(11-14-2022 01:29 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote: Congressional term limits & a max age for POTUS would solve many of the problems in politics.
Those won't fix a thing. People will still vote based on identity politics.
Conflating two issues - you won't have bitter lifers looking to settle scores and revenge tactics on a daily basis.
If terms limits existed, you wouldn't have lifers true, but you would still end up.with politicians spending their two terms or however long they're allowed to stay in looking to get even with their enemies.
The "establishment" in both parties would have to have fresh blood every decade or so. McConnell controls the entire GOP agenda. Schumer/Pelosi controls the entire Democrat agenda. Giving that an expiration date lessens their grip and will give more power back to their bases.
True, but someone far worse would come into power and do even more damage than those three are doing right now.
(11-14-2022 01:30 PM)andybible1995 Wrote: Those won't fix a thing. People will still vote based on identity politics.
Conflating two issues - you won't have bitter lifers looking to settle scores and revenge tactics on a daily basis.
If terms limits existed, you wouldn't have lifers true, but you would still end up.with politicians spending their two terms or however long they're allowed to stay in looking to get even with their enemies.
The "establishment" in both parties would have to have fresh blood every decade or so. McConnell controls the entire GOP agenda. Schumer/Pelosi controls the entire Democrat agenda. Giving that an expiration date lessens their grip and will give more power back to their bases.
True, but someone far worse would come into power and do even more damage than those three are doing right now.
I really don't know how it's worse. The current system is designed to produce long term power for only certain people in the federal government. Forcing new people into the system could lessen that over a period of time. At least have an age limit - we don't need geriatrics leading the country in every high office.
(11-14-2022 01:34 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: Way to miss the point.
What changes in election laws did Florida make before this election? This has nothing to do with being a tourist destination or income taxes. Focus, man.
Elections always have taxes involved. Don't fool yourself. Policies that affect taxes, the economy, social issues, etc., are going to be completely different between different parts of the country. Florida is not a blueprint for the whole country in taxes and such. It can be for education, crime prevention, etc., but a state that's number one industry is tourism it is going to be completely different than a state that has more military, defense research, and manufacturing as the largest industries.
(11-14-2022 09:02 AM)andybible1995 Wrote: America is too far gone to save at this point. It'll continue to die a slow painful death. Democrats are hell bent on turning this nation into a third world communist police state, and the Republicans will sit by and twiddle their thumbs doing nothing out of fear of being hit again like a beaten housewife.
There is hope and it's probably going to be Latinos and other immigrants from these schithole countries that have been destroyed by Socialism and Communism. Im a believer that the GOP is screwing up by not streamlining immigration and bringing in as many of these immigrants as it can. They are built in voters for conservatism.
(11-14-2022 09:02 AM)andybible1995 Wrote: America is too far gone to save at this point. It'll continue to die a slow painful death. Democrats are hell bent on turning this nation into a third world communist police state, and the Republicans will sit by and twiddle their thumbs doing nothing out of fear of being hit again like a beaten housewife.
It's easy to blame Republicans but the reality is that schools, the media, entertainment (singers, actors etc.) are all so far in bed with the far left that it's easy for them to indoctrinate kids at such a young age to be psycho leftists.
I don't know what Republicans can do to stop that. Thank god some republicans are banning CRT etc. but even then it will be hammered into them elsewhere. Parents need to have deep talks with their kids that white people are the ones being discriminated against these days and that it will only get worse with Democrats in power.
(11-14-2022 10:28 AM)Kruciff Wrote: America of the 1950's will never return. If that's what you are wanting, and voting for, you would be correct.
The America of the future is looking brighter than it has in a long time.
How is it looking brighter?
Trump appears to be fading into the rear view mirror, for starters.
There are all sorts of politicians that are unpopular. I think Pelosi, Schumer and Biden are cancers to this country yet they are still in their elected positions. So how is that making the future brighter?
1. Bit disingenuous to call Trump simply "unpopular"
2. Democrats elected to pass democratic legislation is popular among the left. Why should I play your both sides game when we have a very different view of current events? Half this board doesn't even believe in a climate change.
