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Its no different than before. If a P5 really wanted a kid, they got him. Nowadays, the only difference in the P5 gets him and the kid legally gets paid. We don't have the NIL collectives the big dogs have and never will. We have to compete in our arena.

Having said that, I have no issues recruiting everyone. You never know what will happen in the future. We had a bunch of guys in last week, from what I was told, and I hope that we get a couple sealed and delivered soon.

Some of these "better" teams (not P5 money schools, but places like Memphis, Temple, or more recently, Dayton, VCU, GMU, FAU, Belmont) don't have any more money than we do. If it all comes down to money, I don't see why we cant just throw all of our NIL resources (if we have any) after 1 or 2 top 100 guys. Surely we can compete with teams like those. Maybe we should have offered some of these guys going to VCU some money to come play for us. Even if we only had $150,000 a year, offer 2 or 3 star players $50k each and buy a winning squad.

(04-25-2023 01:12 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Its no different than before. If a P5 really wanted a kid, they got him. Nowadays, the only difference in the P5 gets him and the kid legally gets paid. We don't have the NIL collectives the big dogs have and never will. We have to compete in our arena.

Having said that, I have no issues recruiting everyone. You never know what will happen in the future. We had a bunch of guys in last week, from what I was told, and I hope that we get a couple sealed and delivered soon.

Yeah I get that and people would have to be naïve to believe it didnt happen.

Leaving for a P5 is pretty common and agreed, we cant compete. Lets just hope peer institutions dont develop cash flows for NIL before we do...

(04-25-2023 01:18 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:12 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Its no different than before. If a P5 really wanted a kid, they got him. Nowadays, the only difference in the P5 gets him and the kid legally gets paid. We don't have the NIL collectives the big dogs have and never will. We have to compete in our arena.

Having said that, I have no issues recruiting everyone. You never know what will happen in the future. We had a bunch of guys in last week, from what I was told, and I hope that we get a couple sealed and delivered soon.

Yeah I get that and people would have to be naïve to believe it didnt happen.

Leaving for a P5 is pretty common and agreed, we cant compete. Lets just hope peer institutions dont develop cash flows for NIL before we do...

They're doing it right now.

http://mountaineercollective.com
https://thetealcollective.com
https://theowlcollective.com
https://queencitycollective.net/coming-soon/
https://teamboneyard.org
https://havocunltd.com/

Interestingly, some of these collectives offer incentives. Maybe ODU fans could work with Rhane/Jones for some benefits to join a collective. Like a $250 annual membership fee that gets you access to a "big blue bbq" type event, a private message board with more behind the scenes info (similar to the old private board on Monarch Nation, IYKYK), maybe a weekly in season email to members from coaches, meet the players events, monthly raffles for signed items, or lunches at Dirty Buffalo or something. If we could get 500-1000 people on board with that, there's some difference making money. Of course, Wood would likely hate it because folks might choose to give there instead of in addition to ODAF.

(04-25-2023 01:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:18 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:12 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Its no different than before. If a P5 really wanted a kid, they got him. Nowadays, the only difference in the P5 gets him and the kid legally gets paid. We don't have the NIL collectives the big dogs have and never will. We have to compete in our arena.

Having said that, I have no issues recruiting everyone. You never know what will happen in the future. We had a bunch of guys in last week, from what I was told, and I hope that we get a couple sealed and delivered soon.

Yeah I get that and people would have to be naïve to believe it didnt happen.

Leaving for a P5 is pretty common and agreed, we cant compete. Lets just hope peer institutions dont develop cash flows for NIL before we do...

They're doing it right now.

http://mountaineercollective.com
https://thetealcollective.com
https://theowlcollective.com
https://queencitycollective.net/coming-soon/
https://teamboneyard.org
https://havocunltd.com/

Left in dust cloud.....

