on the market, the B1G would have that big leg up over the SEC, as a move to the B1G would IMO be neutral while a move to the SEC would be a step down.

So I tend to agree with you, as a move from the nPAC to the nB12 would be a big step down academically.

It might be the case that the $$$ gap would be so big that the nPAC wasn't functionally (financially) a "power" conference anymore.

(07-08-2023 02:45 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  "immediately add to the bottom line of existing B-12 schools" that short term thinking.
BY knows he can't bring anybody in without status quo with money

BY is looking at future projections, obviously he feels Conn can help long term
B-12 is also in race for the #3 [conf] spot, that means pecking away at ACC & Pac
keeping pace with BIG & SEC #'s is paramount [conf members]

now i agree couple Pac schools would help, collectively there not exactly bring in the #'s you want

It may be short term thinking— but no administrator ever has enough money and none are taking a revenue cut today in exchange for nothing more than a “projection” that promises better revenue in the future. That’s just the way it is. Heck—some of these administrators know they probably won’t even be here by the time the hoped for payoff for such a move comes (assuming the payoff ever does).

(07-08-2023 04:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 09:21 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 01:48 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 10:44 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  The one scenario people don’t seem to consider much is this: what if only one Pac school joins the B12?

For #14 spot, Yormark would push for UConn.

IMHO, it’s all or nothing on the Big 12 taking Pac-12 schools.

Either the Pac-12 TV deal is so bad that all Four Corners schools leave or it’s good enough that all of them stay. I don’t buy that just 1 or 2 Pac-12 schools would leave. There’s not a universe where the TV deal is good enough for Arizona but not good enough for Colorado. Heck, even if that were the case initially, the domino effect would be Colorado leaving would in turn make the TV deal even worse and then spur other schools to leave at that point, so it would be the same outcome.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true.

Moving from Pac 12 to Big 12 is such a downgrade in terms of academics, some (most?) 4C schools (and importantly their boards) would be very reluctant no matter how big the money difference would be.

That's a good point. IIRC, a few weeks ago, someone around here, maybe it was you I don't remember, noted that in recent times no P-conference teams have moved to another P-conference that was inferior academically to the one they were leaving. All of the moves have been either from a worse conference to a better conference, or have been "neutral", such as the USC/UCLA move from the PAC to the B1G. That resonated with me, it was a very good insight.

Also scared me, because it means that when ACC teams come on the market, the B1G would have that big leg up over the SEC, as a move to the B1G would IMO be neutral while a move to the SEC would be a step down.

So I tend to agree with you, as a move from the nPAC to the nB12 would be a big step down academically.

It might be the case that the $$$ gap would be so big that the nPAC wasn't functionally (financially) a "power" conference anymore.

Well the Big 12 with Texas A&M and Missouri was stronger academically than the SEC without them. Even without CU and NU, it still had 5 AAU schools. The SEC had 2. And Texas Tech, Oklahoma St., Kansas St. and OU weren't any different than the bottom half of the SEC.

(07-08-2023 04:26 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 04:02 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 09:21 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 01:48 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 10:44 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  The one scenario people don’t seem to consider much is this: what if only one Pac school joins the B12?

For #14 spot, Yormark would push for UConn.

IMHO, it’s all or nothing on the Big 12 taking Pac-12 schools.

Either the Pac-12 TV deal is so bad that all Four Corners schools leave or it’s good enough that all of them stay. I don’t buy that just 1 or 2 Pac-12 schools would leave. There’s not a universe where the TV deal is good enough for Arizona but not good enough for Colorado. Heck, even if that were the case initially, the domino effect would be Colorado leaving would in turn make the TV deal even worse and then spur other schools to leave at that point, so it would be the same outcome.

I don’t think that’s necessarily true.

Moving from Pac 12 to Big 12 is such a downgrade in terms of academics, some (most?) 4C schools (and importantly their boards) would be very reluctant no matter how big the money difference would be.

That's a good point. IIRC, a few weeks ago, someone around here, maybe it was you I don't remember, noted that in recent times no P-conference teams have moved to another P-conference that was inferior academically to the one they were leaving. All of the moves have been either from a worse conference to a better conference, or have been "neutral", such as the USC/UCLA move from the PAC to the B1G. That resonated with me, it was a very good insight.

Also scared me, because it means that when ACC teams come on the market, the B1G would have that big leg up over the SEC, as a move to the B1G would IMO be neutral while a move to the SEC would be a step down.

