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RE: If San Diego State gets left without a dance partner, where to next?
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RE: If San Diego State gets left without a dance partner, where to next?
So if SDSU has a 100% guaranteed invitation with the pac as soon as the media deal is finalized, then why would they care if the MWC viewed the letter as a notice of exit? I haven’t heard a sensible reason for that. Something not adding up.
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RE: If San Diego State gets left without a dance partner, where to next?
(06-20-2023 12:23 PM)Johnny Incognito Wrote:  So if SDSU has a 100% guaranteed invitation with the pac as soon as the media deal is finalized, then why would they care if the MWC viewed the letter as a notice of exit? I haven’t heard a sensible reason for that. Something not adding up.

Yes. That's why I believe they don't have a 100% guaranteed invitation with either the nPAC or nB12. If they did, I reckon they would have just given formal notice to withdraw.
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RE: If San Diego State gets left without a dance partner, where to next?
(06-20-2023 11:39 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(06-19-2023 08:08 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-19-2023 07:36 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  From the MWC's response, and I believe they chose to make this public, they know SDSU is gone (it isn't a big secret), they have for some time and decided to be an ass about it. Really? Any other MWC school would jump at a chance for a B12 invite, much less one from the PAC. SDSU is a founding member of the MWC, its ties to the conference (via the WAC) going back to 1978. They just gave the conference huge exposure and money via their MM run culminating in playing in the national championship. And yet, this is how they are being treated because they are going to a P5 conference?

Like I have said. Good riddance.

How is the Mountain West mistreating SDSU here? The Mountain West has an exit fee, everybody knew that. The exit fee doubles if you leave with less than 12 months notice. EVerybody knew that too.

The 12 months provision is important, partially because most conferences have the same or similar provisions. So if the Mountain West wants to backfill to stay as 12, their process is delayed. Whoever they bring in (Texas State) for 2024 is going to have to leave their conference on short notice.

The request for an extension makes no sense. The Mountain West has their timetable, laid out by the bylaws, and SDSU can decide what to do based on that.

The request for a payment plan is more reasonable, but since it's in the context of the less-reasonable demands, I expect the Mountain West will withhold SDSU's 2023 and 2024 distributions and hope they can collect the rest in court.


SDSU has done nothing that other schools haven't done when exiting their conference. Again, someone in the MWC decided to make this request public and, despite SDSU denying that this was an official letter to resign, the MWC says it is. SDSU is going to a P5 conference, it isn't a lateral move. Personally, I think it is the MWC that looks bad in all this and it just solidifies the Aztec community on the fact that this conference has been antagonistic towards SDSU for quite some time.

Has any school ever asked for an extension on a withdrawal deadline? That's not a rhetorical question, I don't know of any so if you do I would appreciate that information.
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RE: If San Diego State gets left without a dance partner, where to next?
(06-20-2023 11:39 AM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(06-19-2023 08:08 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(06-19-2023 07:36 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  From the MWC's response, and I believe they chose to make this public, they know SDSU is gone (it isn't a big secret), they have for some time and decided to be an ass about it. Really? Any other MWC school would jump at a chance for a B12 invite, much less one from the PAC. SDSU is a founding member of the MWC, its ties to the conference (via the WAC) going back to 1978. They just gave the conference huge exposure and money via their MM run culminating in playing in the national championship. And yet, this is how they are being treated because they are going to a P5 conference?

Like I have said. Good riddance.

How is the Mountain West mistreating SDSU here? The Mountain West has an exit fee, everybody knew that. The exit fee doubles if you leave with less than 12 months notice. EVerybody knew that too.

The 12 months provision is important, partially because most conferences have the same or similar provisions. So if the Mountain West wants to backfill to stay as 12, their process is delayed. Whoever they bring in (Texas State) for 2024 is going to have to leave their conference on short notice.

The request for an extension makes no sense. The Mountain West has their timetable, laid out by the bylaws, and SDSU can decide what to do based on that.

The request for a payment plan is more reasonable, but since it's in the context of the less-reasonable demands, I expect the Mountain West will withhold SDSU's 2023 and 2024 distributions and hope they can collect the rest in court.


SDSU has done nothing that other schools haven't done when exiting their conference.

I would ask the same question Quo Vadis did -- has anyone ever asked for an extension or an adjustment of a notice period?

I would add the question, has anyone ever notified their conference that they might want to withdraw, but they're not withdrawing, at least not yet?

Quote:Again, someone in the MWC decided to make this request public and, despite SDSU denying that this was an official letter to resign, the MWC says it is.

So you're saying this isn't a notice of withdrawal, it's just a list of hypothetical questions.

Quote:SDSU is going to a P5 conference, it isn't a lateral move.

Except it's not hypothetical at all. SDSU has a PAC invite in their pocket. OR they don't but they're 90% sure they're getting one in a few months.

Quote:Personally, I think it is the MWC that looks bad in all this and it just solidifies the Aztec community on the fact that this conference has been antagonistic towards SDSU for quite some time.