(04-25-2023 01:40 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:18 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:12 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Its no different than before. If a P5 really wanted a kid, they got him. Nowadays, the only difference in the P5 gets him and the kid legally gets paid. We don't have the NIL collectives the big dogs have and never will. We have to compete in our arena.

Having said that, I have no issues recruiting everyone. You never know what will happen in the future. We had a bunch of guys in last week, from what I was told, and I hope that we get a couple sealed and delivered soon.

Yeah I get that and people would have to be naïve to believe it didnt happen.

Leaving for a P5 is pretty common and agreed, we cant compete. Lets just hope peer institutions dont develop cash flows for NIL before we do...

They're doing it right now.

http://mountaineercollective.com
https://thetealcollective.com
https://theowlcollective.com
https://queencitycollective.net/coming-soon/
https://teamboneyard.org
https://havocunltd.com/

Left in dust cloud.....

While probably true, it does seem that these are fan initiated. ODU admin should be actively encouraging the development of a collective, but their hands are somewhat tied as the school cant directly pay the players. Its up to us to pool the money, and let the school/coaches know what has been raised and what we hope they spend it on. If ODU would even allow them to take it. I assume they would.

(04-25-2023 01:49 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:40 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:18 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:12 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Its no different than before. If a P5 really wanted a kid, they got him. Nowadays, the only difference in the P5 gets him and the kid legally gets paid. We don't have the NIL collectives the big dogs have and never will. We have to compete in our arena.

Having said that, I have no issues recruiting everyone. You never know what will happen in the future. We had a bunch of guys in last week, from what I was told, and I hope that we get a couple sealed and delivered soon.

Yeah I get that and people would have to be naïve to believe it didnt happen.

Leaving for a P5 is pretty common and agreed, we cant compete. Lets just hope peer institutions dont develop cash flows for NIL before we do...

They're doing it right now.

http://mountaineercollective.com
https://thetealcollective.com
https://theowlcollective.com
https://queencitycollective.net/coming-soon/
https://teamboneyard.org
https://havocunltd.com/

Left in dust cloud.....

While probably true, it does seem that these are fan initiated. ODU admin should be actively encouraging the development of a collective, but their hands are somewhat tied as the school cant directly pay the players. Its up to us to pool the money, and let the school/coaches know what has been raised and what we hope they spend it on. If ODU would even allow them to take it. I assume they would.

Where is ODU's collective? Ill donate extra money to get competitive with NIL. Oh yeah, our collective is MIA because our admin is clueless on how to facilitate one. ODU admin- WAKE UP!

(04-25-2023 01:49 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:40 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:18 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:12 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Its no different than before. If a P5 really wanted a kid, they got him. Nowadays, the only difference in the P5 gets him and the kid legally gets paid. We don't have the NIL collectives the big dogs have and never will. We have to compete in our arena.

Having said that, I have no issues recruiting everyone. You never know what will happen in the future. We had a bunch of guys in last week, from what I was told, and I hope that we get a couple sealed and delivered soon.

Yeah I get that and people would have to be naïve to believe it didnt happen.

Leaving for a P5 is pretty common and agreed, we cant compete. Lets just hope peer institutions dont develop cash flows for NIL before we do...

They're doing it right now.

http://mountaineercollective.com
https://thetealcollective.com
https://theowlcollective.com
https://queencitycollective.net/coming-soon/
https://teamboneyard.org
https://havocunltd.com/

Left in dust cloud.....

While probably true, it does seem that these are fan initiated. ODU admin should be actively encouraging the development of a collective, but their hands are somewhat tied as the school cant directly pay the players. Its up to us to pool the money, and let the school/coaches know what has been raised and what we hope they spend it on. If ODU would even allow them to take it. I assume they would.

Come on guys, yall need to research the collectives some more.

And show a little more patience.

(04-25-2023 02:55 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:49 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:40 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:18 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Yeah I get that and people would have to be naïve to believe it didnt happen.

