Texanmark you can pm me if you want answers as I can't discuss the topic anymore.

Hokiemark I wish Miami and VA tech would play every year. I don't get how that wasn't one of the top ones to protect for TV and national interest

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(06-29-2022 05:34 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 10:54 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:36 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 08:40 PM)Ragu Wrote:  Going to a barren wasteland recruiting area in Syracuse NY to play a boring program doesn't help FSU at all. And it makes zero sense for FSU. It will never be a rivalry.

It is good to see teams more. But you dont have to be an acc lemming. They missed their chance to maximize football matchups here

While I agree with you in theory, Ragu, I think you're being overly negative. Chill, dude! It's not like FSU is "going" to Syracuse starting in 2023 - they're just continuing to go.

But the good news, you WON'T be going to Boston or Louisville every year, and you WILL be going to Atlanta, Northern Virginia, and Pittsburgh WAY more often than you used to. That's 5 half-wins against 1 half-loss; that works out to 2 full wins!

Impossible to be overly negative on this. It's the dumbest matchup of all the matchups and of course it happened to FSU. Its predictable

Would much rather play Louisville every year. They are one of the 5 best football programs in the acc. Syracuse offers FSU nothing in football.

FSU didnt want them to start , were stuck with them and bc both in division and now get stuck with Syracuse in this arrangement. It's beyond stupid
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Have you ever been to a game in Syracuse?

What does this have to do with anything?

Look I get you'll defend your school. That's fine. The game makes zero sense for FSU. I said what I said. I can't say too much or your cuse mod will punish me like last time

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Well you called the Dome dumpy...yet you apparently have never set foot on the campus.

Amazing improvements have happened there and more are planned for the Dome. I suggest you visit. If you come reach out to me I can host you at our tailgate if I'm up there.

You can't always get everything but the schedule improvements overall are awesome for every team.

You don't even realize how much more varied your schedule has become. While you don't get GaTech every year but you now play them twice every four years vice twelve. You get UF, Clemson and Miami every year. That's your three guaranteed marquee games and then throw in Notre Dame occasionally.

(06-29-2022 07:52 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 05:34 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 10:54 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:36 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-28-2022 09:33 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
While I agree with you in theory, Ragu, I think you're being overly negative. Chill, dude! It's not like FSU is "going" to Syracuse starting in 2023 - they're just continuing to go.

But the good news, you WON'T be going to Boston or Louisville every year, and you WILL be going to Atlanta, Northern Virginia, and Pittsburgh WAY more often than you used to. That's 5 half-wins against 1 half-loss; that works out to 2 full wins!

Impossible to be overly negative on this. It's the dumbest matchup of all the matchups and of course it happened to FSU. Its predictable

Would much rather play Louisville every year. They are one of the 5 best football programs in the acc. Syracuse offers FSU nothing in football.

FSU didnt want them to start , were stuck with them and bc both in division and now get stuck with Syracuse in this arrangement. It's beyond stupid
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Have you ever been to a game in Syracuse?

What does this have to do with anything?

Look I get you'll defend your school. That's fine. The game makes zero sense for FSU. I said what I said. I can't say too much or your cuse mod will punish me like last time

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Well you called the Dome dumpy...yet you apparently have never set foot on the campus.

Amazing improvements have happened there and more are planned for the Dome. I suggest you visit. If you come reach out to me I can host you at our tailgate if I'm up there.

You can't always get everything but the schedule improvements overall are awesome for every team.

You don't even realize how much more varied your schedule has become. While you don't get GaTech every year but you now play them twice every four years vice twelve. You get UF, Clemson and Miami every year. That's your three guaranteed marquee games and then throw in Notre Dame occasionally.

I've already clearly laid out that I get how the model works and like the model. I don't like the Syracuse game for FSU and laid out why. And I think other rivalry games were messed up too

Again I won't go into more on Syracuse. You can pm me for anything more on that. I said that stuff already

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I wonder if fans complaining about their three primary partners have considered the possibility that some of the schools they may have preferred didn't want them as a primary partner and made that known to whoever was making the final decision?

