(11-25-2022 11:30 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 09:38 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 05:09 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-24-2022 10:01 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-24-2022 05:12 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  The decline among males attending college will lead to a shift in American households where women will eventually become the primary breadwinner & men’s roles will be further compromised. This should be an alarming statistic for believers in the traditional American family.

Ha. Not if all the men go to trade school, while women get a sociology degree...

Neither are true now nor will it be in the future.

Yes, they are true right now, and the gap is about to get wider.

So all men will go to trade school and all women will get Sociology Degrees? You really don’t want to argue that.

Ahhhh.... so you and former guest are into intentionally misconstruing words. Got it. Yeah, of course I mean EVERY SINGLE MALE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH...
Some of you peo.... no, ALL of you people are insufferable.

(11-26-2022 02:03 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:30 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 09:38 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 05:09 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-24-2022 10:01 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Ha. Not if all the men go to trade school, while women get a sociology degree...

Neither are true now nor will it be in the future.

Yes, they are true right now, and the gap is about to get wider.

So all men will go to trade school and all women will get Sociology Degrees? You really don’t want to argue that.

Ahhhh.... so you and former guest are into intentionally misconstruing words. Got it. Yeah, of course I mean EVERY SINGLE MALE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH...
Some of you peo.... no, ALL of you people are insufferable.

I include you with all of us insufferable people.

Glad to be here.

(11-26-2022 02:03 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:30 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 09:38 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 05:09 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-24-2022 10:01 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Ha. Not if all the men go to trade school, while women get a sociology degree...

Neither are true now nor will it be in the future.

Yes, they are true right now, and the gap is about to get wider.

So all men will go to trade school and all women will get Sociology Degrees? You really don’t want to argue that.

Ahhhh.... so you and former guest are into intentionally misconstruing words. Got it. Yeah, of course I mean EVERY SINGLE MALE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH...
Some of you peo.... no, ALL of you people are insufferable.

Choose your words better if you don't want to get called on it. After all, you put it on the internet so it must be true, right?

(11-26-2022 11:44 AM)former guest Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 02:03 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:30 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 09:38 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 05:09 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Neither are true now nor will it be in the future.

Yes, they are true right now, and the gap is about to get wider.

So all men will go to trade school and all women will get Sociology Degrees? You really don’t want to argue that.

Ahhhh.... so you and former guest are into intentionally misconstruing words. Got it. Yeah, of course I mean EVERY SINGLE MALE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH...
Some of you peo.... no, ALL of you people are insufferable.

Choose your words better if you don't want to get called on it. After all, you put it on the internet so it must be true, right?

Fair point...

A college degree still guarantees you a much higher chance of employment then no degree at all. The unemployment rate for those with a college degree is pretty much half compared to GED/High School graduates. Now, that job might not be totally within your degree's area BUT you will be prioritized over non-bachelors every time if its a tie re: experience, etc. Its also true a bachelors is essentially the floor now. It'll get your foot in the door in a Fortune 500 Customer Service gig but to move up from there you pretty much have to get an MBA or other postgraduate degree.

(11-24-2022 03:08 PM)former guest Wrote:  Thanks for the link. Some things to think about in there that will impact our university is several ways, and how much leadership may have to react to in the future.

This is something that has been noted over and over with the UofM in past years - they know it's coming, and are working on plans to mitigate the losses....hopefully it won't be too little, too late.

(11-24-2022 05:12 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  

(11-24-2022 04:05 PM)Alanda Wrote:  Yeah there were reports coming out last year about the decline of men going to or graduating from college. With Memphis specifically they need to address the high withdrawal rate. I don't think it's fair to the school's perception nor these students that aren't/never will be ready for a four-year school to keep things going as it has. Failure is a part of life, but this is one that could be mitigated better.

The decline among males attending college will lead to a shift in American households where women will eventually become the primary breadwinner & men’s roles will be further compromised. This should be an alarming statistic for believers in the traditional American family.

The traditional American family went the way of the dodo a few decades ago. And a lot of us females finally have more freedom...to raise our families with a companion who shares parenting...and housekeeping...and interests.

I don't know if anything has changed, but about 15 years ago, I had a GED friend who enrolled in the U of M, mostly at night because she worked during the day. She failed to attend orientation as a non-traditional student; no one with the U followed up on that. Her advisor seemed completely lacking. She had no clue how to use the library, and no clue how to access her course instructions online.
She was allowed to basically choose her own courses, without rhyme or reason, though she needed to be in remedial English, could not spell. She chose a third-year Spanish course, and struggled through Spanish for more than 2 years, until her grades got too poor to continue. The most surprising thing, though, is she sat in a class for a whole semester, arrived to take the final exam, and was told she wasn't registered in that course. I hope the U has improved in so many different ways in its efforts at retention. It took my friend a lot of nerve and effort to enroll in her 40's, and she was motivated. She fell through the cracks.
The U failed her.

