(08-13-2022 04:12 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-13-2022 02:25 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-13-2022 11:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-12-2022 09:39 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 08:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  What JR describes here could certainly work, but it involves paying ALL 15 ACC SCHOOLS MORE MONEY (or 14 and let Notre Dame go get their pot of gold!). What will NEVER work is the idea of a few schools leaving the others behind early. Think of the GoR as a binding contract between business partners that can only be dissolved if everyone walks away happy.

It sounds very logical and JR is brilliant, but there seems to be a LOT of cat-herding involved in working out the details of such a major move.

From a Clemson perspective, I'd prefer the SEC with UNC, UVa, VT, NCSU, GT, and FSU coming with us.

If from a Clemson perspective, you had Clemson, UNC, UVa, VT NCSU, GT and FSU (which is half of the current ACC) which schools in the SEC (other than South Carolina) would you be most looking forward co have in your "new" conference?

I'd say USC Jr, UGA and Auburn. I couldn't care less about playing Florida since we already play FSU and Miami. Tennessee is a big who cares. Same with Kentucky, although the bourbon trail is appealing. Vanderbilt>Duke or WF, so there's that. Mizzou...yawn.

Noticeable by their absence from your list are Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M and Oklahoma. How do you feel about them?

Those would most definitely be fun games. I would want to preserve some of the old school ACC hatred (UNC, looking in your direction).

Can y'all just please eat some of the Big 12 so we can get out of the AAC, or better yet just eat us ):

(08-13-2022 06:46 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-13-2022 04:12 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(08-13-2022 02:25 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(08-13-2022 11:30 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(08-12-2022 09:39 AM)ren.hoek Wrote:  It sounds very logical and JR is brilliant, but there seems to be a LOT of cat-herding involved in working out the details of such a major move.

From a Clemson perspective, I'd prefer the SEC with UNC, UVa, VT, NCSU, GT, and FSU coming with us.

If from a Clemson perspective, you had Clemson, UNC, UVa, VT NCSU, GT and FSU (which is half of the current ACC) which schools in the SEC (other than South Carolina) would you be most looking forward co have in your "new" conference?

I'd say USC Jr, UGA and Auburn. I couldn't care less about playing Florida since we already play FSU and Miami. Tennessee is a big who cares. Same with Kentucky, although the bourbon trail is appealing. Vanderbilt>Duke or WF, so there's that. Mizzou...yawn.

Noticeable by their absence from your list are Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M and Oklahoma. How do you feel about them?

Those would most definitely be fun games. I would want to preserve some of the old school ACC hatred (UNC, looking in your direction).

Bring it on!
I always love playing Clemson.
The fans are passionate, knowledgeable, and nice.

(08-11-2022 08:55 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(08-11-2022 07:07 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Well 2 things:

1. Dissolution depends upon the bylaws set for it by the conference. If it says for instance 8 votes (a simple majority) then it's 8 votes. If it uses the 3/4 standard, then it is 12 votes.

2. I doubt ESPN would want it to come to a vote. I can envision all presidents and the commissioner with an ESPN rep who would say 5 schools have expressed a desire to join another conference within the ESPN family of rights and if you decide to let them we will backfill with schools of your choice, reevaluate your existing contract and are prepared to give you a raise, or place you all in a conference together where you will merit a raise and no one will suffer lack of access to the post season. If you vote no things will remain as they are.

3. This way the decision is a consensus decision by all parties and the schools involved may not even be disclosed. Almost all GOR cases are settled on actual monetary damages in other industries. If no remaining school suffers an economic loss, or loss of access granted normally then no damages have occurred. And if all agree to act for more money any movement approved by the rights holder may transpire and courts are not involved. Which renders what Frank covered moot. It's what freedom is found when gentlemen agree on mutual self-interest, and everyone gains something. And only ESPN can handle this.

This makes TOTAL sense.


I've never bought the "ACC must dissolve" scenario so often thrown around message boards. ESPN has invested quite a bit in the ACC Network, and while it's way behind the older SEC and Big Ten Conference Networks, it IS starting to generate revenue. Hell -- Comcast just got on board earlier in 2022. Why would the left over ACC schools OR ESPN want to just let that go?


But ESPN working with the conference to move some schools, bring in replacements, bump up annual revenue, AND guarantee access to the playoff ... that seems to be a very attractive way to manage all this.

I would love to see some managed movement between The ACC and The SEC brokered by ESPN. If ESPN used the remaining ACC members and orchestrated the addition of the most valuable pieces of The PAC and The Big 12, to create a BOTR conference, that could well be sold to the present ACC.

It would bring immediate stability, increased revenue and increased interest to The ACC at a time of great uncertainty for the conference.

ACC members can put on a happy face but fans aren’t stupid. When the SC and UCLA to The Big Ten news broke, our AD who has been on the job a matter of months, made some comments that a more experienced AD might not have said. My guess is Josh’s comments were most likely the prevailing feelings in the conference but he didn’t do a very good job of trying to hide them.

The more I think about this opportunity, it makes a lot of sense. No Big Ten interest for ESPN means ESPN is free to facilitate this—regardless of what’s said that’s what they’re doing—creation a third league. It also makes sense that the core of this BOTR conference would come from The ACC as The Big 12 nor The PAC have media agreements beyond 2025.

It’s going to be interesting watching this unfold