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(03-14-2023 12:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(03-14-2023 11:06 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  These students and the administrator should be ashamed of themselves for treating a guest speaker like this. Do they not realize how privileged they are to have a federal judge speak at their university? Moreover, do they not understand they might learn something from someone with more life and professional experience than they have (last I checked, Judge Duncan has been in the profession for decades while they haven't even taken the bar exam). The DEI administrator had the audacity to lecture to this man and tell him he needs to "learn" something (but they don't)? Seriously?

In terms of culpability, I find the actions of the administrator far worse than the students.

In fact, that administrator has in her title 'inclusion'. Yet she felt absolutely comfortable in attacking the speaker.

As for the issue of the 'yelling shutdown', think about three other episodes in the past that have included these types of 'shutdowns', and tell me what your stances are on those in light of the Stanford shutdown ---

1. The shutdown of the Miami (?) county clerk office during the Gore/Bush recount fiasco by protesting 'righties'?

2. The shutdown of *a figurative ton* of town hall meetings of Democratic congressman during the 'Tea Party summer'?

3. Last, but not least the shutdown of Congress during the certification of the last election?

Not trying to do a 'whadabout', if I am apologies. Just bringing to the forefront that not all shutdowns are against the right. If you all are so adamant about how horrific the Stanford event was (and, I admit, the conduct by the students was stupid, immature, and in horribly bad form, and the conduct by the administrator should get her a suspension), what are your views on the 'shutdowns' by the right above?

Finally, Duncan does sit at the *very* extreme in terms of jurisprudence, even in the 5th Circ. To the extent that while I am comfortable with Ho, Willett, and the another 3 or four in that Circuit that are considered *very* right, Duncan has represented some absolutely highly extreme causes prior to becoming a Circuit of Appeals judge.

I mean, seriously ---- backing state restrictions on adoption focused on being gay?

Good grief. I know loads of gay couples that would make *far* better parents than many man/ woman couples. That is one aspect of Duncan I cant seemingly gloss over.

Agree that the administrator is the most culpable here. She and others should have reminded students that while they may not agree with Judge Duncan, they should be respectful.

Agree there are example of bad behavior from both the extreme left and extreme right, but the examples you gave are lot analogous to this situation.
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(03-14-2023 12:16 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  
(03-14-2023 11:06 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  These students and the administrator should be ashamed of themselves for treating a guest speaker like this. Do they not realize how privileged they are to have a federal judge speak at their university? Moreover, do they not understand they might learn something from someone with more life and professional experience than they have (last I checked, Judge Duncan has been in the profession for decades while they haven't even taken the bar exam). The DEI administrator had the audacity to lecture to this man and tell him he needs to "learn" something (but they don't)? Seriously?

In terms of culpability, I find the actions of the administrator far worse than the students.

In fact, that administrator has in her title 'inclusion'. Yet she felt absolutely comfortable in attacking the speaker.

As for the issue of the 'yelling shutdown', think about three other episodes in the past that have included these types of 'shutdowns', and tell me what your stances are on those in light of the Stanford shutdown ---

1. The shutdown of the Miami (?) county clerk office during the Gore/Bush recount fiasco by protesting 'righties'?

2. The shutdown of *a figurative ton* of town hall meetings of Democratic congressman during the 'Tea Party summer'?

3. Last, but not least the shutdown of Congress during the certification of the last election?

Not trying to do a 'whadabout', if I am apologies. Just bringing to the forefront that not all shutdowns are against the right. If you all are so adamant about how horrific the Stanford event was (and, I admit, the conduct by the students was stupid, immature, and in horribly bad form, and the conduct by the administrator should get her a suspension), what are your views on the 'shutdowns' by the right above?

Finally, Duncan does sit at the *very* extreme in terms of jurisprudence, even in the 5th Circ. To the extent that while I am comfortable with Ho, Willett, and the another 3 or four in that Circuit that are considered *very* right, Duncan has represented some absolutely highly extreme causes prior to becoming a Circuit of Appeals judge.