The article linked is more specifically related to trends in the white population (i.e. their referenced example is a College in southern Pennsylvania). SCS still has nearly 111,000 students enrolled. UM has a significant minority population already and should be well positioned to handle a further demographic shift to match population trends.

(11-28-2022 01:25 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  I don't know if anything has changed, but about 15 years ago, I had a GED friend who enrolled in the U of M, mostly at night because she worked during the day. She failed to attend orientation as a non-traditional student; no one with the U followed up on that. Her advisor seemed completely lacking. She had no clue how to use the library, and no clue how to access her course instructions online.
She was allowed to basically choose her own courses, without rhyme or reason, though she needed to be in remedial English, could not spell. She chose a third-year Spanish course, and struggled through Spanish for more than 2 years, until her grades got too poor to continue. The most surprising thing, though, is she sat in a class for a whole semester, arrived to take the final exam, and was told she wasn't registered in that course. I hope the U has improved in so many different ways in its efforts at retention. It took my friend a lot of nerve and effort to enroll in her 40's, and she was motivated. She fell through the cracks.
The U failed her.

College is not for everyone. We've tried to make it that way, but you cannot put a square peg into a round hole.

(11-28-2022 02:49 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 01:25 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  I don't know if anything has changed, but about 15 years ago, I had a GED friend who enrolled in the U of M, mostly at night because she worked during the day. She failed to attend orientation as a non-traditional student; no one with the U followed up on that. Her advisor seemed completely lacking. She had no clue how to use the library, and no clue how to access her course instructions online.
She was allowed to basically choose her own courses, without rhyme or reason, though she needed to be in remedial English, could not spell. She chose a third-year Spanish course, and struggled through Spanish for more than 2 years, until her grades got too poor to continue. The most surprising thing, though, is she sat in a class for a whole semester, arrived to take the final exam, and was told she wasn't registered in that course. I hope the U has improved in so many different ways in its efforts at retention. It took my friend a lot of nerve and effort to enroll in her 40's, and she was motivated. She fell through the cracks.
The U failed her.

College is not for everyone. We've tried to make it that way, but you cannot put a square peg into a round hole.

Absolutely. Think Haslem deserves big props for pushing through the TN Promise Act. Either getting an associates degree or knocking out all your gen-ed stuff before enrolling in a four year institution should help a ton of people out. Not to mention the help it gives regarding trade schools and licensure programs.

(11-28-2022 12:47 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(11-24-2022 03:08 PM)former guest Wrote:  Thanks for the link. Some things to think about in there that will impact our university is several ways, and how much leadership may have to react to in the future.

This is something that has been noted over and over with the UofM in past years - they know it's coming, and are working on plans to mitigate the losses....hopefully it won't be too little, too late.

They've been working on it since the early 2000s, particularly with community colleges for people that might need to go there first. College isn't for everyone, but it is important for many. From what I recall, the work with the local community colleges really helped with people that weren't ready yet, then were able to transfer to the UofM more easily than before.

(11-25-2022 06:12 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  January 2017 I was in DC and met with a couple of congressional subcommittees and attended a meeting at the White House. That was followed by a trip to the Swiss Embassy to meet with education, business and government reps involved the highly successful apprenticeship model employed in Switzerland. I met some people from Denver who had adapted the Swiss model into a collaborative called CareerWise.
I spent several unsuccessful years trying to build a similar model in our school system and state but never could get the buy-in.
It is a high school, post-secondary and business collaborative that provides multiple entry and exit education and career engagements. That includes two-way movement between skilled labor and white collar career paths.

Now that I’ve retired I’m going to retry through different channels.

Thanks for the PMs and e-mails from a bunch of you guys. I’ll do an update later after the first of the new year. Got a meeting on campus later this week and trying to on the agenda of some chamber leaders that deal with development. In January hopefully.

(11-26-2022 02:03 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:30 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 09:38 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 05:09 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-24-2022 10:01 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Ha. Not if all the men go to trade school, while women get a sociology degree...

Neither are true now nor will it be in the future.

Yes, they are true right now, and the gap is about to get wider.

So all men will go to trade school and all women will get Sociology Degrees? You really don’t want to argue that.

Ahhhh.... so you and former guest are into intentionally misconstruing words. Got it. Yeah, of course I mean EVERY SINGLE MALE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH...
Some of you peo.... no, ALL of you people are insufferable.

No, but when you argue a point by throwing out an endorsement of the original exaggeration you’re going to get called out. Respectfully, but it always is best to keep it between the ditches.

(11-28-2022 04:29 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 02:03 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:30 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 09:38 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 05:09 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  Neither are true now nor will it be in the future.

Yes, they are true right now, and the gap is about to get wider.