The fact is, this is really a can't lose situation for the ACC in that now there are no schools you have to wait 12 years for them to visit you. You play every school at least every other year.

(06-29-2022 08:08 AM)ken d Wrote:  I wonder if fans complaining about their three primary partners have considered the possibility that some of the schools they may have preferred didn't want them as a primary partner and made that known to whoever was making the final decision?

The fact is, this is really a can't lose situation for the ACC in that now there are no schools you have to wait 12 years for them to visit you. You play every school at least every other year.

Could have happened. I honestly suspect Georgia tech didn't want FSU and they don't want Clemson , Georgia and then on top of that FSU every year

I do know Syracuse makes the least amount of sense for FSU

That 2 game series all time of Georgia tech vs Louisville must have been needed clearly though

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One of the switches I would have made was Pitt-Va Tech and Miami-Louisville. That allows the VA Tech Miami series to continue annually and gives Louisville thier closest geographic opponent in Pitt

(06-29-2022 07:44 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Hokiemark I wish Miami and VA tech would play every year. I don't get how that wasn't one of the top ones to protect for TV and national interest

Thanks. TBH, I wish VT could play FSU annually, but I guess every other year will have to do for now.

(06-29-2022 08:11 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 08:08 AM)ken d Wrote:  I wonder if fans complaining about their three primary partners have considered the possibility that some of the schools they may have preferred didn't want them as a primary partner and made that known to whoever was making the final decision?

The fact is, this is really a can't lose situation for the ACC in that now there are no schools you have to wait 12 years for them to visit you. You play every school at least every other year.

Could have happened. I honestly suspect Georgia tech didn't want FSU and they don't want Clemson , Georgia and then on top of that FSU every year

I do know Syracuse makes the least amount of sense for FSU

That 2 game series all time of Georgia tech vs Louisville must have been needed clearly though

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I'm fairly sure that GT is the one who killed FSU/GT as an annual game, not the ACC.

We fans just want the best games, but coaches, ADs, and Presidents want winning seasons. I think even FSU leadership may have shied away from TOO many "big" games for that very reason. Now, if the Noles get back to the Top 10 by 2026 and a few other teams improve, maybe they shuffle the annual match-ups for the next 4 years?

(06-29-2022 07:44 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Texanmark you can pm me if you want answers as I can't discuss the topic anymore.

Hokiemark I wish Miami and VA tech would play every year. I don't get how that wasn't one of the top ones to protect for TV and national interest

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bedrock premise: what’s good for carolina ...
ditto duke ...
go forth ...
set world on fire ...
epicenter ...
notice ...
neither sacrificed ...
so, if your favorite falls by the wayside ...
oh, well ...
suck it up ...
evidenced by our useless athletic director going along to get along ...
one big happy family ...
feel consoled ...

SMILE DIRECT CLUB

(06-29-2022 08:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 07:44 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Hokiemark I wish Miami and VA tech would play every year. I don't get how that wasn't one of the top ones to protect for TV and national interest

Thanks. TBH, I wish VT could play FSU annually, but I guess every other year will have to do for now.

Yes that is a positive to play more. I would have been thrilled with that as our 3rd

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(06-29-2022 08:36 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 08:11 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 08:08 AM)ken d Wrote:  I wonder if fans complaining about their three primary partners have considered the possibility that some of the schools they may have preferred didn't want them as a primary partner and made that known to whoever was making the final decision?

The fact is, this is really a can't lose situation for the ACC in that now there are no schools you have to wait 12 years for them to visit you. You play every school at least every other year.

Could have happened. I honestly suspect Georgia tech didn't want FSU and they don't want Clemson , Georgia and then on top of that FSU every year

I do know Syracuse makes the least amount of sense for FSU

That 2 game series all time of Georgia tech vs Louisville must have been needed clearly though

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I'm fairly sure that GT is the one who killed FSU/GT as an annual game, not the ACC.

