(04-09-2022 10:12 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 09:35 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 07:25 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 04:45 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 03:32 PM)Big 12 fan too Wrote:  10+ years is an odd statement.

They’re suggesting the GOR isn’t prohibitive to schools moving early.
So why wait 10 years? It’s just a matter of time before it’s realized that there’s no value left in remaining in the ACC. If schools believe it’s dead once the end of GOR (or just before), it becomes a race out the door.

NIL in combination with making half the P2, potentially pay to play (SCOTUS) will have even the most delusional ACC decision-maker looking for a way out much sooner.

This is assuming the GOR is even an issue and 12 votes are needed. The SCOTUS ruling could make things interesting in that regard

Who are they saying that the GoR is not enforceable? To me that’s like a message board fantasy. Would you give me a link from any reputable source?

You mean prohibitive. And they did when they said 10+ years.

It is not whether it’s enforceable, it’s whether it’s prohibiting the end of the ACC. You see the difference?

Anyone that claims a possible end date or the ACC before the expiration of GOR acknowledges it’s not prohibitive. We just disagree the rate of depreciation of ACC membership.

Advice- don’t listen to BIG realignment relics on here that are stuck in 2010 thinking.

Fine. So who are saying that the GoR is not prohibitive for 10 plus years? You know it’s only 2022 and the ACC GoR runs through 2036?

I don’t know whether any ACC school would announce its departure a couple of years earlier than the expiriation of the GoR, but the current GoR effectively probihits its member schools from leaving the ACC for the next 10 plus years.

Does the person that said the following know that it is 2022 with the GoR until 2036?

: “It’s not surprising that many BIG Ten fans keep talking about getting the big fish (ND, UNC, UVa, Duke, etc.) although they won’t be availabe for the next 10+ years”

They’re implying possible departures before end of GOR. In other words, not prohibitive. So it’s just a matter of when does the value of being in the ACC, and conversely the cost of not moving, facilitate dissolution. I was saying if it can be 10+, it can be 5+.

The cleanest way around the GOR is for there to not be enough members that want to remain making 1/2 the P2, along with others that want to secure a future that is at least at parity in pay to the ACC. Conference pride only lasts so long once it’s known you’re basically spending 9 figures to only delay the end, and for some gambling on the future.

ESPN is the sole rights holder and wants to retain brands in the SE. The brokering of schools will be rather easy. It’s simply a matter of how bloody does it need to get. Do they need to first offer Clemson and another? Do they need to also add an SEC invite to a marginal school like VT to put pressure on their top targets? These questions shouldn’t be answered until SCOTUS ruling. The rules of the marketplace need to be known before transactions occur

ESPN can literally offer the ACC brands it wants a great deal, combine them with some SEC property, and keep the Atlantic Coast Conference brand alive by paying for it. From everything I’ve seen since the partnership, ESPN loves the ACC brand and wants to continue pimping it for better or worse.

People do get too emotional over the whole conference allegiance thing. They’re just a collective of sports teams, but they do hold a certain identity at this juncture from a marketing standpoint. Hence, the Big East is still alive and finally back to its original mission since its inception. The ACC with strong UNC and Duke teams is something ESPN wants badly. It would be great if NC State got it together and I still wish they would have snagged Calipari from Memphis.

(04-10-2022 06:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-10-2022 06:07 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2022 03:43 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 09:47 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 09:25 AM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  First of all, even as a KU fan, I agree that the original premise is extraordinarily unlikely. KU is definitely a “partner” brand - a very good one perhaps, but still not enough to move the needle as the primary target.

The only issue with the Missouri comparison above in the context of this scenario is that they were the same thing - the SEC didn’t grab them alone, nor were they the primary target. They were the partner for what they REALLY wanted in aTm. Missouri’s location, overall population (with 2 significant metro areas shared with a neighboring state), respectable academics and balanced interest across major sports make them a good potential fit in three conferences.

