(06-24-2023 07:21 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 07:01 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 05:01 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 04:43 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 04:20 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  That's just some Iowa State fans perspective. Yormark said he's taking four teams. The four corner schools are his first choice and everyone knows that. After that it's Memphis, Uconn. If two or less schools from the four corners leaves (I personally think they all stay), we're probably in.

SDSU is priority one on the Pac list and probably SMU second. If anyone leaves from the Pac it would most likely be Colorado and Arizona. That would leave Memphis/Uconn as the other two. That would be an overall better grouping than the last four that got in.

Stay positive.

EDIT: Yormark has stated he wants to make the Big 12 the best basketball conference. Memphis brand is bigger than SDSU.

If B12 adds 4 and no one jumps from PAC12 AND IF PAC12 adds SMU and SDSU, then Memphis/USF/Gonzaga/UCONN are in. Do we really think UCONN and Zags join? I still think Big12 only adds 2 and waits for ACC fallout.

If Pac stays put, It sounds like Memphis/UConn are 1/2. If they add two more...don't know who goes 3/4. Maybe USF/Tulane. They could still add like a Gonzaga/Villanova for basketball only. What a basketball conference that would be.

Yormark has been adamant about being the premier basketball conference.

I can't see Yormark taking four non-P5 adds that play football if the PAC stays together and Big 12 still wants to expand. Maybe two that play football and two that are non-football at best. It's very unlikely the Big 12 presidents approve four more G5s when a new deal for the PAC is likely just delaying the inevitable for them. And ACC schools possibly trying to leave their conference in the 2030s. Taking four now hurts potential flexibility in the future. They should be able to take two and be ok. The question is would they even do that?

I brought that up here. My concern was if nobody leaves the P12, maybe the B12 does nothing and waits for the next shiny object.

Maybe that happens. Maybe the next shiny object happens. Maybe not. You've got a new commish that really had nothing to do with the last 4 teams. He wants to make his own mark (no pun intended).

I don't see this guy standing pat.

Here's a tweet from a group that kind of sums up my thoughts. You should follow this group. Excellent allies for Memphis called "Memphis Belongs in the Big 12".

That’s my concern as well. But the fact that he’s been making so much noise makes me think he’s not going to rest unless he does something.

(06-24-2023 07:54 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  7th on the list


Seems like we’ve been around that spot forever no matter what some others may say

Yeah and we all know who that was LOL

(06-24-2023 07:32 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 07:21 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 07:01 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 05:01 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 04:43 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  If B12 adds 4 and no one jumps from PAC12 AND IF PAC12 adds SMU and SDSU, then Memphis/USF/Gonzaga/UCONN are in. Do we really think UCONN and Zags join? I still think Big12 only adds 2 and waits for ACC fallout.

If Pac stays put, It sounds like Memphis/UConn are 1/2. If they add two more...don't know who goes 3/4. Maybe USF/Tulane. They could still add like a Gonzaga/Villanova for basketball only. What a basketball conference that would be.

Yormark has been adamant about being the premier basketball conference.

I can't see Yormark taking four non-P5 adds that play football if the PAC stays together and Big 12 still wants to expand. Maybe two that play football and two that are non-football at best. It's very unlikely the Big 12 presidents approve four more G5s when a new deal for the PAC is likely just delaying the inevitable for them. And ACC schools possibly trying to leave their conference in the 2030s. Taking four now hurts potential flexibility in the future. They should be able to take two and be ok. The question is would they even do that?

I brought that up here. My concern was if nobody leaves the P12, maybe the B12 does nothing and waits for the next shiny object.

Maybe that happens. Maybe the next shiny object happens. Maybe not. You've got a new commish that really had nothing to do with the last 4 teams. He wants to make his own mark (no pun intended).

I don't see this guy standing pat.

Here's a tweet from a group that kind of sums up my thoughts. You should follow this group. Excellent allies for Memphis called "Memphis Belongs in the Big 12".

That’s my concern as well. But the fact that he’s been making so much noise makes me think he’s not going to rest unless he does something.

Nothing will happen until the Pac 12 announcement. I'm sure the P12 and B12 already know the outcome. Let's put on our best face right now. No negativity. lol

I believe we're in the best position we've ever been in. Be positive.

(06-24-2023 07:21 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 07:01 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 05:01 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 04:43 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 04:20 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  That's just some Iowa State fans perspective. Yormark said he's taking four teams. The four corner schools are his first choice and everyone knows that. After that it's Memphis, Uconn. If two or less schools from the four corners leaves (I personally think they all stay), we're probably in.