We fans just want the best games, but coaches, ADs, and Presidents want winning seasons. I think even FSU leadership may have shied away from TOO many "big" games for that very reason. Now, if the Noles get back to the Top 10 by 2026 and a few other teams improve, maybe they shuffle the annual match-ups for the next 4 years?

FSU has Florida every year and have series coming up with Georgia , bama and lsu starts this year. I don't think they are scared of non Clemson and Miami acc teams to say the least

I do agree on GT but we won't know and they'll deny it

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(06-29-2022 08:41 AM)green Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 07:44 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Texanmark you can pm me if you want answers as I can't discuss the topic anymore.

Hokiemark I wish Miami and VA tech would play every year. I don't get how that wasn't one of the top ones to protect for TV and national interest

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bedrock premise: what’s good for carolina ...
ditto duke ...
go forth ...
set world on fire ...
epicenter ...
notice ...
neither sacrificed ...
so, if your favorite falls by the wayside ...
oh, well ...
suck it up ...
evidenced by our useless athletic director going along to get along ...
one big happy family ...
feel consoled ...

SMILE DIRECT CLUB

Pretty much how it is.

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So what were the ACC AD’s priorities in going divisionless and selecting permanent opponents?

Going divisionless was easy because it provides many benefits:
a) Improves the ACC CCG match-ups. Divisionless has a better chance of selecting better teams.
b) Improves the odds that ACC teams make the playoffs…see the 2020 Covid season example.
c) Improves the schedules for fans because they get to see more diverse opponents…see the ND scheduling model.

The rationale for selecting permanent is harder to decipher. Some thoughts:
1) They didn’t want permanent rivals to be too regional or pod-like. Miami vs BC, plus FSU vs Cuse, reinforce the whole Atlantic Coast / Eastern time zone breadth of the conference.
2) They wanted to better integrate the newer programs. Louisville appears the biggest winner with these permanent rivals: getting 3 southern teams in great recruiting areas with strong TV exposure opportunities. Having the northern schools regularly playing in Florida also helps.
3) All programs got their essential games. Only Clemson and UNC have three essential games and they got them. Many programs have two essentials (e.g., UVa got VT and UNC; FSU got Miami and Clemson; Syracuse got Pitt and BC; etc.). Wake and Georgia Tech seem to be the only programs that got multiple filler match-ups…including a permanent game against each other.
4) They’re only scheduling for four years because they know that fans may prefer traditional match-ups in the longer term. So long as all teams agree, changing UL-UVa Syr-FSU WF-GT to UL-Syr FSU-GT UVa-WF makes sense.

(06-29-2022 08:08 AM)ken d Wrote:  I wonder if fans complaining about their three primary partners have considered the possibility that some of the schools they may have preferred didn't want them as a primary partner and made that known to whoever was making the final decision?

The fact is, this is really a can't lose situation for the ACC in that now there are no schools you have to wait 12 years for them to visit you. You play every school at least every other year.

really ...
take us for granted ...
see what happens next ...
waiting on headquarters announcement ...
stay or go ...
hold my tongue til then ...

KATY BAR THE DOOR

(06-29-2022 09:08 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  So what were the ACC AD’s priorities in going divisionless and selecting permanent opponents?

Going divisionless was easy because it provides many benefits:
a) Improves the ACC CCG match-ups. Divisionless has a better chance of selecting better teams.
b) Improves the odds that ACC teams make the playoffs…see the 2020 Covid season example.
c) Improves the schedules for fans because they get to see more diverse opponents…see the ND scheduling model.