That is an excellent point. Missouri had/has a "circumstantial" advantage over Kansas in terms of geography and cultural fit (related to both the SEC and Big Ten).

As I have noted in previous post, I feel Kansas would be deserving of an invite to either the Big Ten or the SEC. If the massive conference realignment shake-up JRsec predicts hits (and I feel he will be proved correct), Kansas should land in either league and will be fine.

As a long-time Cincinnati fan, I look forward to the basketball games between KU and UC once the two schools are Big 12 league mates.

Missouri’s geographic, academic, and cultural fit would actually work well with 3 conferences - not just the B1G and SEC, but also the Big XII were it stronger. Being in the KC area I’ve come across fans who would like any of the above. Many would have preferred to stay (well at least until the latest go-round), some would have really preferred the B1G, and some who are thrilled to be in an unambiguously football-first SEC. I’m contrast, KU fans (not surprisingly) lean very strongly B1G if a move is necessary.

I agree that seeing KU/UC games should be fun. I have no illusions about the Big XII being top tier, although I also don’t think that we’ll be the dregs by any means when it comes to actual on-field/court competition. I think it’s going to be a fun league.

The future Big 12 should be very respectable ("sufficiently power," as I like to say) in football, outstanding in men's hoops and top-notch in baseball. And of the future 12 schools, I recall recently counting eight have medical schools. That's prestigious.

On a side note, Nashville is home to a decent number of Missouri fans (my ex-boss is one, as is the wife of one of my best friends).

The Big 12 should be just as good as the ACC & PAC in football. Both in reputation and on the field.

And in basketball, the Big 12 is the clear #1 conference now from top-to-bottom. Even a storied program like Cincinnati will probably be in the lower half of the conference.

As a UC fan, I think the Big 12 situation for us is actually better than the Big East situation from '05-'12. Big East basketball was awesome, and the NYC coverage was great for the university, but the respect never materialized in football no matter how good the teams were on the field.

Overall, I agree.

The future looks bright.

(04-10-2022 08:42 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2022 06:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-10-2022 06:07 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2022 03:43 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  

(04-09-2022 09:47 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  That is an excellent point. Missouri had/has a "circumstantial" advantage over Kansas in terms of geography and cultural fit (related to both the SEC and Big Ten).

As I have noted in previous post, I feel Kansas would be deserving of an invite to either the Big Ten or the SEC. If the massive conference realignment shake-up JRsec predicts hits (and I feel he will be proved correct), Kansas should land in either league and will be fine.

As a long-time Cincinnati fan, I look forward to the basketball games between KU and UC once the two schools are Big 12 league mates.

Missouri’s geographic, academic, and cultural fit would actually work well with 3 conferences - not just the B1G and SEC, but also the Big XII were it stronger. Being in the KC area I’ve come across fans who would like any of the above. Many would have preferred to stay (well at least until the latest go-round), some would have really preferred the B1G, and some who are thrilled to be in an unambiguously football-first SEC. I’m contrast, KU fans (not surprisingly) lean very strongly B1G if a move is necessary.

I agree that seeing KU/UC games should be fun. I have no illusions about the Big XII being top tier, although I also don’t think that we’ll be the dregs by any means when it comes to actual on-field/court competition. I think it’s going to be a fun league.

The future Big 12 should be very respectable ("sufficiently power," as I like to say) in football, outstanding in men's hoops and top-notch in baseball. And of the future 12 schools, I recall recently counting eight have medical schools. That's prestigious.

On a side note, Nashville is home to a decent number of Missouri fans (my ex-boss is one, as is the wife of one of my best friends).

The Big 12 should be just as good as the ACC & PAC in football. Both in reputation and on the field.

And in basketball, the Big 12 is the clear #1 conference now from top-to-bottom. Even a storied program like Cincinnati will probably be in the lower half of the conference.

As a UC fan, I think the Big 12 situation for us is actually better than the Big East situation from '05-'12. Big East basketball was awesome, and the NYC coverage was great for the university, but the respect never materialized in football no matter how good the teams were on the field.