SDSU is priority one on the Pac list and probably SMU second. If anyone leaves from the Pac it would most likely be Colorado and Arizona. That would leave Memphis/Uconn as the other two. That would be an overall better grouping than the last four that got in.

Stay positive.

EDIT: Yormark has stated he wants to make the Big 12 the best basketball conference. Memphis brand is bigger than SDSU.

If B12 adds 4 and no one jumps from PAC12 AND IF PAC12 adds SMU and SDSU, then Memphis/USF/Gonzaga/UCONN are in. Do we really think UCONN and Zags join? I still think Big12 only adds 2 and waits for ACC fallout.

If Pac stays put, It sounds like Memphis/UConn are 1/2. If they add two more...don't know who goes 3/4. Maybe USF/Tulane. They could still add like a Gonzaga/Villanova for basketball only. What a basketball conference that would be.

Yormark has been adamant about being the premier basketball conference.

I can't see Yormark taking four non-P5 adds that play football if the PAC stays together and Big 12 still wants to expand. Maybe two that play football and two that are non-football at best. It's very unlikely the Big 12 presidents approve four more G5s when a new deal for the PAC is likely just delaying the inevitable for them. And ACC schools possibly trying to leave their conference in the 2030s. Taking four now hurts potential flexibility in the future. They should be able to take two and be ok. The question is would they even do that?

I brought that up here. My concern was if nobody leaves the P12, maybe the B12 does nothing and waits for the next shiny object.

Maybe that happens. Maybe the next shiny object happens. Maybe not. You've got a new commish that really had nothing to do with the last 4 teams. He wants to make his own mark (no pun intended).

I don't see this guy standing pat.

Here's a tweet from a group that kind of sums up my thoughts. You should follow this group. Excellent allies for Memphis called "Memphis Belongs in the Big 12".

I think he wants to make his own mark as well. It's just that he doesn't have the freedom to do that like he wants. The presidents and the networks are the final decision makers and that's where my concern lies, especially with the networks.

Can we bring the value necessary to get them to pay enough for the presidents to say yes? Like for example ESPN and Fox are willing to throw in $15M each for us and UConn. If our partial shares are $10M each and the rest goes to the conference and the other 12 schools, would that be enough for the presidents? Personally I think it would, but the issue is would ESPN and Fox even do that in the first place? Baylor's AD gives some hope in that area at least. And while a lot of non-Memphis fans say things like "the Big 12 should just wait on adding G5s till after they can add other P5 schools", it would also seem logical that adding a couple of the best G5s now would let them build their value as soon as possible. And then if/when the PAC and ACC do fall apart, they're not having the dilutive discussion with those two all over again.

And thanks for the heads up on that twitter account. I'll keep an eye on them going forward.

(06-24-2023 07:24 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 07:01 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 05:01 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 04:43 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 04:20 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  That's just some Iowa State fans perspective. Yormark said he's taking four teams. The four corner schools are his first choice and everyone knows that. After that it's Memphis, Uconn. If two or less schools from the four corners leaves (I personally think they all stay), we're probably in.

SDSU is priority one on the Pac list and probably SMU second. If anyone leaves from the Pac it would most likely be Colorado and Arizona. That would leave Memphis/Uconn as the other two. That would be an overall better grouping than the last four that got in.

Stay positive.

EDIT: Yormark has stated he wants to make the Big 12 the best basketball conference. Memphis brand is bigger than SDSU.

If B12 adds 4 and no one jumps from PAC12 AND IF PAC12 adds SMU and SDSU, then Memphis/USF/Gonzaga/UCONN are in. Do we really think UCONN and Zags join? I still think Big12 only adds 2 and waits for ACC fallout.

If Pac stays put, It sounds like Memphis/UConn are 1/2. If they add two more...don't know who goes 3/4. Maybe USF/Tulane. They could still add like a Gonzaga/Villanova for basketball only. What a basketball conference that would be.

Yormark has been adamant about being the premier basketball conference.

I can't see Yormark taking four non-P5 adds that play football if the PAC stays together and Big 12 still wants to expand. Maybe two that play football and two that are non-football at best. It's very unlikely the Big 12 presidents approve four more G5s when a new deal for the PAC is likely just delaying the inevitable for them. And ACC schools possibly trying to leave their conference in the 2030s. Taking four now hurts potential flexibility in the future. They should be able to take two and be ok. The question is would they even do that?

