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(12-14-2022 07:56 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 01:52 AM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 12:18 AM)Roy Munson Wrote:  Going to be a very interesting case study. Play for a lower end P5 and MAYBE get press and film...or stand out on the G5 world and get lots of tape.

He owes us nothing. Best of luck!

VT is a mess so he’ll probably start. Excelling against ACC defenses every week will be the real challenge. He’ll be good, just not sure how good.

He instantly becomes their #1 WR and was Top 5 in the nation last year...

He could have gone NFL this year if he really wanted but he'll be playing on Sundays eventually if he stays healthy. I dont like that he left either and especially to them but hes damn good and will most likely ball out if he has someone who can throw to him.

I would bet he got some informal feedback on his draft chances and determined that he would not have been a very high pick, if any. As I mentioned a few months ago, I don't think his measurables and small school status were going to help him.

Now, he goes P5 and likely with a solid NIL deal. I think he will do ok at VT, but I don't expect his production to be close to here. But if he can prove to perform there, he may get a shot at the draft.

(12-14-2022 10:30 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 07:56 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 01:52 AM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 12:18 AM)Roy Munson Wrote:  Going to be a very interesting case study. Play for a lower end P5 and MAYBE get press and film...or stand out on the G5 world and get lots of tape.

He owes us nothing. Best of luck!

VT is a mess so he’ll probably start. Excelling against ACC defenses every week will be the real challenge. He’ll be good, just not sure how good.

He instantly becomes their #1 WR and was Top 5 in the nation last year...

He could have gone NFL this year if he really wanted but he'll be playing on Sundays eventually if he stays healthy. I dont like that he left either and especially to them but hes damn good and will most likely ball out if he has someone who can throw to him.

I would bet he got some informal feedback on his draft chances and determined that he would not have been a very high pick, if any. As I mentioned a few months ago, I don't think his measurables and small school status were going to help him.

Now, he goes P5 and likely with a solid NIL deal. I think he will do ok at VT, but I don't expect his production to be close to here. But if he can prove to perform there, he may get a shot at the draft.

Correct on the draft. Would also wager 100% of this board would struggle to turn down the NIL deal he was offered by VT.

(12-14-2022 10:53 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:30 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 07:56 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 01:52 AM)ODU2017 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 12:18 AM)Roy Munson Wrote:  Going to be a very interesting case study. Play for a lower end P5 and MAYBE get press and film...or stand out on the G5 world and get lots of tape.

He owes us nothing. Best of luck!

VT is a mess so he’ll probably start. Excelling against ACC defenses every week will be the real challenge. He’ll be good, just not sure how good.

He instantly becomes their #1 WR and was Top 5 in the nation last year...

He could have gone NFL this year if he really wanted but he'll be playing on Sundays eventually if he stays healthy. I dont like that he left either and especially to them but hes damn good and will most likely ball out if he has someone who can throw to him.

I would bet he got some informal feedback on his draft chances and determined that he would not have been a very high pick, if any. As I mentioned a few months ago, I don't think his measurables and small school status were going to help him.

Now, he goes P5 and likely with a solid NIL deal. I think he will do ok at VT, but I don't expect his production to be close to here. But if he can prove to perform there, he may get a shot at the draft.

Correct on the draft. Would also wager 100% of this board would struggle to turn down the NIL deal he was offered by VT.

And people need to obviously realize that leaving ODU doesn't mean he hates it there but who would turn down thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of dollars?

(12-14-2022 10:54 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:53 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:30 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 07:56 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 01:52 AM)ODU2017 Wrote:  VT is a mess so he’ll probably start. Excelling against ACC defenses every week will be the real challenge. He’ll be good, just not sure how good.

He instantly becomes their #1 WR and was Top 5 in the nation last year...

He could have gone NFL this year if he really wanted but he'll be playing on Sundays eventually if he stays healthy. I dont like that he left either and especially to them but hes damn good and will most likely ball out if he has someone who can throw to him.

I would bet he got some informal feedback on his draft chances and determined that he would not have been a very high pick, if any. As I mentioned a few months ago, I don't think his measurables and small school status were going to help him.

Now, he goes P5 and likely with a solid NIL deal. I think he will do ok at VT, but I don't expect his production to be close to here. But if he can prove to perform there, he may get a shot at the draft.

Correct on the draft. Would also wager 100% of this board would struggle to turn down the NIL deal he was offered by VT.

And people need to obviously realize that leaving ODU doesn't mean he hates it there but who would turn down thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of dollars?

Was told over 6 figures.