I mean, seriously ---- backing state restrictions on adoption focused on being gay?

Good grief. I know loads of gay couples that would make *far* better parents than many man/ woman couples. That is one aspect of Duncan I cant seemingly gloss over.

This is indoctrination, not a "shutdown"

Regarding gay couples adopting. I hold the same position I have since the debate began.
Every child should have the opportunity to be parented by a natural family first. If that isn't an option for the child, gay couples should be an option but shouldn't be the first option.

Are you saying he has ruled on cases about gay couples adopting? Or just has a personal opinion?

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Snowflake judge doesn’t understand that free speech just means you have the right to say things without government persecution, not that people can’t loudly disagree and call you stupid for saying them. I defend his right to say anything he wants, and I defend their right to yell at him and call him whatever names they would like as long as it doesn’t cross to physical violence. The supposed free speech party only cares about freedom for their speech and the ability to silence the speech they don’t like. A true free speech advocate has to fight for the right of people you hate to say things you find objectionable.
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(03-15-2023 07:07 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Snowflake judge doesn’t understand that free speech just means you have the right to say things without government persecution, not that people can’t loudly disagree and call you stupid for saying them. I defend his right to say anything he wants, and I defend their right to yell at him and call him whatever names they would like as long as it doesn’t cross to physical violence. The supposed free speech party only cares about freedom for their speech and the ability to silence the speech they don’t like. A true free speech advocate has to fight for the right of people you hate to say things you find objectionable.

Civility is lost on the left. Shouting down someone making a speech is silencing speech.
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I sure am glad I work for a small family owned business where we don’t have any DIE nonsense to follow. Just in usual every day office banter, if anything political comes up, you’ll hear Biden and the Dems spoken of in the worst possible manner. It makes for a more pleasant workday than if you had to deal with trashy scum of the Earth leftists and all their silly stupid gender BS, diversity training, and using preferred pronouns.
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(03-15-2023 07:07 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Snowflake judge doesn’t understand that free speech just means you have the right to say things without government persecution, not that people can’t loudly disagree and call you stupid for saying them. I defend his right to say anything he wants, and I defend their right to yell at him and call him whatever names they would like as long as it doesn’t cross to physical violence. The supposed free speech party only cares about freedom for their speech and the ability to silence the speech they don’t like. A true free speech advocate has to fight for the right of people you hate to say things you find objectionable.

The appropriate place to protest the speech would have been outside. This was obviously a setup, as the DIE dean had prepared remarks ready. You're saying you're okay with ambushing someone who was invited there to speak in order to silence him in the name of free speech? I'm sure that makes perfect sense to someone.
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The Stanford Free Speech Debacle Is Another Reason Universities Need To Fire 99.9% Of Their Administrators


Quote:If you are at all curious about how the war on campus free speech has evolved since student arsonists torched the University of California at Berkeley in 2017, look no further than the angry mob of infantile Stanford law students who shut down a talk by Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals Judge Kyle Duncan last week. Intolerant campus leftists have been shouting down speakers for years now, but what transpired at Stanford law school last week was special: The students’ effort to squash intellectual diversity was condoned and even enforced by a prominent university administrator.

Ducan, who had been invited by the Stanford Federalist Society to give a talk titled “Covid, Guns, and Twitter,” was driven from the podium by Stanford Law School’s Associate Dean for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Tirien Steinbach.

Due to heckling, Duncan asked an administrator to control the students, who were violating Stanford’s free speech policies. That’s when Steinbach stepped in, took the podium from Duncan, and personally chastised him with prepared remarks.

Steinbach said of their behavior in her pre-written speech, “I’m glad this is going on here.” “The Stanford Review” reported that students at the talk were screaming and holding obscene signs, such as “Judge Duncan can’t find the clit.”

While Stanford President Marc Tessier-Lavigne and Stanford Law School Dean Jenny Martinez have apologized to Duncan, it appears neither the offending students nor Steinbach have been disciplined for their breach of university policy they’ve agreed to follow.

