(05-25-2022 01:34 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  My problem with non-partisan primaries is that it makes it too easy for a person of the opposite party to come in and vote for the candidate that they want their own party to face. Then, in the general they will vote for their own party candidate.

The system I’m advocating would discourage that, because if people intentionally “waste” their primary-vote on a candidate they don’t really want, they run the risk that the candidate they *Do* want won’t advance past the primary. In other words, that opens the door to a R-vs.-R (or D.-vs.-D.) general election matchup.

(05-25-2022 01:53 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 10:51 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  To those who call MTG crazy, she is nowhere near as loco as many on the left. But she is a fighter and won't back down and I actually like that. While milquetoast supposed conservatives stay silent on things, she speaks up. If those of you who don't like her want a more reserved representative, there are plenty to pick from and most are RINOS who want to pander to the uniparty and Conservative, Inc. MTG is unreservedly MAGA and that bothers some folks. I can see why it bothers the left. What I don't understand is why some on the right are so bothered by her.

Has she made statements that many think are nuts? I suppose she has. How about the leftist loons? That's happens weekly with them.

Kind of like DJT. No more mean tweets. Are we better off with him gone? You know where I stand on that one. Biden in incapable of organizing a two car clown parade.

I view it as a style vs substance issue.

Nailed it!


MTG is an elected official because Republicans (RINOs to be specific) have refused to listen to the people who elect them.

RINOs refuse to listen to the people, so the people decided to MAKE them listen by voting them out.

I get that, but no more should the dems be proud of their anti-Semitic congresswoman should conservatives be proud of someone who openly bought the Q conspiracy hook-line-and-sinker and has openly called the Sandy Hook/MJHS shootings false flag operations.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter as anyone from those districts is going to vote whatever the party decides, but giving these fringe lunatics a large public platform is damaging to their parties image with the people that matter and those are the swing votes.

(05-25-2022 02:07 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 01:53 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 10:51 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  To those who call MTG crazy, she is nowhere near as loco as many on the left. But she is a fighter and won't back down and I actually like that. While milquetoast supposed conservatives stay silent on things, she speaks up. If those of you who don't like her want a more reserved representative, there are plenty to pick from and most are RINOS who want to pander to the uniparty and Conservative, Inc. MTG is unreservedly MAGA and that bothers some folks. I can see why it bothers the left. What I don't understand is why some on the right are so bothered by her.

Has she made statements that many think are nuts? I suppose she has. How about the leftist loons? That's happens weekly with them.

Kind of like DJT. No more mean tweets. Are we better off with him gone? You know where I stand on that one. Biden in incapable of organizing a two car clown parade.

I view it as a style vs substance issue.

Nailed it!


MTG is an elected official because Republicans (RINOs to be specific) have refused to listen to the people who elect them.

RINOs refuse to listen to the people, so the people decided to MAKE them listen by voting them out.

I get that, but no more should the dems be proud of their anti-Semitic congresswoman should conservatives be proud of someone who openly bought the Q conspiracy hook-line-and-sinker and has openly called the Sandy Hook/MJHS shootings false flag operations.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter as anyone from those districts is going to vote whatever the party decides, but giving these fringe lunatics a large public platform is damaging to their parties image with the people that matter and those are the swing votes.

The Q conspiracy? Explain that one to me.

(05-25-2022 02:21 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 02:07 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 01:53 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 10:51 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  To those who call MTG crazy, she is nowhere near as loco as many on the left. But she is a fighter and won't back down and I actually like that. While milquetoast supposed conservatives stay silent on things, she speaks up. If those of you who don't like her want a more reserved representative, there are plenty to pick from and most are RINOS who want to pander to the uniparty and Conservative, Inc. MTG is unreservedly MAGA and that bothers some folks. I can see why it bothers the left. What I don't understand is why some on the right are so bothered by her.

Has she made statements that many think are nuts? I suppose she has. How about the leftist loons? That's happens weekly with them.

Kind of like DJT. No more mean tweets. Are we better off with him gone? You know where I stand on that one. Biden in incapable of organizing a two car clown parade.

I view it as a style vs substance issue.

Nailed it!


MTG is an elected official because Republicans (RINOs to be specific) have refused to listen to the people who elect them.

RINOs refuse to listen to the people, so the people decided to MAKE them listen by voting them out.

I get that, but no more should the dems be proud of their anti-Semitic congresswoman should conservatives be proud of someone who openly bought the Q conspiracy hook-line-and-sinker and has openly called the Sandy Hook/MJHS shootings false flag operations.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter as anyone from those districts is going to vote whatever the party decides, but giving these fringe lunatics a large public platform is damaging to their parties image with the people that matter and those are the swing votes.

The Q conspiracy? Explain that one to me.

here you go

No, Bob. Since you brought that up, I want you to enlighten me with what YOU believe is the Q conspiracy. You obviously bought it hook line and sinker what the left smeared her with. Tell me what it is in your own words.

So many of these conspiracy theories seem to be coming true.