I don't know how important "looks bad" is. But the heirarchy of who looks worst:
1. The PAC. They don't have a media deal. Their member-to-be is twisting in the wind, but they won't invite them because it's apparently super important that the TV deal be done before expansion. Much more important than saving their new conference mate $17M.
2. SDSU looks a little silly, trying to thread the needle, trying to have it both ways. But they get some sympathy because they're in a tough spot.
3. Mountain West doesn't look bad at all. They have rules, SDSU made a fairly ridiculous request.

I'm going to point out that this is about withholding distributions. (I thinkk so anyway). I expect that the MWC sends out checks on June 15 or 30 or July 1 or whatever. Declaring that SDSU has withdrawn means that the Mountain West can withhold their check for 2022-23, paying the first 1/3 of the exit fee.

Do you really think that any conference would get the SDSU letter and respond positively to those requests? "Sure, take all the time you need. That 12 month notice provision isn't in there for any valid reason." Really?

You want an example of the Mountain West being petty, look at their treatment of Boise State, first refusing to scale the Boise STate $1.8M bonus as the contract grows, then trying to weasel out of the separate Boise STate contract entirely.
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RE: If San Diego State gets left without a dance partner, where to next?
Bump while we wait on the MWC's response to the SDSU withdrawal of notice.
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(07-01-2023 09:17 AM)SlyFox Wrote:  Bump while we wait on the MWC's response to the SDSU withdrawal of notice.

The MWC will accept SDSU back with open arms, the Aztecs are too important to the MWC TV contract.
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(06-19-2023 12:58 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
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(06-16-2023 06:33 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  SDSU has a dance partner. Two actually. But we will be dancing with the PAC.

I know it's nice to feel like the popular girl but I have it on very good authority that the Big 12 isn't interested right now. As a matter of fact only two teams were seriously discussed at the Big 12 meetings as possible expansion candidates and neither were SDSU. Things could change eventually but the Aztecs are further down the list of candidates for now.

And that's likely because the B12 knows were headed to the PAC.

As I was saying SDSU has never had an invite to the Big 12. Will the Big 12 change their mind someday? Maybe, but for right now any non Power 5 school, including SDSU, will cost Big 12 members $3-5 Million each. These crazy theories about the Big 12 taking all of these MWC and AAC schools are nothing but fantasy.

The UConn talk was real btw, BY is a basketball guy at heart, but even they didn't get the votes with BY championing them.
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(07-01-2023 12:02 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
(06-19-2023 12:58 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(06-16-2023 08:12 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
(06-16-2023 06:33 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  SDSU has a dance partner. Two actually. But we will be dancing with the PAC.

I know it's nice to feel like the popular girl but I have it on very good authority that the Big 12 isn't interested right now. As a matter of fact only two teams were seriously discussed at the Big 12 meetings as possible expansion candidates and neither were SDSU. Things could change eventually but the Aztecs are further down the list of candidates for now.

And that's likely because the B12 knows were headed to the PAC.

As I was saying SDSU has never had an invite to the Big 12. Will the Big 12 change their mind someday? Maybe, but for right now any non Power 5 school, including SDSU, will cost Big 12 members $3-5 Million each. These crazy theories about the Big 12 taking all of these MWC and AAC schools are nothing but fantasy.

The UConn talk was real btw, BY is a basketball guy at heart, but even they didn't get the votes with BY championing them.

Was the other school discussed Gonzaga or Colorado?
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(07-01-2023 12:17 PM)WhoseHouse? Wrote:  
(07-01-2023 12:02 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
(06-19-2023 12:58 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(06-16-2023 08:12 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
(06-16-2023 06:33 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  SDSU has a dance partner. Two actually. But we will be dancing with the PAC.

I know it's nice to feel like the popular girl but I have it on very good authority that the Big 12 isn't interested right now. As a matter of fact only two teams were seriously discussed at the Big 12 meetings as possible expansion candidates and neither were SDSU. Things could change eventually but the Aztecs are further down the list of candidates for now.

And that's likely because the B12 knows were headed to the PAC.

As I was saying SDSU has never had an invite to the Big 12. Will the Big 12 change their mind someday? Maybe, but for right now any non Power 5 school, including SDSU, will cost Big 12 members $3-5 Million each. These crazy theories about the Big 12 taking all of these MWC and AAC schools are nothing but fantasy.

The UConn talk was real btw, BY is a basketball guy at heart, but even they didn't get the votes with BY championing them.

Was the other school discussed Gonzaga or Colorado?

Colorado. Basketball only schools don't have the support needed. BY really wants UConn but the votes just aren't there.
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RE: If San Diego State gets left without a dance partner, where to next?
(06-19-2023 12:58 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  
(06-16-2023 08:12 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  
(06-16-2023 06:33 PM)Aztecgolfer Wrote:  SDSU has a dance partner. Two actually. But we will be dancing with the PAC.

I know it's nice to feel like the popular girl but I have it on very good authority that the Big 12 isn't interested right now. As a matter of fact only two teams were seriously discussed at the Big 12 meetings as possible expansion candidates and neither were SDSU. Things could change eventually but the Aztecs are further down the list of candidates for now.

And that's likely because the B12 knows were headed to the PAC.

When I first saw this post a couple weeks ago I almost said something about leaving out an apostrophe. But now it is actually grammatically correct.
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