Overall, I agree.

The future looks bright.

A bright future is not always a good thing Bill. I give you Supernovas and Gamma Ray bursts and nuclear detonations. It may be "so bright you gotta wear shades!"

What most want they cannot have, stasis.

(04-10-2022 08:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-10-2022 08:42 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2022 06:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-10-2022 06:07 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2022 03:43 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  Missouri’s geographic, academic, and cultural fit would actually work well with 3 conferences - not just the B1G and SEC, but also the Big XII were it stronger. Being in the KC area I’ve come across fans who would like any of the above. Many would have preferred to stay (well at least until the latest go-round), some would have really preferred the B1G, and some who are thrilled to be in an unambiguously football-first SEC. I’m contrast, KU fans (not surprisingly) lean very strongly B1G if a move is necessary.

I agree that seeing KU/UC games should be fun. I have no illusions about the Big XII being top tier, although I also don’t think that we’ll be the dregs by any means when it comes to actual on-field/court competition. I think it’s going to be a fun league.

The future Big 12 should be very respectable ("sufficiently power," as I like to say) in football, outstanding in men's hoops and top-notch in baseball. And of the future 12 schools, I recall recently counting eight have medical schools. That's prestigious.

On a side note, Nashville is home to a decent number of Missouri fans (my ex-boss is one, as is the wife of one of my best friends).

The Big 12 should be just as good as the ACC & PAC in football. Both in reputation and on the field.

And in basketball, the Big 12 is the clear #1 conference now from top-to-bottom. Even a storied program like Cincinnati will probably be in the lower half of the conference.

As a UC fan, I think the Big 12 situation for us is actually better than the Big East situation from '05-'12. Big East basketball was awesome, and the NYC coverage was great for the university, but the respect never materialized in football no matter how good the teams were on the field.

Overall, I agree.

The future looks bright.

A bright future is not always a good thing Bill. I give you Supernovas and Gamma Ray bursts and nuclear detonations. It may be "so bright you gotta wear shades!"

What most want they cannot have, stasis.

Is there a ZZ Top reference in there, JRsec?

On a serious note ...

... I've seen previous posts from you that suggest you feel Cincinnati will "make the cut." Correct?

(04-10-2022 11:03 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2022 08:51 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-10-2022 08:42 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(04-10-2022 06:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(04-10-2022 06:07 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  The future Big 12 should be very respectable ("sufficiently power," as I like to say) in football, outstanding in men's hoops and top-notch in baseball. And of the future 12 schools, I recall recently counting eight have medical schools. That's prestigious.

On a side note, Nashville is home to a decent number of Missouri fans (my ex-boss is one, as is the wife of one of my best friends).

The Big 12 should be just as good as the ACC & PAC in football. Both in reputation and on the field.

And in basketball, the Big 12 is the clear #1 conference now from top-to-bottom. Even a storied program like Cincinnati will probably be in the lower half of the conference.

As a UC fan, I think the Big 12 situation for us is actually better than the Big East situation from '05-'12. Big East basketball was awesome, and the NYC coverage was great for the university, but the respect never materialized in football no matter how good the teams were on the field.

Overall, I agree.

The future looks bright.

A bright future is not always a good thing Bill. I give you Supernovas and Gamma Ray bursts and nuclear detonations. It may be "so bright you gotta wear shades!"

What most want they cannot have, stasis.

Is there a ZZ Top reference in there, JRsec?

On a serious note ...

... I've seen previous posts from you that suggest you feel Cincinnati will "make the cut." Correct?

Timbuk 3, not ZZ Top, although at times I've been "a Sharp Dressed Man" and when young I may have prayed, "Lord take me downtown. I'm just looking for some tush."

In a P3 of 24 each, yes, I think Cincinnati, BYU, and Houston make the cut. UCF would depend upon how the alignment breaks.