Leaving for a P5 is pretty common and agreed, we cant compete. Lets just hope peer institutions dont develop cash flows for NIL before we do...

They're doing it right now.

http://mountaineercollective.com
https://thetealcollective.com
https://theowlcollective.com
https://queencitycollective.net/coming-soon/
https://teamboneyard.org
https://havocunltd.com/

Left in dust cloud.....

While probably true, it does seem that these are fan initiated. ODU admin should be actively encouraging the development of a collective, but their hands are somewhat tied as the school cant directly pay the players. Its up to us to pool the money, and let the school/coaches know what has been raised and what we hope they spend it on. If ODU would even allow them to take it. I assume they would.

Come on guys, yall need to research the collectives some more.

And show a little more patience.

Patience has gotten our program nowhere. We need to quit twiddling our thumbs and get aggressive with this. From fans to donors to admin staff, the school needs to figure it out quick.

(04-25-2023 02:55 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:49 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:40 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:18 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Yeah I get that and people would have to be naïve to believe it didnt happen.

Leaving for a P5 is pretty common and agreed, we cant compete. Lets just hope peer institutions dont develop cash flows for NIL before we do...

They're doing it right now.

http://mountaineercollective.com
https://thetealcollective.com
https://theowlcollective.com
https://queencitycollective.net/coming-soon/
https://teamboneyard.org
https://havocunltd.com/

Left in dust cloud.....

While probably true, it does seem that these are fan initiated. ODU admin should be actively encouraging the development of a collective, but their hands are somewhat tied as the school cant directly pay the players. Its up to us to pool the money, and let the school/coaches know what has been raised and what we hope they spend it on. If ODU would even allow them to take it. I assume they would.

Come on guys, yall need to research the collectives some more.

And show a little more patience.

But other teams are already buying off our players. Its literally happening now. We need to fight fire with fire. I realize we won't have the monetary ammo of a P5, but we can start wooing some guys on the way down from P5 that will be top performers at the mid/G5 level instead of other schools getting them, or buy off some guys from other top mids who won't pay as much. Case in point, this QB from Texas who some say is a long shot, maybe $30k makes the difference. Especially if it comes down to a choice of G5s. Hypothetically, a recruit looking at ECU vs ODU is hard for us to win in a football recruit war, but ODU plus $30k probably trumps ECU plus $5k.

(04-25-2023 02:55 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:49 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:40 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 01:18 PM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Yeah I get that and people would have to be naïve to believe it didnt happen.

Leaving for a P5 is pretty common and agreed, we cant compete. Lets just hope peer institutions dont develop cash flows for NIL before we do...

They're doing it right now.

http://mountaineercollective.com
https://thetealcollective.com
https://theowlcollective.com
https://queencitycollective.net/coming-soon/
https://teamboneyard.org
https://havocunltd.com/

Left in dust cloud.....

While probably true, it does seem that these are fan initiated. ODU admin should be actively encouraging the development of a collective, but their hands are somewhat tied as the school cant directly pay the players. Its up to us to pool the money, and let the school/coaches know what has been raised and what we hope they spend it on. If ODU would even allow them to take it. I assume they would.

Come on guys, yall need to research the collectives some more.

And show a little more patience.

Patience has gotten our program nowhere. We need to quit twiddling our thumbs and get aggressive with this. From fans to donors to admin staff, the school needs to figure it out quick.

Imagine if our NIL collective booted up and everyone in the 757 buys in since we don’t have pro sports here and barely have semi-pro. We could turn ODU into the 757 sports team that everyone wants to be a part of because we’d be getting the best.

Question to those outraged that the athletic department isn't leading the charge on creating an NIL fund:

Why would the athletic department promote something that will divert funding away from its own donation campaigns?

Don't explain to me why NIL is important, I get it. My question is why would you expect the school to promote decreasing their own revenue? This seems like borderline delusional thinking.