The rationale for selecting permanent is harder to decipher. Some thoughts:
1) They didn’t want permanent rivals to be too regional or pod-like. Miami vs BC, plus FSU vs Cuse, reinforce the whole Atlantic Coast / Eastern time zone breadth of the conference.
2) They wanted to better integrate the newer programs. Louisville appears the biggest winner with these permanent rivals: getting 3 southern teams in great recruiting areas with strong TV exposure opportunities. Having the northern schools regularly playing in Florida also helps.
3) All programs got their essential games. Only Clemson and UNC have three essential games and they got them. Many programs have two essentials (e.g., UVa got VT and UNC; FSU got Miami and Clemson; Syracuse got Pitt and BC; etc.). Wake and Georgia Tech seem to be the only programs that got multiple filler match-ups…including a permanent game against each other.
4) They’re only scheduling for four years because they know that fans may prefer traditional match-ups in the longer term. So long as all teams agree, changing UL-UVa Syr-FSU WF-GT to UL-Syr FSU-GT UVa-WF makes sense.

It's funny how the taking one for the team stuff never involves UNC and Duke and such. Gotta involve that northern half by making the Florida schools play them over better matchups

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really ...
take us for granted ...
see what happens next ...
waiting on headquarters announcement ...
stay or go ...
hold my tongue til then ...

KATY BAR THE DOOR
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Miami has nowhere to go to so you can STFU with silly threats. In your own minds Miami is a huge football power. In the real world Miami is mediocre. Honestly, the ACC would be stronger if we substituted WVU for Miami, not that I want WVU.

And what rational school would make a decision to stay or go based upon the location of the conference headquarters? That's nuts.

(06-29-2022 09:14 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 09:08 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  So what were the ACC AD’s priorities in going divisionless and selecting permanent opponents?

Going divisionless was easy because it provides many benefits:
a) Improves the ACC CCG match-ups. Divisionless has a better chance of selecting better teams.
b) Improves the odds that ACC teams make the playoffs…see the 2020 Covid season example.
c) Improves the schedules for fans because they get to see more diverse opponents…see the ND scheduling model.

The rationale for selecting permanent is harder to decipher. Some thoughts:
1) They didn’t want permanent rivals to be too regional or pod-like. Miami vs BC, plus FSU vs Cuse, reinforce the whole Atlantic Coast / Eastern time zone breadth of the conference.
2) They wanted to better integrate the newer programs. Louisville appears the biggest winner with these permanent rivals: getting 3 southern teams in great recruiting areas with strong TV exposure opportunities. Having the northern schools regularly playing in Florida also helps.
3) All programs got their essential games. Only Clemson and UNC have three essential games and they got them. Many programs have two essentials (e.g., UVa got VT and UNC; FSU got Miami and Clemson; Syracuse got Pitt and BC; etc.). Wake and Georgia Tech seem to be the only programs that got multiple filler match-ups…including a permanent game against each other.
4) They’re only scheduling for four years because they know that fans may prefer traditional match-ups in the longer term. So long as all teams agree, changing UL-UVa Syr-FSU WF-GT to UL-Syr FSU-GT UVa-WF makes sense.

It's funny how the taking one for the team stuff never involves UNC and Duke and such. Gotta involve that northern half by making the Florida schools play them over better matchups

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You have to realize that this change required an amendment to the ACC constitution itself, which requires a 3/4ths super majority [LINK]! As such, the skids had to be greased, so to speak.

Now, hopefully, the annual match-ups were NOT etched in stone the way the old divisions were!

(06-29-2022 09:14 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 09:08 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  So what were the ACC AD’s priorities in going divisionless and selecting permanent opponents?

Going divisionless was easy because it provides many benefits:
a) Improves the ACC CCG match-ups. Divisionless has a better chance of selecting better teams.
b) Improves the odds that ACC teams make the playoffs…see the 2020 Covid season example.
c) Improves the schedules for fans because they get to see more diverse opponents…see the ND scheduling model.