I can’t either. I think they’d prefer not to add more G5 schools period, so we’ll be lucky if they add two (lucky as long as we’re one of them and that’s not a given).

I agree because despite how bad USF has been on the field I've felt they were right there with us due to other things. And that was before the AAU designation. UConn's unexpected rise in this was the problem. Which is kind of funny since why they rose up (basketball) is potentially helping us as well.

(06-24-2023 07:30 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 07:24 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 07:01 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 05:01 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(06-24-2023 04:43 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  If B12 adds 4 and no one jumps from PAC12 AND IF PAC12 adds SMU and SDSU, then Memphis/USF/Gonzaga/UCONN are in. Do we really think UCONN and Zags join? I still think Big12 only adds 2 and waits for ACC fallout.

If Pac stays put, It sounds like Memphis/UConn are 1/2. If they add two more...don't know who goes 3/4. Maybe USF/Tulane. They could still add like a Gonzaga/Villanova for basketball only. What a basketball conference that would be.

Yormark has been adamant about being the premier basketball conference.

I can't see Yormark taking four non-P5 adds that play football if the PAC stays together and Big 12 still wants to expand. Maybe two that play football and two that are non-football at best. It's very unlikely the Big 12 presidents approve four more G5s when a new deal for the PAC is likely just delaying the inevitable for them. And ACC schools possibly trying to leave their conference in the 2030s. Taking four now hurts potential flexibility in the future. They should be able to take two and be ok. The question is would they even do that?

I can’t either. I think they’d prefer not to add more G5 schools period, so we’ll be lucky if they add two (lucky as long as we’re one of them and that’s not a given).

TCU was a G5 school when they had Texas and Oklahoma. Now they're in the B12. They played in the National Championship game. Forward thinking...

Oh my god, how can anyone compete with Manhattan Kansas, and Ames Iowa??? The horror.

Why is everyone so negative?

Just saying that they just added several G5 schools. If they had their druthers, they’d druther add PAC teams and get a foothold westward. Makes a bigger splash which is what it seems he wants to do.

I have little use for negativity. Fat, drunk and negative is no way to go thru life.

The B12 simply cant stand pat. If they do, all they have is a slight advantage over the pac.

The Pac could get creative (like what they should have already done this go round), and invite SDSU, SMU, Memphis, Tulane, and USF.

That puts them in S. California, Texas, FLorida, and in the SEC footprint. That deal would come in as good or better than the B12. It also solves a lot of the tv coverage issues.

Setup 3 pods of 5 teams. Pretty clean travel wise.

Now the Pac has effectively blocked the B12 from further expansion, AND they would have dibs at any ACC teams that get left out.

Which is why I dont think Yormack is going to let the B12 stand pat. If you do you open the door for this scenario to play out. And all of that work last year would be for naught. If you do go in and poach a team or two, you prevent the pac from as easily pulling off their expansion, keeping them well below the B12. The B12 would still be 4 teams short of 20, and now they have dibs on the best acc teams when they become available, further putting them ahead of the pac and crumbled acc.

Then again the B12 may just think the pac is too dumb to pull this off (they have a history of being very dumb), in which case they may stand pat.

(06-25-2023 01:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The B12 simply cant stand pat. If they do, all they have is a slight advantage over the pac.

The Pac could get creative (like what they should have already done this go round), and invite SDSU, SMU, Memphis, Tulane, and USF.

That puts them in S. California, Texas, FLorida, and in the SEC footprint. That deal would come in as good or better than the B12. It also solves a lot of the tv coverage issues.

Setup 3 pods of 5 teams. Pretty clean travel wise.

Now the Pac has effectively blocked the B12 from further expansion, AND they would have dibs at any ACC teams that get left out.

Which is why I dont think Yormack is going to let the B12 stand pat. If you do you open the door for this scenario to play out. And all of that work last year would be for naught. If you do go in and poach a team or two, you prevent the pac from as easily pulling off their expansion, keeping them well below the B12. The B12 would still be 4 teams short of 20, and now they have dibs on the best acc teams when they become available, further putting them ahead of the pac and crumbled acc.

Then again the B12 may just think the pac is too dumb to pull this off (they have a history of being very dumb), in which case they may stand pat.

They could also just do to B12, what they did to AAC and raid them after getting a better TV deal.

(06-25-2023 01:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The B12 simply cant stand pat. If they do, all they have is a slight advantage over the pac.

The Pac could get creative (like what they should have already done this go round), and invite SDSU, SMU, Memphis, Tulane, and USF.