(11-14-2022 01:01 PM)boss man Wrote: A large number of citizens on both sides of the political discourse are going to have some serious issues to deal with in the not too distant future.
All of this is necessary for the USA to eventually collapse. It has been a good run for 246 years; but it will end. It has to get much worse for the "plug to be pulled". I believe it will take about 30 years for the unofficial split to create such serious stability issues that the vast majority of both sides will realize a need to TRUE CHANGE.
Finally leaders from the various factions/sides will get together to dissolve the USA and form what I call the North American Union (NAU). Obviously the leaders in the 2050's and on into the early 60's could call the concept something else.
Basically I believe the former USA - perhaps with some of Canada - will merge into about 7 or 8 different "regions" similar to the current European Union.
The bottom line is the USA will NOT see a tricentennial in 2076. I can't see things continuing like this for 50+ more years.
You may well be right boss man, and we may all be better off when it does. Red & Blue America are viscerally different and no longer want the same things. The Confederacy was 100% wrong about the right they fought a war to preserve (the right to practice race-based slavery), but I believe they were 100% right that the union is a voluntary association that states can leave peacefully if they choose. Canadian law already allows for secession under the right circumstances, and the only thing forbidding it in US law is an 1869 Supreme Court case (Texas v. White) that invalidated US Treasury bond sales during the Civil War by stating that secession was unlawful and Texas had never really left the union.
It's simpler than all of that. The truth is the MAJORITY of the country is just stupid. They know nothing and Democrats know it because they caused. All they have to do is say, Don't vote for Republicans because they will ________, and the masses are too stupid to know that Biden would have to sign off on it for it to be so.
(11-14-2022 10:28 AM)Kruciff Wrote: America of the 1950's will never return. If that's what you are wanting, and voting for, you would be correct.
The America of the future is looking brighter than it has in a long time.
How is it looking brighter?
Trump appears to be fading into the rear view mirror, for starters.
There are all sorts of politicians that are unpopular. I think Pelosi, Schumer and Biden are cancers to this country yet they are still in their elected positions. So how is that making the future brighter?
1. Bit disingenuous to call Trump simply "unpopular"
2. Democrats elected to pass democratic legislation is popular among the left. Why should I play your both sides game when we have a very different view of current events? Half this board doesn't even believe in a climate change.
Everyone believes the climate changes. We just know spending money to keep it from happening is ludicrous. America is exponentially a cleaner place than it was 40 years ago.
(11-14-2022 10:28 AM)Kruciff Wrote: America of the 1950's will never return. If that's what you are wanting, and voting for, you would be correct.
The America of the future is looking brighter than it has in a long time.
How is it looking brighter?
Trump appears to be fading into the rear view mirror, for starters.
There are all sorts of politicians that are unpopular. I think Pelosi, Schumer and Biden are cancers to this country yet they are still in their elected positions. So how is that making the future brighter?
1. Bit disingenuous to call Trump simply "unpopular"
2. Democrats elected to pass democratic legislation is popular among the left. Why should I play your both sides game when we have a very different view of current events? Half this board doesn't even believe in a climate change.
What happened to the new Ice Age that we were supposed to get in the 70's?
What happened to the Acid Rain that was coming in the 80's?
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me 482 times, and you're a Democrat.
(11-14-2022 10:28 AM)Kruciff Wrote: America of the 1950's will never return. If that's what you are wanting, and voting for, you would be correct.
The America of the future is looking brighter than it has in a long time.
How is it looking brighter?
Trump appears to be fading into the rear view mirror, for starters.
There are all sorts of politicians that are unpopular. I think Pelosi, Schumer and Biden are cancers to this country yet they are still in their elected positions. So how is that making the future brighter?
1. Bit disingenuous to call Trump simply "unpopular"
2. Democrats elected to pass democratic legislation is popular among the left. Why should I play your both sides game when we have a very different view of current events? Half this board doesn't even believe in a climate change.
Explain point 1 to me.