Student writers at the Stanford Review penned a strong op-ed pressuring the university to fire Steinbach, whose conduct they said, “degrade[s] the principles of free speech [and] degrade[s] the prestige and reputation of Stanford Law School itself.” Getting rid of Steinbach is a good place to start, but ultimately it won’t fix the problem, which is the hundreds of thousands of Steinbach-like administrators across the country who are taking over universities.

Administrators are the scourge of higher education. They make the lives of students and professors astronomically more difficult by policing speech.

At most institutions, there are more administrators than faculty. At Yale, there are more administrators than undergraduate students. University bureaucrats, with their often seven-figure salaries, are a major factor in the outrageous cost of tuition (which is only getting worse thanks to Biden’s student loan bailout plans).

For hundreds of years, universities conducted research and managed classrooms without bureaucrats, and non-instructional functions were handled by faculty department heads. Today, the day-to-day activities of the only people who really matter at the university — the students and the faculty — are hindered by overgrown and unnecessary university administrations.

A 2015 Vanderbilt study found that federal regulatory compliance makes up 3 to 11 percent of schools’ operating expenses and eats up 4 to 15 percent of faculty and staff’s time. Red tape universities have invented is also expensive and time-consuming. Things like dual enrollments or independent studies require approval from multiple pencil pushers, yet all that should really be needed is the consent of the involved student and faculty members.

The most damaging administrators are people like Steinbach, who are responsible for injecting “Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion” (DEI) into every classroom and campus activity. DEI administrators indoctrinate students with mandatory “sensitivity” training the moment they step on campus. At some institutions, they can affect departments’ hiring decisions, mandating racial quotas that often diminish the quality of professors. According to the DEI zealots, “if you are just hiring the best people, you’re part of the problem.”

The humanities have been declining for decades, but the science, technology, engineering, and mathematics (STEM) fields have also been infected by wokeism, thanks to the DEI heads. Academic departments have their own diversity, equity, and inclusion committees, which give mandatory DEI seminars to majors that would otherwise never be exposed to such nonsense.

Another important part of the problem is that administrators are highly partisan. Studies show that university bureaucrats are even more left-wing than professors (and that’s saying something). Leftist faculty reportedly outnumber their conservative counterparts six-to-one, whereas leftist staff outnumbers conservative bureaucrats 12-to-one.

Perhaps the most damning thing university administrators have ever done was subject faculty and students to deranged and un-scientific Covid measures. Students were barred from functioning like normal human beings. They were defrauded out of their tuition dollars and forced into remote learning. They weren’t allowed to visit one another in each other’s dorm rooms, and they were surveilled to ensure obedience.

Students and faculty were subjected to ineffective and unethical mask, vaccine, and booster mandates, and some were even thrown out for non-compliance. Administrators also implemented mandatory, Communist-esque reporting systems, which required students and staff to turn in colleagues and classmates who disobeyed the Covid edicts.

Bureaucrats’ handling of Covid was arguably the most egregious of their offenses. They shut down campuses, inhibited learning, and needlessly made the lives of students and professors miserable.

Administrators’ crimes against higher education have gone unchecked, which means they will only get bolder. Steinbach knowingly violated Stanford’s free speech policies, and she has not been fired nor apparently disciplined. She and her colleagues will continue to flex their power, stifle learning, undermine the quality of professors, and shut down viewpoint diversity until faculty and students stand up and demand they be banished from campus.
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(03-15-2023 07:07 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Snowflake judge doesn’t understand that free speech just means you have the right to say things without government persecution, not that people can’t loudly disagree and call you stupid for saying them. I defend his right to say anything he wants, and I defend their right to yell at him and call him whatever names they would like as long as it doesn’t cross to physical violence. The supposed free speech party only cares about freedom for their speech and the ability to silence the speech they don’t like. A true free speech advocate has to fight for the right of people you hate to say things you find objectionable.
The snowflakes are obvious in this thread

The puss!es in that law school and the big fat one who made the quoted post.