That puts them in S. California, Texas, FLorida, and in the SEC footprint. That deal would come in as good or better than the B12. It also solves a lot of the tv coverage issues.

Setup 3 pods of 5 teams. Pretty clean travel wise.

Now the Pac has effectively blocked the B12 from further expansion, AND they would have dibs at any ACC teams that get left out.

Which is why I dont think Yormack is going to let the B12 stand pat. If you do you open the door for this scenario to play out. And all of that work last year would be for naught. If you do go in and poach a team or two, you prevent the pac from as easily pulling off their expansion, keeping them well below the B12. The B12 would still be 4 teams short of 20, and now they have dibs on the best acc teams when they become available, further putting them ahead of the pac and crumbled acc.

Then again the B12 may just think the pac is too dumb to pull this off (they have a history of being very dumb), in which case they may stand pat.

In fantasy expansion land, the PAC 12 travel partners could be Memphis/SMU & Tulane/USF or SMU/Tulane & Memphis/USF since flight times between the four are not terrible. As mentioned, this gets the PAC-12 just as many timezones to play in as the Big 12 and B1G conferences.

But it is fantasy expansion land, so it won't happen.
However, the PAC-12 presidents would almost certainly be down with Tulane and USF as both are AAU.

Interestingly, SDSU's research expenditures have ranged from 92 - 107 million over last three years (up to FY21). I would be surprised if they are not announced as a Carnegie R1 in December 24 (next announcement date). But it can be tough to predict since "per capita" and other internal R1 metrics are not publically available. In contrast, U of Memphis R&D expenditures is 59 - 69 million over last three (up to FY21).

SMU has ranged between 41 - 43 million over last three fiscal years.

(06-25-2023 08:01 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 01:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The B12 simply cant stand pat. If they do, all they have is a slight advantage over the pac.

The Pac could get creative (like what they should have already done this go round), and invite SDSU, SMU, Memphis, Tulane, and USF.

That puts them in S. California, Texas, FLorida, and in the SEC footprint. That deal would come in as good or better than the B12. It also solves a lot of the tv coverage issues.

Setup 3 pods of 5 teams. Pretty clean travel wise.

Now the Pac has effectively blocked the B12 from further expansion, AND they would have dibs at any ACC teams that get left out.

Which is why I dont think Yormack is going to let the B12 stand pat. If you do you open the door for this scenario to play out. And all of that work last year would be for naught. If you do go in and poach a team or two, you prevent the pac from as easily pulling off their expansion, keeping them well below the B12. The B12 would still be 4 teams short of 20, and now they have dibs on the best acc teams when they become available, further putting them ahead of the pac and crumbled acc.

Then again the B12 may just think the pac is too dumb to pull this off (they have a history of being very dumb), in which case they may stand pat.

They could also just do to B12, what they did to AAC and raid them after getting a better TV deal.

They could, if they could coordinate it with the end of the B12 gor. I just dont think the PAC leadership is capable of pulling something that requires that amount of coordination off.

Hopefully we hear about a PAC12 deal this week.

(06-26-2023 04:02 PM)fsquid Wrote:  Hopefully we hear about a PAC12 deal this week.

Holding my breath for a Friday news dump.

Big 12 rumored to be looking at Fresno State

https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-foot...nt-updates

(06-30-2023 09:27 AM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  Big 12 rumored to be looking at Fresno State

https://www.sportskeeda.com/college-foot...nt-updates

SDSU & FS would be great additions to the B12 to get the PTZ. Memphis & maybe UConn would be good additions to shore up the east side of the conference & consolidate B12 preeminence in MBB.

(06-26-2023 11:27 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 08:01 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 01:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The B12 simply cant stand pat. If they do, all they have is a slight advantage over the pac.

The Pac could get creative (like what they should have already done this go round), and invite SDSU, SMU, Memphis, Tulane, and USF.

That puts them in S. California, Texas, FLorida, and in the SEC footprint. That deal would come in as good or better than the B12. It also solves a lot of the tv coverage issues.

Setup 3 pods of 5 teams. Pretty clean travel wise.

Now the Pac has effectively blocked the B12 from further expansion, AND they would have dibs at any ACC teams that get left out.

Which is why I dont think Yormack is going to let the B12 stand pat. If you do you open the door for this scenario to play out. And all of that work last year would be for naught. If you do go in and poach a team or two, you prevent the pac from as easily pulling off their expansion, keeping them well below the B12. The B12 would still be 4 teams short of 20, and now they have dibs on the best acc teams when they become available, further putting them ahead of the pac and crumbled acc.

