(09-30-2022 05:11 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(09-29-2022 06:26 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  If we're looking for the 16th member ... and safely assuming ND has abandoned the 15th spot ...

The two schools I would invite would be:

WVU and Cincy UCF
....

Same. The next two adds, I'd say, are only made if the ACC loses ground in Florida. Those are:

UCF and USF

Gitanole ...

GOT IT GOING ON

(09-30-2022 04:59 AM)schmolik Wrote:  So a Florida State fan is campaigning for UConn and a Syracuse fan is saying the ACC needs "some pedigree" in football?

The only game changer the ACC can add in football is Cincinnati and are they just good vs. AAC competition? The last thing the ACC needs is another Duke's Mayo Bowl level team. If I want to watch football, I'll watch the SEC. What's the difference between watching Clemson vs. West Virginia and Alabama vs. Arkansas who play this weekend? I come to the ACC to watch men's basketball and if you add UConn to Duke, North Carolina, and, when they come back, Syracuse, Virginia, and Louisville, they will be better. They've won three national championships this millennium and one more in 1999, the only available football team that can claim a national championship since 2000 is UCF:) And we're not even talking about their women's team yet.

Well you got one thing right-- UConn is not a Duke's Mayo Bowl level team. They are worse. They've won 21 games this past decade and most of those are from FCS games against directional Connecticut schools and UMass. Last year they edged out a victory over Yale (Yale doesn't offer athletic schollys) 21-15. There FB program just does not have the horses in-state to consistently compete at the highest level. BC, being a Jesuit school, can somewhat recruit nationally.

The support is not there either. They had 25,000 announced for the Syracuse game a week or two ago but the butts in the seat were fewer than that. A good number of the attendees were Syracuse supporters.

The top two ACC targets are UConn and South FLA

Source: history lol

(09-30-2022 08:58 AM)esayem Wrote:  The top two ACC targets are UConn and South FLA

Source: history lol

The top two ACC targets are Notre Dame and Penn State

Source: fantasy lol

(09-30-2022 10:25 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 08:58 AM)esayem Wrote:  The top two ACC targets are UConn and South FLA

Source: history lol

The top two ACC targets are Notre Dame and Penn State

Source: fantasy lol

Fair enough!

I am not opposed to having UConn as a non football addition, which would be revenue neutral I think. But then UConn AD/President would constantly request for a full inclusion. That would be the opposite of ND situation.

(09-30-2022 04:59 AM)schmolik Wrote:  So a Florida State fan is campaigning for UConn and a Syracuse fan is saying the ACC needs "some pedigree" in football?

The only game changer the ACC can add in football is Cincinnati and are they just good vs. AAC competition? The last thing the ACC needs is another Duke's Mayo Bowl level team. If I want to watch football, I'll watch the SEC. What's the difference between watching Clemson vs. West Virginia and Alabama vs. Arkansas who play this weekend? I come to the ACC to watch men's basketball and if you add UConn to Duke, North Carolina, and, when they come back, Syracuse, Virginia, and Louisville, they will be better. They've won three national championships this millennium and one more in 1999, the only available football team that can claim a national championship since 2000 is UCF:) And we're not even talking about their women's team yet.

You do realize we were in the CFP last season, don't you?

And you do realize that we just played Arkansas to a one score game on the road... and if we had a better QB would have won, right?

Perhaps educate yourself better before posting.

(09-30-2022 08:49 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 04:59 AM)schmolik Wrote:  So a Florida State fan is campaigning for UConn and a Syracuse fan is saying the ACC needs "some pedigree" in football?

The only game changer the ACC can add in football is Cincinnati and are they just good vs. AAC competition? The last thing the ACC needs is another Duke's Mayo Bowl level team. If I want to watch football, I'll watch the SEC. What's the difference between watching Clemson vs. West Virginia and Alabama vs. Arkansas who play this weekend? I come to the ACC to watch men's basketball and if you add UConn to Duke, North Carolina, and, when they come back, Syracuse, Virginia, and Louisville, they will be better. They've won three national championships this millennium and one more in 1999, the only available football team that can claim a national championship since 2000 is UCF:) And we're not even talking about their women's team yet.