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They might should just close Stanford

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(03-15-2023 07:31 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  
(03-15-2023 07:07 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Snowflake judge doesn’t understand that free speech just means you have the right to say things without government persecution, not that people can’t loudly disagree and call you stupid for saying them. I defend his right to say anything he wants, and I defend their right to yell at him and call him whatever names they would like as long as it doesn’t cross to physical violence. The supposed free speech party only cares about freedom for their speech and the ability to silence the speech they don’t like. A true free speech advocate has to fight for the right of people you hate to say things you find objectionable.

Civility is lost on the left. Shouting down someone making a speech is silencing speech.

Nope. Silencing speech is making laws limiting speech. Shouting down someone is just multiple aholes using their rights to free speech. I’m sure I probably disagree with both that conservative justice and those ahole students and administrators, but I defend both of their rights to express their opinions that I probably don’t agree with.
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(03-15-2023 07:31 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  
(03-15-2023 07:07 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Snowflake judge doesn’t understand that free speech just means you have the right to say things without government persecution, not that people can’t loudly disagree and call you stupid for saying them. I defend his right to say anything he wants, and I defend their right to yell at him and call him whatever names they would like as long as it doesn’t cross to physical violence. The supposed free speech party only cares about freedom for their speech and the ability to silence the speech they don’t like. A true free speech advocate has to fight for the right of people you hate to say things you find objectionable.

Civility is lost on the left. Shouting down someone making a speech is silencing speech.

This. It shouldn't even be debated. While occasionally we see this happen from the right it seems pretty much SOP for moonbat leftists. WTF happened to common courtesy?
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(03-18-2023 09:41 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  
(03-15-2023 07:31 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  
(03-15-2023 07:07 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Snowflake judge doesn’t understand that free speech just means you have the right to say things without government persecution, not that people can’t loudly disagree and call you stupid for saying them. I defend his right to say anything he wants, and I defend their right to yell at him and call him whatever names they would like as long as it doesn’t cross to physical violence. The supposed free speech party only cares about freedom for their speech and the ability to silence the speech they don’t like. A true free speech advocate has to fight for the right of people you hate to say things you find objectionable.

Civility is lost on the left. Shouting down someone making a speech is silencing speech.

Nope. Silencing speech is making laws limiting speech. Shouting down someone is just multiple aholes using their rights to free speech. I’m sure I probably disagree with both that conservative justice and those ahole students and administrators, but I defend both of their rights to express their opinions that I probably don’t agree with.

And THIS is the used excuse for being an AHole and disrupting an event at a University in which they were "invited" to speak. Welcome to the new America where you just throw out all level of courtesy because of you are a triggered moonbat. I hope karma bites anyone that does this so hard that they regret it for the rest of their natural lives.07-coffee3
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Stanford DEI dean on leave after fueling disruptive protests of Trump-appointed judge


Quote:Stanford Law School Associate Dean for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Tirien Steinbach is reportedly on leave after she fueled the disruptive protests of Trump-appointed Fifth Circuit Appellate judge Kyle Duncan earlier this month.

According to a Wednesday memo obtained by the Washington Free Beacon, Stanford Law School Dean Jenny Martinez revealed that Steinbach is "currently on leave," giving no additional details, stating that the "university does not comment publicly on pending personnel matters."

Martinez wrote that "the role of any administrators present will be to ensure that university rules on disruption of events will be followed, and all staff will receive additional training in that regard."

She added that administrators "should not insert themselves into debate with their own criticism of the speaker's views."

In regards to students who participated in the disruption, Martinez wrote that instead of referring specific students for disciplinary sanction, all students would be required to take part in "mandatory education programming" on "free speech and norms of the legal profession." and how "vulgar personal insults" can harm students' "professional reputations."

At the speech, one protestor allegedly told Duncan, "we hope your daughters get raped."

Martinez wrote that a more detailed and explicit policy "with clear protocols for dealing with disruptions would better protect the rights of speakers and also those who wish to exercise their right to protest within permissible bounds, and is something we will seek to adopt and educate students and staff on going forward."

