(03-08-2022 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 10:43 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 10:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 09:25 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 07:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  The orange idiots actual words:

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/full-tex...-1.6509501

Meanwhile Germany still receives around 30% of their oil from Russia. So, no, they weren't dependent on Russia then nor now. And are still not relying on a single supplier. Curious on how trump thought they should replace what they currently receive from Russia...like he would have even had a clue! He probably would suggest they paint China on the pipeline.

30% is substantial. I don't know if any one country that gives us 30% of the oil we use. This is just like the people that argue it's okay we don't have the Keystone pipeline because we don't buy oil from Russie (as if the effects they have on the oil market won't reach us).

Well yeah...but if you're a country with limited supply or drilling/exploration capacity...you have little to no other options in the short term.

And just a reminder, the keystone pipeline exists and continues to function on a daily basis. What was stopped was one extension to be added to it to bring in Canadian tar sands, mostly for export to other countries.

Wouldn't the bold help offset the Russian dependency of those other countries?

It wouldn't hurt, but it was one pipeline extension to an existing pipeline. There's thousands of pipelines across the globe. This was a blip on the radar. But this one had an even less of an effect because virtually NO ONE expected this to be completed any time soon! It was in the works for years and really never got off the ground due to several stoppages by courts for environmental issues until it was finally stopped by SCOTUS in 2020. It was only about 10% complete when it was finally scuttled. Anyone thinking it was going to produce a market resource at some point in the near future was delusional.

I get that it won't solve everything, but it would definitely help.

(03-08-2022 11:01 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 10:43 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 10:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 09:25 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  30% is substantial. I don't know if any one country that gives us 30% of the oil we use. This is just like the people that argue it's okay we don't have the Keystone pipeline because we don't buy oil from Russie (as if the effects they have on the oil market won't reach us).

Well yeah...but if you're a country with limited supply or drilling/exploration capacity...you have little to no other options in the short term.

And just a reminder, the keystone pipeline exists and continues to function on a daily basis. What was stopped was one extension to be added to it to bring in Canadian tar sands, mostly for export to other countries.

Wouldn't the bold help offset the Russian dependency of those other countries?

It wouldn't hurt, but it was one pipeline extension to an existing pipeline. There's thousands of pipelines across the globe. This was a blip on the radar. But this one had an even less of an effect because virtually NO ONE expected this to be completed any time soon! It was in the works for years and really never got off the ground due to several stoppages by courts for environmental issues until it was finally stopped by SCOTUS in 2020. It was only about 10% complete when it was finally scuttled. Anyone thinking it was going to produce a market resource at some point in the near future was delusional.

I get that it won't solve everything, but it would definitely help.

Thats not dialogue from him, those are excuses.

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(03-08-2022 11:01 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 10:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 10:43 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 10:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-08-2022 09:25 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  30% is substantial. I don't know if any one country that gives us 30% of the oil we use. This is just like the people that argue it's okay we don't have the Keystone pipeline because we don't buy oil from Russie (as if the effects they have on the oil market won't reach us).

Well yeah...but if you're a country with limited supply or drilling/exploration capacity...you have little to no other options in the short term.

And just a reminder, the keystone pipeline exists and continues to function on a daily basis. What was stopped was one extension to be added to it to bring in Canadian tar sands, mostly for export to other countries.

Wouldn't the bold help offset the Russian dependency of those other countries?

It wouldn't hurt, but it was one pipeline extension to an existing pipeline. There's thousands of pipelines across the globe. This was a blip on the radar. But this one had an even less of an effect because virtually NO ONE expected this to be completed any time soon! It was in the works for years and really never got off the ground due to several stoppages by courts for environmental issues until it was finally stopped by SCOTUS in 2020. It was only about 10% complete when it was finally scuttled. Anyone thinking it was going to produce a market resource at some point in the near future was delusional.

I get that it won't solve everything, but it would definitely help.

If it would have been completed...yeah...several years from now. But with being such a small addition, the effect would have been next to nothing on the global market.

It's just annoying how misinformed so many people are on what actually was stopped and why.

Our current path is unsustainable regarding oil. We need to start producing at home NOW.

It doesn’t matter if it will take years to produce and use. This path that we’re on is turning into a national security issue.