(02-14-2023 12:44 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:40 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:36 PM)450bench Wrote:  Did the vaccine cause his issue??? Ridiculous

Maybe the gear he was wearing was defective and did not protect his chest from the blow? Maybe he modified the gear for better mobility and it put him at greater risk? The list of possible reasons is endless but now the vaccine gets put front and center? SMH.

Is that list really endless?

Sure. I could go Alex Jones on this and come up with an endless list.

Occams Razor folks. Occams Razor.

(02-14-2023 12:54 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Occams Razor folks. Occams Razor.

Isn't that the opposite of endless possibilities?


Q: Why have heart related issues risen drastically among young healthy males?

(02-14-2023 12:58 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Q: Why have heart related issues risen drastically among young healthy males?

Have they? Is there data from say 2016-2018 to compare to?

The answer could be "recency bias" or "fast access to data via social media aiding confirmation bias" as easily as mRNA.

Until I see a data comparison, to me it's anecdotal. (But I still won't take an mRNA shot because I want a full five year trial, not an emergency use approval.)

My guess is the dude has absolutely no clue as to if a vaccine caused his heart stoppage.

(02-14-2023 12:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:43 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:36 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  It's pure speculation that he or his doctors thought the jab had anything to do with his event. The guy got slammed in the chest. His heart stopped. Maybe he has some condition that he does not want to talk about that might prevent him from playing again if talks about it. There could be a dozen reasons that he is not discussing this.

That may be the case. But then again it could be vaccine related. That's what everyone is wondering.

There is more than ample medical evidence that cases of myocarditis and pericarditis have increased drastically recently, specifically in younger healthy males.

I just find it a huge reach to make the claim that Hamlin "refuses to say whether the vaccine caused his heart stoppage". There was absolutely nothing in that interview that would suggest such a thing...and its merely putting words in his mouth not spoken.

Other than the fact that he refused to answer the question at all?

(02-14-2023 12:52 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:44 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:40 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:36 PM)450bench Wrote:  Did the vaccine cause his issue??? Ridiculous

Maybe the gear he was wearing was defective and did not protect his chest from the blow? Maybe he modified the gear for better mobility and it put him at greater risk? The list of possible reasons is endless but now the vaccine gets put front and center? SMH.

Is that list really endless?

Sure. I could go Alex Jones on this and come up with an endless list.

You already did! While not endless you gave 2 or 3 that were baseless with ZERO to base them on other than, Maybe.

That is closer to Alex Jones than someone saying this could be caused by the 'jab' at least with that there is some collation proven to happen by SCIENCE

(02-14-2023 12:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He probably just didn't want to admit that he had a Chlamydia infection that caused the heart stoppage. While we're all just recklessly throwing **** at the wall...

that's XACLY! what fast tracking the g'dammed jab was ... g'dammit, ewe are one fk'n moron...

at least ya didn't bring up DJT ... that's would've really sunk ewer battleshite...

if ewe don't think anyone that took the jab w/booster(s) is 'counting down', well, you're dumber than I thought ewe were...

(02-14-2023 01:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He probably just didn't want to admit that he had a Chlamydia infection that caused the heart stoppage. While we're all just recklessly throwing **** at the wall...

that's XACLY! what fast tracking the g'dammed jab was ... g'dammit, ewe are one fk'n moron...

at least ya didn't bring up DJT ... that's would've really sunk ewer battleshite...

if ewe don't think anyone that took the jab w/booster(s) is 'counting down', well, you're dumber than I thought ewe were...

Although it does sound like Tom has experience with Chlamydia infections.

(02-14-2023 02:13 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 01:58 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:02 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  He probably just didn't want to admit that he had a Chlamydia infection that caused the heart stoppage. While we're all just recklessly throwing **** at the wall...

that's XACLY! what fast tracking the g'dammed jab was ... g'dammit, ewe are one fk'n moron...

at least ya didn't bring up DJT ... that's would've really sunk ewer battleshite...

if ewe don't think anyone that took the jab w/booster(s) is 'counting down', well, you're dumber than I thought ewe were...