Well you got one thing right-- UConn is not a Duke's Mayo Bowl level team. They are worse. They've won 21 games this past decade and most of those are from FCS games against directional Connecticut schools and UMass. Last year they edged out a victory over Yale (Yale doesn't offer athletic schollys) 21-15. There FB program just does not have the horses in-state to consistently compete at the highest level. BC, being a Jesuit school, can somewhat recruit nationally.

The support is not there either. They had 25,000 announced for the Syracuse game a week or two ago but the butts in the seat were fewer than that. A good number of the attendees were Syracuse supporters.

I was there. We were their Super Bowl. Funny thing: when they were somewhat good their fans were some of the worst acting Aholes towards Cuse fans. I was expecting the same but they suck so bad right now...it has taking all the fight out of their fanbase in Football.

We had 38K in the Dome (Elton John) at the same time as this game in East Hartford...yet we still had at least 5000 fans there. There was a legit 22K there at the fullest...mid 2nd Q. It emptied out in the 3rd Q. At the end Cuse fans outnumbered UConn fans.

(09-30-2022 11:30 AM)random asian guy Wrote:  I am not opposed to having UConn as a non football addition, which would be revenue neutral I think. But then UConn AD/President would constantly request for a full inclusion. That would be the opposite of ND situation.

Yes a BB and olympic sports addition would be good. We could give them a 5 game ND deal with a lower payout. I would support that.

(09-30-2022 12:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 04:59 AM)schmolik Wrote:  So a Florida State fan is campaigning for UConn and a Syracuse fan is saying the ACC needs "some pedigree" in football?

The only game changer the ACC can add in football is Cincinnati and are they just good vs. AAC competition? The last thing the ACC needs is another Duke's Mayo Bowl level team. If I want to watch football, I'll watch the SEC. What's the difference between watching Clemson vs. West Virginia and Alabama vs. Arkansas who play this weekend? I come to the ACC to watch men's basketball and if you add UConn to Duke, North Carolina, and, when they come back, Syracuse, Virginia, and Louisville, they will be better. They've won three national championships this millennium and one more in 1999, the only available football team that can claim a national championship since 2000 is UCF:) And we're not even talking about their women's team yet.

You do realize we were in the CFP last season, don't you?

And you do realize that we just played Arkansas to a one score game on the road... and if we had a better QB would have won, right?

Perhaps educate yourself better before posting.

Yeah, we get it. Cincinnati hit their absolute peak and you're super proud blah blah blah

Shouldn't you be getting acquainted with your new Big XII pals? Maybe shopping for some cowboy boots and western wear? Scully makes some nice shirts; maybe get one with a rhinestone bearcat!

(09-30-2022 12:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 04:59 AM)schmolik Wrote:  So a Florida State fan is campaigning for UConn and a Syracuse fan is saying the ACC needs "some pedigree" in football?

The only game changer the ACC can add in football is Cincinnati and are they just good vs. AAC competition? The last thing the ACC needs is another Duke's Mayo Bowl level team. If I want to watch football, I'll watch the SEC. What's the difference between watching Clemson vs. West Virginia and Alabama vs. Arkansas who play this weekend? I come to the ACC to watch men's basketball and if you add UConn to Duke, North Carolina, and, when they come back, Syracuse, Virginia, and Louisville, they will be better. They've won three national championships this millennium and one more in 1999, the only available football team that can claim a national championship since 2000 is UCF:) And we're not even talking about their women's team yet.

You do realize we were in the CFP last season, don't you?

And you do realize that we just played Arkansas to a one score game on the road... and if we had a better QB would have won, right?

Perhaps educate yourself better before posting.

UConn was in a BCS bowl once upon a time in a land far far away.