(12-14-2022 11:02 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:54 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:53 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:30 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 07:56 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  He instantly becomes their #1 WR and was Top 5 in the nation last year...

He could have gone NFL this year if he really wanted but he'll be playing on Sundays eventually if he stays healthy. I dont like that he left either and especially to them but hes damn good and will most likely ball out if he has someone who can throw to him.

I would bet he got some informal feedback on his draft chances and determined that he would not have been a very high pick, if any. As I mentioned a few months ago, I don't think his measurables and small school status were going to help him.

Now, he goes P5 and likely with a solid NIL deal. I think he will do ok at VT, but I don't expect his production to be close to here. But if he can prove to perform there, he may get a shot at the draft.

Correct on the draft. Would also wager 100% of this board would struggle to turn down the NIL deal he was offered by VT.

And people need to obviously realize that leaving ODU doesn't mean he hates it there but who would turn down thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of dollars?

Was told over 6 figures.

Wow. Yeah. Hard to turn that down. Any idea how much ODU is paying our top guys for comparison?

(12-14-2022 11:09 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:02 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:54 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:53 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:30 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  I would bet he got some informal feedback on his draft chances and determined that he would not have been a very high pick, if any. As I mentioned a few months ago, I don't think his measurables and small school status were going to help him.

Now, he goes P5 and likely with a solid NIL deal. I think he will do ok at VT, but I don't expect his production to be close to here. But if he can prove to perform there, he may get a shot at the draft.

Correct on the draft. Would also wager 100% of this board would struggle to turn down the NIL deal he was offered by VT.

And people need to obviously realize that leaving ODU doesn't mean he hates it there but who would turn down thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of dollars?

Was told over 6 figures.

Wow. Yeah. Hard to turn that down. Any idea how much ODU is paying our top guys for comparison?

VT isn't paying anything. ODU isn't paying anything. NIL collectives offer these. NIL collectives are run by fans/donors/boosters. ODU fans have not set up a collective.

(12-14-2022 11:11 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:09 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:02 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:54 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:53 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  Correct on the draft. Would also wager 100% of this board would struggle to turn down the NIL deal he was offered by VT.

And people need to obviously realize that leaving ODU doesn't mean he hates it there but who would turn down thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of dollars?

Was told over 6 figures.

Wow. Yeah. Hard to turn that down. Any idea how much ODU is paying our top guys for comparison?

VT isn't paying anything. ODU isn't paying anything. NIL collectives offer these. NIL collectives are run by fans/donors/boosters. ODU fans have not set up a collective.

Have any of our SBC peers?

(12-14-2022 11:11 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:09 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:02 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:54 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:53 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  Correct on the draft. Would also wager 100% of this board would struggle to turn down the NIL deal he was offered by VT.

And people need to obviously realize that leaving ODU doesn't mean he hates it there but who would turn down thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of dollars?

Was told over 6 figures.

Wow. Yeah. Hard to turn that down. Any idea how much ODU is paying our top guys for comparison?

VT isn't paying anything. ODU isn't paying anything. NIL collectives offer these. NIL collectives are run by fans/donors/boosters. ODU fans have not set up a collective.

I kind of knew that, but the collectives just basically launder the money for the school don't they? I seem to recall Wood not wanting ODU fans to create a collective because he was afraid donors would give there instead of the athletic department. But if this is the way of the future, we as fans may need to consider that. For example, could The Monarchists (if they wanted) take donations to offer specific players the coach identifies? I wonder if we were able to offer Blake Watson (for example) $25,000 if he would have considered staying? Could we reach out to some of these basketball players that JJs new guys are recruiting that have several P5 offers, and let them know we can give them $X,0000 if they sign with us? Its gross, and I hate it, but if that's how the world works now, I guess its better than losing.

(12-14-2022 11:31 AM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:11 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:09 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:02 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:54 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  And people need to obviously realize that leaving ODU doesn't mean he hates it there but who would turn down thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of dollars?

Was told over 6 figures.

Wow. Yeah. Hard to turn that down. Any idea how much ODU is paying our top guys for comparison?

VT isn't paying anything. ODU isn't paying anything. NIL collectives offer these. NIL collectives are run by fans/donors/boosters. ODU fans have not set up a collective.

Have any of our SBC peers?

https://thetealcollective.com

(12-14-2022 11:41 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:31 AM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:11 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:09 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:02 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  Was told over 6 figures.

Wow. Yeah. Hard to turn that down. Any idea how much ODU is paying our top guys for comparison?

VT isn't paying anything. ODU isn't paying anything. NIL collectives offer these. NIL collectives are run by fans/donors/boosters. ODU fans have not set up a collective.