If you really believe that NIL funds won't divert revenue away from athletic department fundraising, please tell us your reasoning.

(04-25-2023 07:31 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  Question to those outraged that the athletic department isn't leading the charge on creating an NIL fund:

Why would the athletic department promote something that will divert funding away from its own donation campaigns?

Don't explain to me why NIL is important, I get it. My question is why would you expect the school to promote decreasing their own revenue? This seems like borderline delusional thinking.

If you really believe that NIL funds won't divert revenue away from athletic department fundraising, please tell us your reasoning.

I’m not outraged. I understand the financial pressures ODAF is under. But here’s my take on why NIL is worthwhile.

Talent retention and recruitment is a necessary place to invest for all businesses. The cost to replace is always higher and doesn’t guarantee a better replacement.

Also, if you can retain your talent and attract better talent, your odds of winning increase. Winning fills the seats and brings in more revenue and new donors.

(04-25-2023 07:39 PM)Monarchist13 Wrote:  

(04-25-2023 07:31 PM)ODU2017 Wrote:  Question to those outraged that the athletic department isn't leading the charge on creating an NIL fund:

Why would the athletic department promote something that will divert funding away from its own donation campaigns?

Don't explain to me why NIL is important, I get it. My question is why would you expect the school to promote decreasing their own revenue? This seems like borderline delusional thinking.

If you really believe that NIL funds won't divert revenue away from athletic department fundraising, please tell us your reasoning.

I’m not outraged. I understand the financial pressures ODAF is under. But here’s my take on why NIL is worthwhile.

Talent retention and recruitment is a necessary place to invest for all businesses. The cost to replace is always higher and doesn’t guarantee a better replacement.

Also, if you can retain your talent and attract better talent, your odds of winning increase. Winning fills the seats and brings in more revenue and new donors.

What I am getting at is fans should stop expecting the school to do anything. Fans need to step up and take the lead.

Imagine Wood asking the admin finance team for money to launch a fundraising campaign. But the campaign is for the express goal of persuading current donors to stop donating to ODU. Imagine him telling the donors to stop donating to ODU and instead donate to an external, private blackbox NIL fund that isn't tax-deductible.

You and I understand why it's a good idea but don't expect the school to start attacking its own donation revenue-stream.

It’ll happen

NIL should improve winning. Winning will put fans in seats and bring in more revenue and donations to the school. That’s why Wood should support a collective. Without it, we won’t be able to compete. And if we continue losing, eventually the fan base and donations dry up. So it’s in his best interest to do what it takes to win.

(04-25-2023 10:10 PM)monarx Wrote:  NIL should improve winning. Winning will put fans in seats and bring in more revenue and donations to the school. That’s why Wood should support a collective. Without it, we won’t be able to compete. And if we continue losing, eventually the fan base and donations dry up. So it’s in his best interest to do what it takes to win.

Yes. Amen to this. And these are the NIL collective scenarios Wood and company needs to bring attention to the admin and the big donors. Give Ellmer a call so that he can get ODU players deals with all of his Priority dealerships. ODU players should make appearances for any Priority events. They should get deals for nice cars too. Hey, every other p5 school like Alabama and LSU hook their players up with nice rides. Why cant we?

(04-25-2023 01:16 PM)monarx Wrote:  Some of these "better" teams (not P5 money schools, but places like Memphis, Temple, or more recently, Dayton, VCU, GMU, FAU, Belmont) don't have any more money than we do. If it all comes down to money, I don't see why we cant just throw all of our NIL resources (if we have any) after 1 or 2 top 100 guys. Surely we can compete with teams like those. Maybe we should have offered some of these guys going to VCU some money to come play for us. Even if we only had $150,000 a year, offer 2 or 3 star players $50k each and buy a winning squad.

Absolutely Memphis & VCU have more money allotted for MBB, no debate. ODU removes FB (which isn't happening) and keep the fundraising where it currently is, then yes they can plug more into that program.