(02-16-2023 11:04 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I doubt anyone cares if you look at it or not. You're only a legend in your own mind.

I watched the same exact thing WKU likely watched...the network broadcast. I don't recall one time where they had any clear shot whatsoever of the treatment he was receiving and when it took place. He was surrounded by the teams and trainers within a minute or so and then they correctly only showed wide angles of the entire field to allow for the proper privacy of his treatment.

They pretty much pulled away the cameras as soon as he collapsed...and then they went immediately to replays while the training staff rushed the field and treatment started.

(02-16-2023 11:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 10:41 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  The world's foremost expert on everything has spoken.

How dare you posit a different opinion!

Just stop now because no different facts are allowed that contradict the official narrative, which I love to parrot. It's reckless to allow for different views!!

Perhaps you can cite ONE fact that WKU posted? He posted his opinion.

Any time he wants to post the full video of the incident with clear focus on what treatment Hamlin was receiving on the field and when, I'll gladly look at it.

Who here really gives a rip about what you, the self appointed expert on everything, believes?

(02-16-2023 11:08 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 11:02 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 10:41 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  The world's foremost expert on everything has spoken.

How dare you posit a different opinion!

Just stop now because no different facts are allowed that contradict the official narrative, which I love to parrot. It's reckless to allow for different views!!

Perhaps you can cite ONE fact that WKU posted? He posted his opinion.

Any time he wants to post the full video of the incident with clear focus on what treatment Hamlin was receiving on the field and when, I'll gladly look at it.

Who here really gives a rip about what you, the self appointed expert on everything, believes?

I tried to give a rip but failed miserably.

(02-16-2023 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 11:04 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I doubt anyone cares if you look at it or not. You're only a legend in your own mind.

I watched the same exact thing WKU likely watched...the network broadcast. I don't recall one time where they had any clear shot whatsoever of the treatment he was receiving and when it took place. He was surrounded by the teams and trainers within a minute or so and then they correctly only showed wide angles of the entire field to allow for the proper privacy of his treatment.

They pretty much pulled away the cameras as soon as he collapsed...and then they went immediately to replays while the training staff rushed the field and treatment started.

You want every one to believe a man's heart stopped and they are doing life saving CPR on him and wait another 4 or 5 minutes to even bring an ambulance onto the field? One other thing, you dont believe those talking heads doing play by play had a clear view of what was taking place? Maybe not with their own eyes but they did have people on the ground and those people were finding out what was happening.

You dont need a 100% clear view, for every second, you don't start CPR on someone then stop. You said you saw the video so point to any time before the talking heads said "they are now doing CPR" that you could see them doing that? While not 100% clear view all the time....there are shots that were clear.

While I never had to give it, like millions of others that are not doctors that did take classes in CPR....

It very easy to spot once someone is giving another person CPR. While I did not go to the link you posted, they very well could have did 9 minutes of CPR once they started. But they did not start that CPR till minutes after the hit.

Hell I did a search and now you can't find a full video of this from hit to the time they loaded him into the ambulance. Everyone I found starts at the hit then cuts to when the ambulance is on the field. But I do have it recorded on DVR and at the 40:20 mark he goes down and at the 43.45 mark they show a clear over the top view for maybe 10 seconds and no one is doing CPR. They have the stretcher out there but still no ambulance.

(02-16-2023 11:46 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 11:08 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-16-2023 11:04 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I doubt anyone cares if you look at it or not. You're only a legend in your own mind.

I watched the same exact thing WKU likely watched...the network broadcast. I don't recall one time where they had any clear shot whatsoever of the treatment he was receiving and when it took place. He was surrounded by the teams and trainers within a minute or so and then they correctly only showed wide angles of the entire field to allow for the proper privacy of his treatment.

They pretty much pulled away the cameras as soon as he collapsed...and then they went immediately to replays while the training staff rushed the field and treatment started.

You want every one to believe a man's heart stopped and they are doing life saving CPR on him and wait another 4 or 5 minutes to even bring an ambulance onto the field? One other thing, you dont believe those talking heads doing play by play had a clear view of what was taking place? Maybe not with their own eyes but they did have people on the ground and those people were finding out what was happening.

You dont need a 100% clear view, for every second, you don't start CPR on someone then stop. You said you saw the video so point to any time before the talking heads said "they are now doing CPR" that you could see them doing that? While not 100% clear view all the time....there are shots that were clear.

While I never had to give it, like millions of others that are not doctors that did take classes in CPR....

It very easy to spot once someone is giving another person CPR. While I did not go to the link you posted, they very well could have did 9 minutes of CPR once they started. But they did not start that CPR till minutes after the hit.

Hell I did a search and now you can't find a full video of this from hit to the time they loaded him into the ambulance. Everyone I found starts at the hit then cuts to when the ambulance is on the field. But I do have it recorded on DVR and at the 40:20 mark he goes down and at the 43.45 mark they show a clear over the top view for maybe 10 seconds and no one is doing CPR. They have the stretcher out there but still no ambulance.

Not a doctor, but they likely didn't need the ambulance. They had the medical staff there doing CPR and they also had the AED machine. They're not going to move him into the ambulance until he's able to be moved, which was after they got his heart beating again.

Additionally, the audio that has been released from the personnel made it clear that there was not time to just wait for an ambulance. It's not like it's parked on the side of the field...it was likely outside the stadium and needed to be brought onto the field through the tunnel. They didn't have time to wait for it.

What I will believe is the story I posted that says they started CPR around a minute after he collapsed. And no, I don't recall ANY shot from above or elsewhere that showed anyone performing CPR where you could see hands on the person or the giver moving on his chest as you would expect. I can't see any reputable producer showing that to the viewing public as that would just be grotesque.