Then again the B12 may just think the pac is too dumb to pull this off (they have a history of being very dumb), in which case they may stand pat.

They could also just do to B12, what they did to AAC and raid them after getting a better TV deal.

They could, if they could coordinate it with the end of the B12 gor. I just dont think the PAC leadership is capable of pulling something that requires that amount of coordination off.

The problem the PAC can't overcome is lack of population west of a line from Houston in the south to the ND/MN border - with 80% of the US population to the east. So media will never pay the PAC enough to overcome the B12 with USCLA gone.

(06-30-2023 09:52 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-26-2023 11:27 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 08:01 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 01:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The B12 simply cant stand pat. If they do, all they have is a slight advantage over the pac.

The Pac could get creative (like what they should have already done this go round), and invite SDSU, SMU, Memphis, Tulane, and USF.

That puts them in S. California, Texas, FLorida, and in the SEC footprint. That deal would come in as good or better than the B12. It also solves a lot of the tv coverage issues.

Setup 3 pods of 5 teams. Pretty clean travel wise.

Now the Pac has effectively blocked the B12 from further expansion, AND they would have dibs at any ACC teams that get left out.

Which is why I dont think Yormack is going to let the B12 stand pat. If you do you open the door for this scenario to play out. And all of that work last year would be for naught. If you do go in and poach a team or two, you prevent the pac from as easily pulling off their expansion, keeping them well below the B12. The B12 would still be 4 teams short of 20, and now they have dibs on the best acc teams when they become available, further putting them ahead of the pac and crumbled acc.

Then again the B12 may just think the pac is too dumb to pull this off (they have a history of being very dumb), in which case they may stand pat.

They could also just do to B12, what they did to AAC and raid them after getting a better TV deal.

They could, if they could coordinate it with the end of the B12 gor. I just dont think the PAC leadership is capable of pulling something that requires that amount of coordination off.

The problem the PAC can't overcome is lack of population west of a line from Houston in the south to the ND/MN border - with 80% of the US population to the east. So media will never pay the PAC enough to overcome the B12 with USCLA gone.

This is THE SAME REASON that the Big XII will never be able to compete with the SEC, B1G, and ACC. They are mostly on the wrong side of the river too.

It's also a convincing reason to prefer eventually moving to the ACC leftovers instead of going to the Big XII immediately.

(06-30-2023 10:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 09:52 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-26-2023 11:27 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 08:01 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 01:16 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  The B12 simply cant stand pat. If they do, all they have is a slight advantage over the pac.

The Pac could get creative (like what they should have already done this go round), and invite SDSU, SMU, Memphis, Tulane, and USF.

That puts them in S. California, Texas, FLorida, and in the SEC footprint. That deal would come in as good or better than the B12. It also solves a lot of the tv coverage issues.

Setup 3 pods of 5 teams. Pretty clean travel wise.

Now the Pac has effectively blocked the B12 from further expansion, AND they would have dibs at any ACC teams that get left out.

Which is why I dont think Yormack is going to let the B12 stand pat. If you do you open the door for this scenario to play out. And all of that work last year would be for naught. If you do go in and poach a team or two, you prevent the pac from as easily pulling off their expansion, keeping them well below the B12. The B12 would still be 4 teams short of 20, and now they have dibs on the best acc teams when they become available, further putting them ahead of the pac and crumbled acc.

Then again the B12 may just think the pac is too dumb to pull this off (they have a history of being very dumb), in which case they may stand pat.

They could also just do to B12, what they did to AAC and raid them after getting a better TV deal.

They could, if they could coordinate it with the end of the B12 gor. I just dont think the PAC leadership is capable of pulling something that requires that amount of coordination off.

The problem the PAC can't overcome is lack of population west of a line from Houston in the south to the ND/MN border - with 80% of the US population to the east. So media will never pay the PAC enough to overcome the B12 with USCLA gone.

This is THE SAME REASON that the Big XII will never be able to compete with the SEC, B1G, and ACC. They are mostly on the wrong side of the river too.

It's also a convincing reason to prefer eventually moving to the ACC leftovers instead of going to the Big XII immediately.

So, that would be (starting with Old ACC leftovers): GT, NC State, Wake, Duke, UVa; BC, Miami, VT; Syracuse, Pitt; and Louisville (assuming BIG takes UNC, Clemson, FSU, and ND moves football-only deal from ACC to BIG)? From a fan standpoint, aside from Louisville, is that better than the new B12?