The rationale for selecting permanent is harder to decipher. Some thoughts:
1) They didn’t want permanent rivals to be too regional or pod-like. Miami vs BC, plus FSU vs Cuse, reinforce the whole Atlantic Coast / Eastern time zone breadth of the conference.
2) They wanted to better integrate the newer programs. Louisville appears the biggest winner with these permanent rivals: getting 3 southern teams in great recruiting areas with strong TV exposure opportunities. Having the northern schools regularly playing in Florida also helps.
3) All programs got their essential games. Only Clemson and UNC have three essential games and they got them. Many programs have two essentials (e.g., UVa got VT and UNC; FSU got Miami and Clemson; Syracuse got Pitt and BC; etc.). Wake and Georgia Tech seem to be the only programs that got multiple filler match-ups…including a permanent game against each other.
4) They’re only scheduling for four years because they know that fans may prefer traditional match-ups in the longer term. So long as all teams agree, changing UL-UVa Syr-FSU WF-GT to UL-Syr FSU-GT UVa-WF makes sense.

It's funny how the taking one for the team stuff never involves UNC and Duke and such. Gotta involve that northern half by making the Florida schools play them over better matchups

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You’re wrong about this. If UNC was king and making the scheduling decisions, then they would likely:
1) Demand at least 4 permanent rivals (Duke, UVa, NC State and Wake Forest). Three permanent rivals is too few for UNC.
or
2) Maintain the Coastal and Atlantic Divisions. It provides the Tar Heels a plausible path to the ACC CCG.

The new set-up benefits Clemson and FSU much more than it benefits UNC or Duke. UNC won a battle, while FSU won the war…meanwhile you’re obsessing about a knit.

(06-29-2022 10:11 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 09:14 AM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-29-2022 09:08 AM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  So what were the ACC AD’s priorities in going divisionless and selecting permanent opponents?

Going divisionless was easy because it provides many benefits:
a) Improves the ACC CCG match-ups. Divisionless has a better chance of selecting better teams.
b) Improves the odds that ACC teams make the playoffs…see the 2020 Covid season example.
c) Improves the schedules for fans because they get to see more diverse opponents…see the ND scheduling model.

The rationale for selecting permanent is harder to decipher. Some thoughts:
1) They didn’t want permanent rivals to be too regional or pod-like. Miami vs BC, plus FSU vs Cuse, reinforce the whole Atlantic Coast / Eastern time zone breadth of the conference.
2) They wanted to better integrate the newer programs. Louisville appears the biggest winner with these permanent rivals: getting 3 southern teams in great recruiting areas with strong TV exposure opportunities. Having the northern schools regularly playing in Florida also helps.
3) All programs got their essential games. Only Clemson and UNC have three essential games and they got them. Many programs have two essentials (e.g., UVa got VT and UNC; FSU got Miami and Clemson; Syracuse got Pitt and BC; etc.). Wake and Georgia Tech seem to be the only programs that got multiple filler match-ups…including a permanent game against each other.
4) They’re only scheduling for four years because they know that fans may prefer traditional match-ups in the longer term. So long as all teams agree, changing UL-UVa Syr-FSU WF-GT to UL-Syr FSU-GT UVa-WF makes sense.

It's funny how the taking one for the team stuff never involves UNC and Duke and such. Gotta involve that northern half by making the Florida schools play them over better matchups

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You’re wrong about this. If UNC was king and making the scheduling decisions, then they would likely:
1) Demand at least 4 permanent rivals (Duke, UVa, NC State and Wake Forest). Three permanent rivals is too few for UNC.
or
2) Maintain the Coastal and Atlantic Divisions. It provides the Tar Heels a plausible path to the ACC CCG.

The new set-up benefits Clemson and FSU much more than it benefits UNC or Duke. UNC won a battle, while FSU won the war…meanwhile you’re obsessing about a knit.

It got to the point where they couldn't keep the handpicked coastal division anymore. Still UNC and Duke got to pick the 3 they wanted. Others didn't. It's typical and obvious

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(06-29-2022 08:32 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  TBH, I wish VT could play FSU annually, but I guess every other year will have to do for now.

I was interested in that. The Hokies and Seminoles have had some great games.

As you say, though: We'll be kicking off to each other a lot more often now anyway. It hasn't registered with some people yet, but life just got better for everybody.