So I tend to agree with you, as a move from the nPAC to the nB12 would be a big step down academically.

It might be the case that the $$$ gap would be so big that the nPAC wasn't functionally (financially) a "power" conference anymore.

Well the Big 12 with Texas A&M and Missouri was stronger academically than the SEC without them. Even without CU and NU, it still had 5 AAU schools. The SEC had 2. And Texas Tech, Oklahoma St., Kansas St. and OU weren't any different than the bottom half of the SEC.

Well, i looked up the 2011 US News rankings (came out in Fall 2010), and came up with a conference average of 104.8 for the 10 school B12 (TAMU and Mizzou included, but not UNL and Colorado, as they had announced they were leaving in June 2010).

Now, I chose to use 2023 rankings for Kansas State because I couldn't find the 2011 numbers for them. If we toss them out (their 2023 rank is 166) I got an average of 98 for the 9 other schools.

For the SEC, the 12 schools that were there as of Fall 2010, the average was 88.5. Again, I had to use filler 2023 data for two schools, the two Mississippi schools as I could not find info on them. If we exclude them (their 2023 numbers are 151 and 194) the average for the other 10 is 74.5.

So imo that Mizzou/AM move was a neutral move, assuming I didnt bungle the calculations, which I may have, lol.

(07-08-2023 03:57 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  I know many B12 fans don’t want UConn but it looks like the league is definitely considering Huskies.

UConn isn't in the NYC TV market. It's in the Hartford/New Haven TV market. Still #34, better than Memphis (#52) and Las Vegas (#40).

(07-08-2023 06:56 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 03:57 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  I know many B12 fans don’t want UConn but it looks like the league is definitely considering Huskies.

UConn isn't in the NYC TV market. It's in the Hartford/New Haven TV market. Still #34, better than Memphis (#52) and Las Vegas (#40).

Wasnt one of UConn's big gripes motivating their AAC exit that UConn would lose a lucrative womens basketball TV deal for the NYC market? I'd think that serves as some indication they at least have a healthy market presence in NYC. That said---NYC is full of people from all over the country (really the world)---so I doubt any one college team is going to dominate that market the way a UT might dominate major Texas cities or the way Oklahoma might dominate major markets in Oklahoma.

That said, Yormark has made it clear on several occasions that one key specific goal of expansion would be to add a new time zone---which UConn does not do. Furthermore, Yormark would need to add several schools from those western time zones to allow the B12 to offer content in that late window on a reasonably regular basis. UConn really doesnt fit into any reasonable expansion plan that would accomplish this often stated goal.

(07-08-2023 11:54 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 09:52 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(07-08-2023 01:44 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 11:25 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(07-07-2023 10:03 PM)PlayBall! Wrote:  Maybe a push by UConn. Like SDSU, only if PAC or ACC teams come first. Or BB suddenly becomes much more valuable, or UConn wins the FB NC three years in a row.

So, there is a chance.

Thats what Im thinking. Personally, I think they make more sense as a non-football addition. I'd be ok with a 2 or 3 game a year football scheduling agreement as part of that deal---but I'd hold off on doing non-football deals until the P12 and ACC drama all plays out.

But the Big East is THE perfect non-football league for UConn, so moving to the Big 12 only on that basis is of no interest to them. The Big East is also already paying P5-level money for basketball based on the 80/20 football/basketball value ratio (something that is continuously neglected in this analysis), so it wouldn’t be a financial windfall for UConn to move unless it’s for a full membership in the Big 12.

As I’ve said elsewhere, I really believe Yormark wants to expand in and of itself. It’s not “Four Corners or Bust” for him. Now, whether the Big 12 presidents think differently is another matter, but Yormark himself is clearly wanting to put his mark via expansion at all costs (and his quotes all point to it).

Yormark wants the Northeast. His plan is to get UCONN, which could very well eventually getting Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, and maybe even Duke, the last being much less likely but not out of the realm of possibility, plus BC and Wake Forest.

If Yormark just gets UCONN and Syracuse, who can really doubt the Big East schools would not be in play? As I have said before,Yormark's plans to keep the Big12 secure and profitable is to maintain his conference as the third best football conference competing as close as possible to the P2, and making the Big12 the best basketball conference by far to further solidify their place in college sports to prevent the P2 from leaving them behind.

Yormark ain’t thinking that far ahead. He’ll be gone by 2030

He is unlikely to leave before the Big12's next contract because that will be his legacy and resume.