Our country has had people with different POVs for a long, long time now. The biggest issue is that the political affiliations of those who dominate the news media and social media have crippled the free exchange of ideas.
Regarding climate change, you ignore the huge elephants in the room (China and India) who are NOT curbing their emmissions like us and western Europe. I thought you were a STEM major so I'm sure you understand that you have to change the variables that make the biggest impact if you want to see significant changes over time.
(11-14-2022 02:22 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote: I don't know what Republicans can do to stop that. Thank god some republicans are banning CRT etc. but even then it will be hammered into them elsewhere. Parents need to have deep talks with their kids that white people are the ones being discriminated against these days and that it will only get worse with Democrats in power.
That's as absurd as the Christian persecution in the US complex that it often goes hand in hand with. Losing ones historical ability to dominate other groups in favor of a more level playing field for all is not discrimination.
(11-14-2022 02:22 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote: I don't know what Republicans can do to stop that. Thank god some republicans are banning CRT etc. but even then it will be hammered into them elsewhere. Parents need to have deep talks with their kids that white people are the ones being discriminated against these days and that it will only get worse with Democrats in power.
That's as absurd as the Christian persecution in the US complex that it often goes hand in hand with. Losing ones historical ability to dominate other groups in favor of a more level playing field for all is not discrimination.
(11-14-2022 02:30 PM)Eagleaidaholic Wrote: It's simpler than all of that. The truth is the MAJORITY of the country is just stupid. They know nothing and Democrats know it because they caused. All they have to do is say, Don't vote for Republicans because they will ________, and the masses are too stupid to know that Biden would have to sign off on it for it to be so.
It’s really mass psychology manipulation on people meant to alter them without notice
(11-14-2022 02:22 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote: I don't know what Republicans can do to stop that. Thank god some republicans are banning CRT etc. but even then it will be hammered into them elsewhere. Parents need to have deep talks with their kids that white people are the ones being discriminated against these days and that it will only get worse with Democrats in power.
That's as absurd as the Christian persecution in the US complex that it often goes hand in hand with. Losing ones historical ability to dominate other groups in favor of a more level playing field for all is not discrimination.
(11-14-2022 02:22 PM)SUisBigEast4ever Wrote: I don't know what Republicans can do to stop that. Thank god some republicans are banning CRT etc. but even then it will be hammered into them elsewhere. Parents need to have deep talks with their kids that white people are the ones being discriminated against these days and that it will only get worse with Democrats in power.
That's as absurd as the Christian persecution in the US complex that it often goes hand in hand with. Losing ones historical ability to dominate other groups in favor of a more level playing field for all is not discrimination.
Yeah, he s/h called it affirmative action in his post. Then it's fine.
But you're right. It's not against whites. It's specifically against Republicans/conservatives. No doubt about that!
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(11-14-2022 09:02 AM)andybible1995 Wrote: America is too far gone to save at this point. It'll continue to die a slow painful death. Democrats are hell bent on turning this nation into a third world communist police state, and the Republicans will sit by and twiddle their thumbs doing nothing out of fear of being hit again like a beaten housewife.
There is hope and it's probably going to be Latinos and other immigrants from these schithole countries that have been destroyed by Socialism and Communism. Im a believer that the GOP is screwing up by not streamlining immigration and bringing in as many of these immigrants as it can. They are built in voters for conservatism.
Latinos are for the most part anti-abortion and I can't envision any of the Venezuelans voting for a socialist agenda. It would be ironic if these people saved us from the craziness. As for the Black vote, there are probably as many conservatives among them as there are liberals, but they've been indoctrinated to believe the Reps are evil racists. I'm not as pessimistic as a lot of people are on this last election. Many of these races were decided by razor thin margins and even though you'd think the state of the economy would dictate a red wave, the abortion issue is one of the biggest hot button issues of my lifetime and was a deciding factor for a ton of these people. Bad timing, with it still being fresh on the mind and every other word in the Dems' campaign statements. The Republicans just need to strategize and give these people a reason to cross the line. And for Pete's sakes, find better candidates. I can't believe that in a country of 350 million people that we can't find better.