So all men will go to trade school and all women will get Sociology Degrees? You really don’t want to argue that.

Ahhhh.... so you and former guest are into intentionally misconstruing words. Got it. Yeah, of course I mean EVERY SINGLE MALE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH...
Some of you peo.... no, ALL of you people are insufferable.

No, but when you argue a point by throwing out an endorsement of the original exaggeration you’re going to get called out. Respectfully, but it always is best to keep it between the ditches.

You know for a fact the spirit of my original post is correct. Women with sociology and women's studies degrees by and large work at Starbucks. Men who go to electrician apprentice schools end up within a few years making north of $60k with no student loan debt.

(11-28-2022 01:25 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  I don't know if anything has changed, but about 15 years ago, I had a GED friend who enrolled in the U of M, mostly at night because she worked during the day. She failed to attend orientation as a non-traditional student; no one with the U followed up on that. Her advisor seemed completely lacking. She had no clue how to use the library, and no clue how to access her course instructions online.
She was allowed to basically choose her own courses, without rhyme or reason, though she needed to be in remedial English, could not spell. She chose a third-year Spanish course, and struggled through Spanish for more than 2 years, until her grades got too poor to continue. The most surprising thing, though, is she sat in a class for a whole semester, arrived to take the final exam, and was told she wasn't registered in that course. I hope the U has improved in so many different ways in its efforts at retention. It took my friend a lot of nerve and effort to enroll in her 40's, and she was motivated. She fell through the cracks.
The U failed her.

That’s a bunch of failure for one person. I know Rudd helped close some gaps. The university provides many opportunities to attend orientations. Adult students get a lot of communications attempting to engage them in a support system that if they participate will significantly improve the chance for success.
I know it is frustrating for students when they don’t get help but it’s also frustrating for university staff when students ignore attempts to get them in the support platforms but only complain when they are in too deep to recover.

(11-28-2022 04:39 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 04:29 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-26-2022 02:03 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 11:30 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(11-25-2022 09:38 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Yes, they are true right now, and the gap is about to get wider.

So all men will go to trade school and all women will get Sociology Degrees? You really don’t want to argue that.

Ahhhh.... so you and former guest are into intentionally misconstruing words. Got it. Yeah, of course I mean EVERY SINGLE MALE ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH...
Some of you peo.... no, ALL of you people are insufferable.

No, but when you argue a point by throwing out an endorsement of the original exaggeration you’re going to get called out. Respectfully, but it always is best to keep it between the ditches.

You know for a fact the spirit of my original post is correct. Women with sociology and women's studies degrees by and large work at Starbucks. Men who go to electrician apprentice schools end up within a few years making north of $60k with no student loan debt.

You do realize that the "spirit" of your post looks no different than any other words that you post, right? There is no "spirit interpreter" on anything anyone is reading your post on. It might have sounded really smart and pithy in your head when you typed it, but it ended up just words on a screen from your drunk uncle in the corner.

Unfortunately, there is also no sarcasm font, so that really sucks when someone's attempt to make a point through sarcasm falls flat and just makes them look like...well... most of the people on this board....

College is not for everyone
Ike was fortunate, Ike worked at a trade to pay his tuition, got a Degree and worked in the trade
Eventually starting his own business.
Ike believes it’s the Singer not the Song

(11-28-2022 03:13 PM)true_blue_thru_and_thru Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 02:49 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-28-2022 01:25 PM)21-17 Best Time I Ever Ha Wrote:  I don't know if anything has changed, but about 15 years ago, I had a GED friend who enrolled in the U of M, mostly at night because she worked during the day. She failed to attend orientation as a non-traditional student; no one with the U followed up on that. Her advisor seemed completely lacking. She had no clue how to use the library, and no clue how to access her course instructions online.
She was allowed to basically choose her own courses, without rhyme or reason, though she needed to be in remedial English, could not spell. She chose a third-year Spanish course, and struggled through Spanish for more than 2 years, until her grades got too poor to continue. The most surprising thing, though, is she sat in a class for a whole semester, arrived to take the final exam, and was told she wasn't registered in that course. I hope the U has improved in so many different ways in its efforts at retention. It took my friend a lot of nerve and effort to enroll in her 40's, and she was motivated. She fell through the cracks.
The U failed her.

College is not for everyone. We've tried to make it that way, but you cannot put a square peg into a round hole.

Absolutely. Think Haslem deserves big props for pushing through the TN Promise Act. Either getting an associates degree or knocking out all your gen-ed stuff before enrolling in a four year institution should help a ton of people out. Not to mention the help it gives regarding trade schools and licensure programs.

Maybe college is not the best life or career path for everyone, but IF the University had been a bit more proactive and given my friend more support, she could have made her way to some kind of degree. She was motivated. And the U. prided itself on having a "non-traditional" program for older people in the community.