(05-25-2022 11:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 10:38 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 10:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 09:44 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  But Strahan is a “future star” as the baseball cards used to say. She’ll be back.

To continue the baseball analogy, "future star" means you haven't done anything yet.

Patience, grasshopper.

And on a separate note, I’ll say MTG’s victory is yet another example of why I support non-partisan primaries.

How about term limits?

Term limits are favored by rational conservatives and long have been. What about you lefties? I don't recall EVER hearing it from you guys.

(05-25-2022 01:34 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 12:40 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 11:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 10:38 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 10:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  To continue the baseball analogy, "future star" means you haven't done anything yet.

Patience, grasshopper.

And on a separate note, I’ll say MTG’s victory is yet another example of why I support non-partisan primaries.

How about term limits?

Oh, I support that, too.

But non-partisan primaries incentivize candidates to seek the middle ground, IMHO. Term-limits prevent individual office-holders from accumulating an unwieldy/unhealthy amount of personal power, but they don’t really have any bearing on whether the office-holder represents the political extremes or the political consensus.

So, do you consider MTG to be the extreme? She did get almost 70% of the primary vote which suggests to me that her views are more in line with what the majority in the Georgia GOP prefer.

My problem with non-partisan primaries is that it makes it too easy for a person of the opposite party to come in and vote for the candidate that they want their own party to face. Then, in the general they will vote for their own party candidate. Let each party choose their own person to run.

I agree with all of that...

(05-25-2022 02:26 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  No, Bob. Since you brought that up, I want you to enlighten me with what YOU believe is the Q conspiracy. You obviously bought it hook line and sinker what the left smeared her with. Tell me what it is in your own words.

So many of these conspiracy theories seem to be coming true.

I'm waiting with bated breath.

(05-25-2022 02:26 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  No, Bob. Since you brought that up, I want you to enlighten me with what YOU believe is the Q conspiracy. You obviously bought it hook line and sinker what the left smeared her with. Tell me what it is in your own words.

So many of these conspiracy theories seem to be coming true.

Not getting into some the deeper points of it and keeping to the parts that she has said out of her own mouth.

Q was an undercover intelligence operative who start leaking information to 4chan that the Trump administration was fighting a war against the "cabal" which was the upper echelon of society that were satan worshipping cannabalistic pedophiles. Trump was preparing to unleash the great purge or great awakening which would be mass arrests of the highest levels of government and Hollywood.

I know this stuff not from left leaning media. Back when DJT first took office we had poster over on the Raider Round forums start posting all of the Q drops so for almost 4 years we got to read and witness the utter stupidity of the q predictions fail over and over.

Is there a "cabal"? I don't know and I don't think any of us ever will so I'm not going to debate that conspiracy theory. I will say anyone that believed in Q is moron if for no other reason not a single prediction or statement he ever made came true and it turned out it was all a troll job.

(05-25-2022 02:07 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 01:53 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 10:51 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  To those who call MTG crazy, she is nowhere near as loco as many on the left. But she is a fighter and won't back down and I actually like that. While milquetoast supposed conservatives stay silent on things, she speaks up. If those of you who don't like her want a more reserved representative, there are plenty to pick from and most are RINOS who want to pander to the uniparty and Conservative, Inc. MTG is unreservedly MAGA and that bothers some folks. I can see why it bothers the left. What I don't understand is why some on the right are so bothered by her.

Has she made statements that many think are nuts? I suppose she has. How about the leftist loons? That's happens weekly with them.

Kind of like DJT. No more mean tweets. Are we better off with him gone? You know where I stand on that one. Biden in incapable of organizing a two car clown parade.

I view it as a style vs substance issue.

Nailed it!


MTG is an elected official because Republicans (RINOs to be specific) have refused to listen to the people who elect them.

RINOs refuse to listen to the people, so the people decided to MAKE them listen by voting them out.

I get that, but no more should the dems be proud of their anti-Semitic congresswoman should conservatives be proud of someone who openly bought the Q conspiracy hook-line-and-sinker and has openly called the Sandy Hook/MJHS shootings false flag operations.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter as anyone from those districts is going to vote whatever the party decides, but giving these fringe lunatics a large public platform is damaging to their parties image with the people that matter and those are the swing votes.

Listen to her speech.

They kicked her off committees so she has forced floor members to vote on record by challenging every voice vote.

She points out that Dem-controlled committees refuse to include GOP amendments.

She says once the GOP takes back the House and Senate later this year she'll be back on committees and she'll make the Dems pay.

I can give her a pass on Q conspiracies. After all, my mom has bought them.

I'd much rather have someone like MTG in there fighting for America than, say, Mitch McConnel, Mitt Romney, Kevin McCarthy, Adam Kinzinger, etc.

Career politicians have had their time. They've screwed the American people for decades and generations.

It's refreshing that normal people have decided to take a stand and say NO MORE.


MTG has a family construction business and another business she started herself. It's easy to make fun of her, but you can't knock her achievements.

(05-25-2022 02:31 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 11:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 10:38 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 10:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 09:44 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  But Strahan is a “future star” as the baseball cards used to say. She’ll be back.