Although it does sound like Tom has experience with Chlamydia infections.

they're too easy ... it's beyond sad they even attempt to make a solvent argument ... toss in the fact their wit is total dogshite (ref: SNL today ... even the Jews fk it up)

If he ever plays in the NFL again, there is no reason for teams to EVER do physicals on players again. He died on the field for goodness sake.

(02-14-2023 01:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  My guess is the dude has absolutely no clue as to if a vaccine caused his heart stoppage.

Quite possible.

(02-14-2023 12:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:43 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:36 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  It's pure speculation that he or his doctors thought the jab had anything to do with his event. The guy got slammed in the chest. His heart stopped. Maybe he has some condition that he does not want to talk about that might prevent him from playing again if talks about it. There could be a dozen reasons that he is not discussing this.

That may be the case. But then again it could be vaccine related. That's what everyone is wondering.

There is more than ample medical evidence that cases of myocarditis and pericarditis have increased drastically recently, specifically in younger healthy males.

I just find it a huge reach to make the claim that Hamlin "refuses to say whether the vaccine caused his heart stoppage". There was absolutely nothing in that interview that would suggest such a thing...and its merely putting words in his mouth not spoken.

To make you happy, I changed the thread title. But the original title is more accurate, b/c the tweet mentions the vaccine and makes the supposition that if it was NOT the vaccine, Hamlin would have said so immediately.

I think that is a safe assumption, but I don't want anyone to whine about a thread title. Plus, you have posed several alternative answers which, as noted earlier, have no evidence to date. The idea that the vaccine causes heart issues in some, especially healthy younger people, is certainly a fact.

And it's sure as hell not crazy to ask that question.

(02-14-2023 03:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:43 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:36 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  It's pure speculation that he or his doctors thought the jab had anything to do with his event. The guy got slammed in the chest. His heart stopped. Maybe he has some condition that he does not want to talk about that might prevent him from playing again if talks about it. There could be a dozen reasons that he is not discussing this.

That may be the case. But then again it could be vaccine related. That's what everyone is wondering.

There is more than ample medical evidence that cases of myocarditis and pericarditis have increased drastically recently, specifically in younger healthy males.

I just find it a huge reach to make the claim that Hamlin "refuses to say whether the vaccine caused his heart stoppage". There was absolutely nothing in that interview that would suggest such a thing...and its merely putting words in his mouth not spoken.

To make you happy, I changed the thread title. But the original title is more accurate, b/c the tweet mentions the vaccine and makes the supposition that if it was NOT the vaccine, Hamlin would have said so immediately.

I think that is a safe assumption, but I don't want anyone to whine about a thread title.

Why do you make that assumption. My health is nobody's damn business and it doesn't affect my future employment in the slightest. He gains absolutely nothing by putting his business out in the public.

(02-14-2023 03:17 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 03:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:43 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:36 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  It's pure speculation that he or his doctors thought the jab had anything to do with his event. The guy got slammed in the chest. His heart stopped. Maybe he has some condition that he does not want to talk about that might prevent him from playing again if talks about it. There could be a dozen reasons that he is not discussing this.

That may be the case. But then again it could be vaccine related. That's what everyone is wondering.

There is more than ample medical evidence that cases of myocarditis and pericarditis have increased drastically recently, specifically in younger healthy males.

I just find it a huge reach to make the claim that Hamlin "refuses to say whether the vaccine caused his heart stoppage". There was absolutely nothing in that interview that would suggest such a thing...and its merely putting words in his mouth not spoken.

To make you happy, I changed the thread title. But the original title is more accurate, b/c the tweet mentions the vaccine and makes the supposition that if it was NOT the vaccine, Hamlin would have said so immediately.

I think that is a safe assumption, but I don't want anyone to whine about a thread title.

Why do you make that assumption. My health is nobody's damn business and it doesn't affect my future employment in the slightest. He gains absolutely nothing by putting his business out in the public.

It's not MY assumption. Read closer. It is the assumption of the person who posted the tweet. I simply said it was a safe assumption. Certainly a distinct possibility, given the known facts.

But I forget, you guys prefer to rule out the possibilities you don't like.

It's just like shizzle throwing out 10 other possibilities which aren't backed by any evidence.