In regards to the Federalist Society, who hosted Duncan, Martinez wrote, "The Federalist Society has the same rights of free association that other student organizations at the law school have. Students calling for the law school administration to restrict the organization or the speakers it can bring to campus are demanding action inconsistent not only with freedom of speech but with rights to freedom of association that civil rights lawyers fought hard in the twentieth century to secure."

During Duncan’s speech, Steinbach issued a six-minute speech about same-sex marriage, trans rights, and reproductive rights.

Several students called for Steinbach to be fired, noting that it was Steinbach at the center of the day’s chaos, not the student protestors.

Martinez apologized to Duncan for the protests, only to arrive at her constitutional law class and see her whiteboard covered with flyers attacking Duncan and defending those who drowned him out.

"We, the students in your constitutional law class, are sorry for exercising our 1st Amendment rights," some flyers said.

Martinez addressed her apology in the memo, writing, "The President of the University and I have apologized to Judge Duncan for a very simple reason – to acknowledge that his speech was disrupted in ways that undermined his ability to deliver the remarks he wanted to give to audience members who wanted to hear them, as a result of the failure to ensure that the university’s disruption policies were followed. That apology, and the policy it defends, is fully consistent with the First Amendment and the Leonard Law."

I bet Alumni and Donors got on their ass.
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(03-23-2023 12:33 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  Stanford DEI dean on leave after fueling disruptive protests of Trump-appointed judge


Quote:Stanford Law School Associate Dean for Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Tirien Steinbach is reportedly on leave after she fueled the disruptive protests of Trump-appointed Fifth Circuit Appellate judge Kyle Duncan earlier this month.

According to a Wednesday memo obtained by the Washington Free Beacon, Stanford Law School Dean Jenny Martinez revealed that Steinbach is "currently on leave," giving no additional details, stating that the "university does not comment publicly on pending personnel matters."

Martinez wrote that "the role of any administrators present will be to ensure that university rules on disruption of events will be followed, and all staff will receive additional training in that regard."

She added that administrators "should not insert themselves into debate with their own criticism of the speaker's views."

In regards to students who participated in the disruption, Martinez wrote that instead of referring specific students for disciplinary sanction, all students would be required to take part in "mandatory education programming" on "free speech and norms of the legal profession." and how "vulgar personal insults" can harm students' "professional reputations."

At the speech, one protestor allegedly told Duncan, "we hope your daughters get raped."

Martinez wrote that a more detailed and explicit policy "with clear protocols for dealing with disruptions would better protect the rights of speakers and also those who wish to exercise their right to protest within permissible bounds, and is something we will seek to adopt and educate students and staff on going forward."

In regards to the Federalist Society, who hosted Duncan, Martinez wrote, "The Federalist Society has the same rights of free association that other student organizations at the law school have. Students calling for the law school administration to restrict the organization or the speakers it can bring to campus are demanding action inconsistent not only with freedom of speech but with rights to freedom of association that civil rights lawyers fought hard in the twentieth century to secure."

During Duncan’s speech, Steinbach issued a six-minute speech about same-sex marriage, trans rights, and reproductive rights.

Several students called for Steinbach to be fired, noting that it was Steinbach at the center of the day’s chaos, not the student protestors.

Martinez apologized to Duncan for the protests, only to arrive at her constitutional law class and see her whiteboard covered with flyers attacking Duncan and defending those who drowned him out.

"We, the students in your constitutional law class, are sorry for exercising our 1st Amendment rights," some flyers said.

Martinez addressed her apology in the memo, writing, "The President of the University and I have apologized to Judge Duncan for a very simple reason – to acknowledge that his speech was disrupted in ways that undermined his ability to deliver the remarks he wanted to give to audience members who wanted to hear them, as a result of the failure to ensure that the university’s disruption policies were followed. That apology, and the policy it defends, is fully consistent with the First Amendment and the Leonard Law."

I bet Alumni and Donors got on their ass.

She apologized to keep her job. Im sure it is nothing sincere since she fully accomplished what she set out to do...Invite a speaker that she has views in opposition to and then derail his remarks and get on her own soapbox. What a POS this woman is.03-puke
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