To continue the baseball analogy, "future star" means you haven't done anything yet.

Patience, grasshopper.

And on a separate note, I’ll say MTG’s victory is yet another example of why I support non-partisan primaries.

How about term limits?

Term limits are favored by rational conservatives and long have been. What about you lefties? I don't recall EVER hearing it from you guys.

Term limits is one of those things both Dems and Republicans would have to propose and pass.

I don't see either party doing it.

But what does a limited term do anyway?

I used to be for them, but then I realized, just like a gun, it's not the elected position that's corrupt, it's the PERSON serving in the position.

Let's say a corrupt guy is voted into office and he's limited to 8 years. Do you think he won't be corrupt for those 8 years?

My guess is that he'll escalate his corruption because he only has 8 years to enrich himself.

Just like good guys can be trusted with guns, good guys can also be trusted with political office.

And if a good guy holds office, I might prefer him to be there for a while.

AOC is a fighter but she lacks smarts and common sense. All she does is spew crap that doesn't have a hint of intelligence or truth.

MTG is a fighter and is not afraid to mix it up with the establishment. She is a lowly house member but with the same spit fire enthusiasm as Trump. If someone isn't on the same page but is more in line with the opposing line she doesn't care which party you're a member of, she'll come gunning for you. I love that woman and I was worried that the Commie party in Georgia was going to win that battle where she couldn't run anymore. I'm glad she gave them a swift kick to the behind and left them talking to themselves.

(05-25-2022 02:42 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  I'd much rather have someone like MTG in there fighting for America than, say, Mitch McConnel, Mitt Romney, Kevin McCarthy, Adam Kinzinger, etc.

It's refreshing that normal people have decided to take a stand and say NO MORE.

MTG has a family construction business and another business she started herself. It's easy to make fun of her, but you can't knock her achievements.

Ding!! ding!! For all the bitching and whining Ive seen people say/do about standing up to the swamp monsters of Washington D.C., you've got people like MTG who _Do_ it, and good for her!

I'd gladly swap out the romneys and Mcconnels of the Republican party for the MTG's and Rand Pauls (or at least the RP that used to stand up and fight) and Ted Cruz's of the World.

I want someone on my side of the fight, who if they know they're in a fight, they're gonna fight as nasty and fiestily as I know my opponents are willing to do

MTG nearly had more votes than all other candidates, republicans and democrats, combined.

(05-25-2022 11:50 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Tom we may agree on something. Knock me over with a feather. There may yet be common ground that we can find. I think most Americans would love to see term limits. We've got far too many fossils that have been in Congress for a majority of their adult lives. The framers envisioned 'citizen legislators' who would serve for a short period and then return home. They did not envision careerists who would get re-elected until they were in their 80s. Because of that, much of the energy of our Representatives is spent on fundraising and preparing for re-election.

I'd prefer something like;

Senate - two terms maximum, 12 years
House - change the term served to four years and no more than 3 terms, 12 years

Changing the House term to four years would alleviate some of that pressure of preparing for elections.

MHB - your recommended term limit changes make good sense. I would add that all Congressional Representatives and Senators must retire at age 75. Period.

You forgot President and that also should be one single term to avoid the BS "wait until my second term" for the more unique/risky ideas.

The President should be one 6 year term. The same 75 year age max applies as well; so the oldest candidate can be 69 at his/her swearing in. Come do the best job you can in that 6 years. No reelection stuff; it's then all new candidates square off every 6 years.

I could go with those. Kudos.

The hard part is pressuring those in Congress to limit themselves........

(05-25-2022 04:00 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  MTG nearly had more votes than all other candidates, republicans and democrats, combined.

Nice stat!

I knew she had more than all other Republicans combined but I didn't think about the Democrats.

(05-25-2022 05:24 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 04:00 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  MTG nearly had more votes than all other candidates, republicans and democrats, combined.

Nice stat!

I knew she had more than all other Republicans combined but I didn't think about the Democrats.

Thats why the prog filth had the kangaroo court to subvert the will of the people

(05-25-2022 05:27 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 05:24 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-25-2022 04:00 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  MTG nearly had more votes than all other candidates, republicans and democrats, combined.

Nice stat!

I knew she had more than all other Republicans combined but I didn't think about the Democrats.

Thats why the prog filth had the kangaroo court to subvert the will of the people

This is true.

(05-25-2022 11:50 AM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Tom we may agree on something. Knock me over with a feather. There may yet be common ground that we can find. I think most Americans would love to see term limits. We've got far too many fossils that have been in Congress for a majority of their adult lives. The framers envisioned 'citizen legislators' who would serve for a short period and then return home. They did not envision careerists who would get re-elected until they were in their 80s. Because of that, much of the energy of our Representatives is spent on fundraising and preparing for re-election.

I'd prefer something like;

Senate - two terms maximum, 12 years
House - change the term served to four years and no more than 3 terms, 12 years

Changing the House term to four years would alleviate some of that pressure of preparing for elections.

And make president a single 6 year term (no reelection) so you don’t loose two years of the first term to running again.