Is it not a fact that some percentage of young healthy people who take the vaccine experience heart issues? Why is it so important to you to rule out that assumption, when it is already proven? Damn...how in the hell did a medical issue become so politicized? Oh yeah...

(02-14-2023 03:17 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 03:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:50 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:43 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 12:36 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  It's pure speculation that he or his doctors thought the jab had anything to do with his event. The guy got slammed in the chest. His heart stopped. Maybe he has some condition that he does not want to talk about that might prevent him from playing again if talks about it. There could be a dozen reasons that he is not discussing this.

That may be the case. But then again it could be vaccine related. That's what everyone is wondering.

There is more than ample medical evidence that cases of myocarditis and pericarditis have increased drastically recently, specifically in younger healthy males.

I just find it a huge reach to make the claim that Hamlin "refuses to say whether the vaccine caused his heart stoppage". There was absolutely nothing in that interview that would suggest such a thing...and its merely putting words in his mouth not spoken.

To make you happy, I changed the thread title. But the original title is more accurate, b/c the tweet mentions the vaccine and makes the supposition that if it was NOT the vaccine, Hamlin would have said so immediately.

I think that is a safe assumption, but I don't want anyone to whine about a thread title.

Why do you make that assumption. My health is nobody's damn business and it doesn't affect my future employment in the slightest. He gains absolutely nothing by putting his business out in the public.

Because he was forced to take a vax that other were forced to take. A non-vax that was under emergency use authorization.

Its not his health. Its what caused his health condition.

Why is it the one side that happy clapped shutdowns and draconian measures, and got all up in our "health" and business, now is trying to tell people they controlled its none of their business. The same people who said I should be denied medical care for NOT getting the fake vax are the ones skyscreaming about medical implication of that non-vax. When I said I would refuse to show a vax status card, because it was MY HEALTHCARE and MY DECISION, you all went on a butthurt rant.

Sounds political.

(02-14-2023 01:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  My guess is the dude has absolutely no clue as to if a vaccine caused his heart stoppage.

Likely, but maybe he does know and simply doesn't want to publicly discuss his personal and confidential medical records? Under HIPPA we have to sign a release form even to share them with another doctor, but we expect him to share his with ABC News?

(02-14-2023 04:42 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 01:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  My guess is the dude has absolutely no clue as to if a vaccine caused his heart stoppage.

Likely, but maybe he does know and simply doesn't want to publicly discuss his personal and confidential medical records? Under HIPPA we have to sign a release form even to share them with another doctor, but we expect him to share his with ABC News?

Ummmm

Vaccine status left the station long ago.

A few months ago he wouldn't have been able to sit down for that interview or even be out in public without proving it....

Gtfo

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(02-14-2023 10:56 AM)JerryJeff Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 10:41 AM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  He seemed totally uncomfortable when Strahan posed the question.

Sat there in silence like he was debating "should I say it... should I say it???" before just opting out of the question.

And he didnt say he couldn't talk about it. He basically said he didn't want to talk about it.

Do you think maybe he is going to sue somebody and his lawyers told him to zip it? That's where my money is going.

Just starting this thread. My guess is they aren't gonna sue, they will settle, bigly, and his end of the deal is to dummy up about "the cause".

(02-14-2023 04:53 PM)maximus Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 04:42 PM)RobUCF Wrote:  

(02-14-2023 01:22 PM)VA49er Wrote:  My guess is the dude has absolutely no clue as to if a vaccine caused his heart stoppage.

Likely, but maybe he does know and simply doesn't want to publicly discuss his personal and confidential medical records? Under HIPPA we have to sign a release form even to share them with another doctor, but we expect him to share his with ABC News?

Ummmm

Vaccine status left the station long ago.

A few months ago he wouldn't have been able to sit down for that interview or even be out in public without proving it....

Gtfo

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Ummmm

The question was not "are you vaccinated?" it was "how would the doctor describe what happened to you?" - which would be his personal medical history. If anything your point would indicate that it's not vaccine related given his response.

Furthermore, I do not understand how anyone that was/is against the requirement to provide your employer vaccination records (I am) could then have the expectation that he share much more detailed medical information on national television.