(06-30-2023 10:41 AM)micman Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 10:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 09:52 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-26-2023 11:27 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(06-25-2023 08:01 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  They could also just do to B12, what they did to AAC and raid them after getting a better TV deal.

They could, if they could coordinate it with the end of the B12 gor. I just dont think the PAC leadership is capable of pulling something that requires that amount of coordination off.

The problem the PAC can't overcome is lack of population west of a line from Houston in the south to the ND/MN border - with 80% of the US population to the east. So media will never pay the PAC enough to overcome the B12 with USCLA gone.

This is THE SAME REASON that the Big XII will never be able to compete with the SEC, B1G, and ACC. They are mostly on the wrong side of the river too.

It's also a convincing reason to prefer eventually moving to the ACC leftovers instead of going to the Big XII immediately.

So, that would be (starting with Old ACC leftovers): GT, NC State, Wake, Duke, UVa; BC, Miami, VT; Syracuse, Pitt; and Louisville (assuming BIG takes UNC, Clemson, FSU, and ND moves football-only deal from ACC to BIG)? From a fan standpoint, aside from Louisville, is that better than the new B12?

ND: I meant, Everything but Football deal.

(06-30-2023 10:42 AM)micman Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 10:41 AM)micman Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 10:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 09:52 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-26-2023 11:27 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  They could, if they could coordinate it with the end of the B12 gor. I just dont think the PAC leadership is capable of pulling something that requires that amount of coordination off.

The problem the PAC can't overcome is lack of population west of a line from Houston in the south to the ND/MN border - with 80% of the US population to the east. So media will never pay the PAC enough to overcome the B12 with USCLA gone.

This is THE SAME REASON that the Big XII will never be able to compete with the SEC, B1G, and ACC. They are mostly on the wrong side of the river too.

It's also a convincing reason to prefer eventually moving to the ACC leftovers instead of going to the Big XII immediately.

So, that would be (starting with Old ACC leftovers): GT, NC State, Wake, Duke, UVa; BC, Miami, VT; Syracuse, Pitt; and Louisville (assuming BIG takes UNC, Clemson, FSU, and ND moves football-only deal from ACC to BIG)? From a fan standpoint, aside from Louisville, is that better than the new B12?

ND: I meant, Everything but Football deal.

Frankly I'd love a B12 or ACC invite. But IMO nothing is likely regarding the ACC until 2036 (my opinion & tough GOR), so I'd be happy with an invite sooner than 2036 from either.

(06-30-2023 11:05 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 10:42 AM)micman Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 10:41 AM)micman Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 10:20 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(06-30-2023 09:52 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  The problem the PAC can't overcome is lack of population west of a line from Houston in the south to the ND/MN border - with 80% of the US population to the east. So media will never pay the PAC enough to overcome the B12 with USCLA gone.

This is THE SAME REASON that the Big XII will never be able to compete with the SEC, B1G, and ACC. They are mostly on the wrong side of the river too.

It's also a convincing reason to prefer eventually moving to the ACC leftovers instead of going to the Big XII immediately.

So, that would be (starting with Old ACC leftovers): GT, NC State, Wake, Duke, UVa; BC, Miami, VT; Syracuse, Pitt; and Louisville (assuming BIG takes UNC, Clemson, FSU, and ND moves football-only deal from ACC to BIG)? From a fan standpoint, aside from Louisville, is that better than the new B12?

ND: I meant, Everything but Football deal.

Frankly I'd love a B12 or ACC invite. But IMO nothing is likely regarding the ACC until 2036 (my opinion & tough GOR), so I'd be happy with an invite sooner than 2036 from either.

How about some sort of AAC/ SunBelt/ ACC remnants mashup to cut down on travel costs? At some point, UofM is gonna be so far behind due to lack of $$$, they’ll have to do something. The B12 ain’t and never was happening. Once the other leagues pick the ACC apart, all that will be left is Wake, BC and Syracuse maybe?? One would think no one wants those football programs but heck if Boston is a top 10 “media market” someone may take them because you know, Beantown is such a CFB hotbed. On down the line, could definitely see the B12 gladly taking Pitt (backyard brawl) and Loserville to create some sort of a pod with Cincy and WV. Would the b12 take Duke’s god awful football to get their hoops?

All of it is just so stupid. Memphis belongs in the b12 - geographically, fan base size, strength of programs, but we are left behind. Hopefully somehow Duke, Ga Tech, VA Tech, NC State, Pitt and UL get left behind with Cuse, Wake, BC and the Tigers can get into that conference on down the line. It’s not great, but a far cry better than the one we’re stuck in now