Have any of our SBC peers?

https://thetealcollective.com

Nice! I was just curious. I feel like this is a keep up or get left behind situation.

(12-14-2022 11:31 AM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:11 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:09 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:02 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:54 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  And people need to obviously realize that leaving ODU doesn't mean he hates it there but who would turn down thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of dollars?

Was told over 6 figures.

Wow. Yeah. Hard to turn that down. Any idea how much ODU is paying our top guys for comparison?

VT isn't paying anything. ODU isn't paying anything. NIL collectives offer these. NIL collectives are run by fans/donors/boosters. ODU fans have not set up a collective.

Have any of our SBC peers?

App has two collectives.
http://mountaineercollective.com/
https://houseunitedsports.com/pages/elevate33

Coastal has one:
https://thetealcollective.com/

I've seen some fans call Louisiana's ULtra a collective but it is more of an NIL portal that an alum of theirs is running (She's a former CAA agent). Here is an article about it:
https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...a7c8c.html

NIL portals act as an intermediary connecting athletes to businesses. ODU has one set up with IconSource and they have an agreement with Brandr to help manage the school's logo use (licensing) in these NIL deals. We will be going into a lot more length on NIL on an upcoming episode of the podcast.

(12-14-2022 11:39 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:11 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:09 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:02 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 10:54 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  And people need to obviously realize that leaving ODU doesn't mean he hates it there but who would turn down thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of dollars?

Was told over 6 figures.

Wow. Yeah. Hard to turn that down. Any idea how much ODU is paying our top guys for comparison?

VT isn't paying anything. ODU isn't paying anything. NIL collectives offer these. NIL collectives are run by fans/donors/boosters. ODU fans have not set up a collective.

I kind of knew that, but the collectives just basically launder the money for the school don't they? I seem to recall Wood not wanting ODU fans to create a collective because he was afraid donors would give there instead of the athletic department. But if this is the way of the future, we as fans may need to consider that. For example, could The Monarchists (if they wanted) take donations to offer specific players the coach identifies? I wonder if we were able to offer Blake Watson (for example) $25,000 if he would have considered staying? Could we reach out to some of these basketball players that JJs new guys are recruiting that have several P5 offers, and let them know we can give them $X,0000 if they sign with us? Its gross, and I hate it, but if that's how the world works now, I guess its better than losing.

It's not university money being spent on these athletes. It's donor money that is supposed to be for marketing of that donor's company. So I would say it is absolutely not a laundering situation.

And yes, the Monarchists could take donations to set up an NIL to offer athletes.

(12-14-2022 11:54 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:31 AM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:11 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:09 AM)monarx Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:02 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  Was told over 6 figures.

Wow. Yeah. Hard to turn that down. Any idea how much ODU is paying our top guys for comparison?

VT isn't paying anything. ODU isn't paying anything. NIL collectives offer these. NIL collectives are run by fans/donors/boosters. ODU fans have not set up a collective.

Have any of our SBC peers?

App has two collectives.
http://mountaineercollective.com/
https://houseunitedsports.com/pages/elevate33

Coastal has one:
https://thetealcollective.com/

I've seen some fans call Louisiana's ULtra a collective but it is more of an NIL portal that an alum of theirs is running (She's a former CAA agent). Here is an article about it:
https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...a7c8c.html

NIL portals act as an intermediary connecting athletes to businesses. ODU has one set up with IconSource and they have an agreement with Brandr to help manage the school's logo use (licensing) in these NIL deals. We will be going into a lot more length on NIL on an upcoming episode of the podcast.

NIL appears to be the final straw in corrupting college sports. Now the fans have to pay the players. Geesh

(12-14-2022 11:58 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:54 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:31 AM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:11 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:09 AM)monarx Wrote:  Wow. Yeah. Hard to turn that down. Any idea how much ODU is paying our top guys for comparison?

VT isn't paying anything. ODU isn't paying anything. NIL collectives offer these. NIL collectives are run by fans/donors/boosters. ODU fans have not set up a collective.

Have any of our SBC peers?

App has two collectives.
http://mountaineercollective.com/
https://houseunitedsports.com/pages/elevate33

Coastal has one:
https://thetealcollective.com/

I've seen some fans call Louisiana's ULtra a collective but it is more of an NIL portal that an alum of theirs is running (She's a former CAA agent). Here is an article about it:
https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...a7c8c.html

NIL portals act as an intermediary connecting athletes to businesses. ODU has one set up with IconSource and they have an agreement with Brandr to help manage the school's logo use (licensing) in these NIL deals. We will be going into a lot more length on NIL on an upcoming episode of the podcast.