Cincinnati >>> UConn

(09-30-2022 12:33 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 12:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 04:59 AM)schmolik Wrote:  So a Florida State fan is campaigning for UConn and a Syracuse fan is saying the ACC needs "some pedigree" in football?

The only game changer the ACC can add in football is Cincinnati and are they just good vs. AAC competition? The last thing the ACC needs is another Duke's Mayo Bowl level team. If I want to watch football, I'll watch the SEC. What's the difference between watching Clemson vs. West Virginia and Alabama vs. Arkansas who play this weekend? I come to the ACC to watch men's basketball and if you add UConn to Duke, North Carolina, and, when they come back, Syracuse, Virginia, and Louisville, they will be better. They've won three national championships this millennium and one more in 1999, the only available football team that can claim a national championship since 2000 is UCF:) And we're not even talking about their women's team yet.

You do realize we were in the CFP last season, don't you?

And you do realize that we just played Arkansas to a one score game on the road... and if we had a better QB would have won, right?

Perhaps educate yourself better before posting.

Yeah, we get it. Cincinnati hit their absolute peak and you're super proud blah blah blah

Shouldn't you be getting acquainted with your new Big XII pals? Maybe shopping for some cowboy boots and western wear? Scully makes some nice shirts; maybe get one with a rhinestone bearcat!

(09-29-2022 03:39 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Disclaimer: I’m not saying the ACC should expand or even have UConn as their first choice. This is more or less for fun and to stimulate conversation.

It’s hard to see past UConn’s bad football program now, but so was SU’s program when they got the ACC invite, so it is possible to right the ship. With an ACC invite they will have more money for their athletic department, more tv exposure, better recruiting access. I think their floor is at least comparable to where BC seems to be with a 6-7 win seasons being the norm.

Another thing that is a plus, is that their football team is an Independent. They are ready to join right away.

With divisions being abolished, 15 members can play 2 permant rivalry games and rotate the members home/away twice in 4 years. UConn, SU, and BC can be each other’s permanent rival. Great news for the other members who may view getting UConn, BC and to a lesser extent SU as drawing the old maid card.

Of course they are in the BE in their other sports. Their basketball teams are the real prize. Their WBB program is the gold standard, MBB is traditionally very good with multiple NCAAT championships. This will bring additional high profile games to the ACC.

This will also make for an even 16 team ACC basketball tournament with a possibility of playing in Madison Square Garden even more likely.

UConn also has or had a solid baseball program.

Academic snobs will like their US news top 25 public school ranking
https://today.uconn.edu/2019/09/uconn-ra...y-strong/#

And $460m endowment.

You might have considered first reviewing the extent of Syracuse's football history prior to comparing it to UConn: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syracuse_Orange_football

(09-30-2022 12:42 PM)GoWulfPak Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 12:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 04:59 AM)schmolik Wrote:  So a Florida State fan is campaigning for UConn and a Syracuse fan is saying the ACC needs "some pedigree" in football?

The only game changer the ACC can add in football is Cincinnati and are they just good vs. AAC competition? The last thing the ACC needs is another Duke's Mayo Bowl level team. If I want to watch football, I'll watch the SEC. What's the difference between watching Clemson vs. West Virginia and Alabama vs. Arkansas who play this weekend? I come to the ACC to watch men's basketball and if you add UConn to Duke, North Carolina, and, when they come back, Syracuse, Virginia, and Louisville, they will be better. They've won three national championships this millennium and one more in 1999, the only available football team that can claim a national championship since 2000 is UCF:) And we're not even talking about their women's team yet.

You do realize we were in the CFP last season, don't you?

And you do realize that we just played Arkansas to a one score game on the road... and if we had a better QB would have won, right?

Perhaps educate yourself better before posting.

UConn was in a BCS bowl once upon a time in a land far far away.

Yes, they were. A game they lost 48-20. In a season in which were unranked and didn't play a single ranked team until that bowl game, finishing the regular season with an 8-4 record. Not exactly a great accomplishment, but the program's high water mark nonetheless.