NIL appears to be the final straw in corrupting college sports. Now the fans have to pay the players. Geesh

Fans have paid college athletes for a very long time. SEC bag men were a thing for decades. No show jobs existed, cars given to star athletes, houses bought for families, you name it. Now it’s just out in the open and more fans can be involved without it being so seedy.

(12-14-2022 12:07 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:58 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:54 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:31 AM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:11 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  VT isn't paying anything. ODU isn't paying anything. NIL collectives offer these. NIL collectives are run by fans/donors/boosters. ODU fans have not set up a collective.

Have any of our SBC peers?

App has two collectives.
http://mountaineercollective.com/
https://houseunitedsports.com/pages/elevate33

Coastal has one:
https://thetealcollective.com/

I've seen some fans call Louisiana's ULtra a collective but it is more of an NIL portal that an alum of theirs is running (She's a former CAA agent). Here is an article about it:
https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...a7c8c.html

NIL portals act as an intermediary connecting athletes to businesses. ODU has one set up with IconSource and they have an agreement with Brandr to help manage the school's logo use (licensing) in these NIL deals. We will be going into a lot more length on NIL on an upcoming episode of the podcast.

NIL appears to be the final straw in corrupting college sports. Now the fans have to pay the players. Geesh

Fans have paid college athletes for a very long time. SEC bag men were a thing for decades. No show jobs existed, cars given to star athletes, houses bought for families, you name it. Now it’s just out in the open and more fans can be involved without it being so seedy.

Yes, good point. The difference is that was usually the Power 5. Now G5 has to do the same thing.

(12-14-2022 12:17 PM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 12:07 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:58 AM)CalODUFan Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:54 AM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(12-14-2022 11:31 AM)ShenValleyMonarch12 Wrote:  Have any of our SBC peers?

App has two collectives.
http://mountaineercollective.com/
https://houseunitedsports.com/pages/elevate33

Coastal has one:
https://thetealcollective.com/

I've seen some fans call Louisiana's ULtra a collective but it is more of an NIL portal that an alum of theirs is running (She's a former CAA agent). Here is an article about it:
https://www.dnronline.com/sports/college...a7c8c.html

NIL portals act as an intermediary connecting athletes to businesses. ODU has one set up with IconSource and they have an agreement with Brandr to help manage the school's logo use (licensing) in these NIL deals. We will be going into a lot more length on NIL on an upcoming episode of the podcast.

NIL appears to be the final straw in corrupting college sports. Now the fans have to pay the players. Geesh

Fans have paid college athletes for a very long time. SEC bag men were a thing for decades. No show jobs existed, cars given to star athletes, houses bought for families, you name it. Now it’s just out in the open and more fans can be involved without it being so seedy.

Yes, good point. The difference is that was usually the Power 5. Now G5 has to do the same thing.

Yep. And it wasn't wooing players from other schools as much as it was for high school kids or JUCOs not yet enrolled in college. In the SEC they would say "if you aint cheating, you aint trying". They've just made the cheating legal now. So now if a school isn't paying via NIL, they aren't trying. My hope is, if the P5 break away, the remainder can reign in some of this transfer mania and no salary cap payment stuff. I support grad transfers without sitting out, transfers with a 1 year wait, and COA stipends (equal at every school wishing to participate) to go along with all the usual benefits and scholarships. The rest is ruining the sport for the fans, and without the fans it will all collapse.

It all feels so dirty

I don't mind too much that kids are rewarded for their hard work. Personally, I think a scholarship, food, clothes, education, etc. is a benefit for these kids, but I understand wanting money on top of that.

But, the problem with the system is that its used as a recruiting tool to get in the most hyped players and not as a reward system for players playing well.

If you search Ali Jennings NIL, On3 currently has his annual NIL monetary vaule at $154k.

Does anyone have knowledge of his deals and can anyone confirm their value?

Also listed is...

DJ Mack @ $37K

Robert Kennedy @ $19.2K

Mario Easterly @ $18.2K

(12-14-2022 02:40 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  If you search Ali Jennings NIL, On3 currently has his annual NIL monetary vaule at $154k.

Does anyone have knowledge of his deals and can anyone confirm their value?

Also listed is...

DJ Mack @ $37K

Robert Kennedy @ $19.2K

Mario Easterly @ $18.2K

I was told Ali was getting 6 figure offers before he announced. As for the others, no idea where these numbers came from. But given who they are, they don’t seem to track with on field performance or even social media presence.