(09-30-2022 12:33 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 12:03 PM)Bear Catlett Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 04:59 AM)schmolik Wrote:  So a Florida State fan is campaigning for UConn and a Syracuse fan is saying the ACC needs "some pedigree" in football?

The only game changer the ACC can add in football is Cincinnati and are they just good vs. AAC competition? The last thing the ACC needs is another Duke's Mayo Bowl level team. If I want to watch football, I'll watch the SEC. What's the difference between watching Clemson vs. West Virginia and Alabama vs. Arkansas who play this weekend? I come to the ACC to watch men's basketball and if you add UConn to Duke, North Carolina, and, when they come back, Syracuse, Virginia, and Louisville, they will be better. They've won three national championships this millennium and one more in 1999, the only available football team that can claim a national championship since 2000 is UCF:) And we're not even talking about their women's team yet.

You do realize we were in the CFP last season, don't you?

And you do realize that we just played Arkansas to a one score game on the road... and if we had a better QB would have won, right?

Perhaps educate yourself better before posting.

Yeah, we get it. Cincinnati hit their absolute peak and you're super proud blah blah blah

Shouldn't you be getting acquainted with your new Big XII pals? Maybe shopping for some cowboy boots and western wear? Scully makes some nice shirts; maybe get one with a rhinestone bearcat!

It just kills you that we made the CFP, doesn't it?

(09-29-2022 03:39 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  ....
UConn also has or had a solid baseball program.

Academic snobs will like their US news top 25 public school ranking
https://today.uconn.edu/2019/09/uconn-ra...y-strong/#

And $460m endowment.

I'm an academic snob and I don't want to invite Connecticut, Oxford, or MIT.

Seriously, ten years ago I was cool with the Huskies. I liked their academics, their alumni in NYC, the way they could make BC interesting to watch once a year. I still like the thought of their women's basketball team regularly taking the court against ACC counterparts.

It's a pity, but I feel Connecticut's already struggling football program has atrophied now to the point that it is no longer in contention. The last thing the ACC needs is another 'Yeah, the football is unwatchable but you should see their hopscotch' program.

In 2015 I wrote a blog article comparing Syracuse and UConn...

https://accfootballrx.blogspot.com/2015/...uconn.html

Prior to writing it, I didn't realize just how poor UConn's football history really was... for example, at that time the Huskies entire bowl history could be counted on ONE hand.

UConn basketball was better than Syracuse in its hey-day (although all-time I might go with the Orange), but it's not like they're as good as Duke or UNC - and I think it's at least arguable whether UConn hoops is better than Louisville or not (I'd say not). All of which explains why the ACC went with Louisville instead of UConn when it had the choice.

(09-30-2022 07:12 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 04:44 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-29-2022 03:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Teams I'd rather see the ACC add before UConn:

Cincinnati
UCF
Houston
SMU
USF
Memphis
Temple
Tulane
Navy( football scheduling agreement only-maybe 5 games)

continue current Notre Dame agreement.
add West Virginia and Baylor to the 4 above and take all 6.

“Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows.”

I like it!

Except there are 7 schools not 6.

Cincinnati
UCF
SMU
Tulane
Navy
West Virginia
Baylor

(09-30-2022 03:21 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 07:12 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-30-2022 04:44 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(09-29-2022 03:53 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Teams I'd rather see the ACC add before UConn:

Cincinnati
UCF
Houston
SMU
USF
Memphis
Temple
Tulane
Navy( football scheduling agreement only-maybe 5 games)

continue current Notre Dame agreement.
add West Virginia and Baylor to the 4 above and take all 6.

“Misery acquaints a man with strange bedfellows.”

I like it!

Except there are 7 schools not 6.

Cincinnati
UCF
SMU
Tulane
Navy
West Virginia
Baylor

Navy is not a full member (no Olympic sports and a limited football schedule, maybe 5 games).