(01-19-2022 09:01 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 07:24 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 07:12 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:45 PM)BCSvsBS Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 06:19 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

AAC media rights (which we still haven't seen the new deal kick in the ducats) plus a doubling of CFP revenues for our smaller slice of expanded/restructured CFP plus NCAA MBB tourney provides a SWAG of...I dunno, $12 million, maybe a little more.

AAC will remain ahead of the G4s, but potentially the gap to the autonomy conferences increases.

They could also follow the latest AAC model and have the incoming schools get less, keeping the L8 from losing money and the newcomers even while not getting full share making more than they do now.

Anyways as you said the PAC contract comes first and that will give them an idea.
CFP won’t change until probably 2026 as well as bowls tie ins

So
BigTen ends after 2022-23
PAC tv contract ends 2023-24
Big12 tv deal ends 2024-25
CFP and bowl contracts ends 2025-26

That will happen until 2025 when current deal ends. Same in AAC until their deal ends in 10 years or so. 2025/26 will tell the tale for B12. AAC has until 2031.
What our opinions are until then don't really matter.

You are correct none of our opinions matter and that’s why I posted the dates that will matter.

(01-19-2022 11:33 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 11:25 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:01 AM)otown Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the Big 12 did the circus with interviewing schools and ultimately decided against expanding, wasn't one of the reason to strong arm espn into paying more to the current teams while removing language in their current contract the guarantees new equal pay for new members? If that is the case, the media partners would have to agree to pay new members if they come on board under this current contract.......otherwise there is no extra money from espn. If OU and Texas stay until 2025, where is this extra money coming from for 23 and 24? Exit fees usually pay out over a period of time and don't start until a team leaves, and it's safe to say the left behinds will want it all. Soooooo I just do not understand who will be paying these newbies if they join before 25?

They aren't.

But shhhhhhhhhhhh, you're going to ruin the Houston, UCF, Cincy fans delusion. They are going to pay a lot in entrance and exit fees, to not make very much more money.

As you correctly pointed out there is no spare money in the media deal and OU/Texas are not leaving till 2025. If they do the contract will be renegotiated right then, meaning still no money.

In 2025 the B12 will be renegotiating a deal with 50% or more of its value gone to the SEC, but those left behind 8 schools just like the left behind AAC teams don't want to take a pay cut, so uneven distribution will be necessary for the old B12 members to keep their almost 20m in media. So it seems unlikely that the three will recieve significantly more than two or three million on what they would of made here. Which had they stayed, that would likely have earned them a similar pay raise in the AAC with out the extra fees.

Of course after OU/Texas leave ESPN could just finish kneecapping the B12 like they did the Big East, and we'll see five or six of the left behind 8 bail when the media deal is announced.

This coming from someone who was wrong at every turn during this re alignment.

the tulsa trolls are particularly useless and unreliable. they twist everything, to match whatever little "zinger" they're trying to lob. they have to be the worst posters on this site.

Well, one thing's for certain, I wouldn't wag my finger at the NB12 dollars before considering what the AACv3.0 dollars will become. It's not about two or three years from now but over the longer term. Also, if the B12 invited Tulsa what do you think their response would be? Stay in the AAC? Oh Please.

(01-19-2022 11:25 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:01 AM)otown Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the Big 12 did the circus with interviewing schools and ultimately decided against expanding, wasn't one of the reason to strong arm espn into paying more to the current teams while removing language in their current contract the guarantees new equal pay for new members? If that is the case, the media partners would have to agree to pay new members if they come on board under this current contract.......otherwise there is no extra money from espn. If OU and Texas stay until 2025, where is this extra money coming from for 23 and 24? Exit fees usually pay out over a period of time and don't start until a team leaves, and it's safe to say the left behinds will want it all. Soooooo I just do not understand who will be paying these newbies if they join before 25?

They aren't.

But shhhhhhhhhhhh, you're going to ruin the Houston, UCF, Cincy fans delusion. They are going to pay a lot in entrance and exit fees, to not make very much more money.

As you correctly pointed out there is no spare money in the media deal and OU/Texas are not leaving till 2025. If they do the contract will be renegotiated right then, meaning still no money.

In 2025 the B12 will be renegotiating a deal with 50% or more of its value gone to the SEC, but those left behind 8 schools just like the left behind AAC teams don't want to take a pay cut, so uneven distribution will be necessary for the old B12 members to keep their almost 20m in media. So it seems unlikely that the three will recieve significantly more than two or three million on what they would of made here. Which had they stayed, that would likely have earned them a similar pay raise in the AAC with out the extra fees.

Of course after OU/Texas leave ESPN could just finish kneecapping the B12 like they did the Big East, and we'll see five or six of the left behind 8 bail when the media deal is announced.

I love UC…Houston and UCF’s position a lot better than the schools we are leaving behind…

(01-19-2022 09:01 AM)otown Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the Big 12 did the circus with interviewing schools and ultimately decided against expanding, wasn't one of the reason to strong arm espn into paying more to the current teams while removing language in their current contract the guarantees new equal pay for new members? If that is the case, the media partners would have to agree to pay new members if they come on board under this current contract.......otherwise there is no extra money from espn. If OU and Texas stay until 2025, where is this extra money coming from for 23 and 24? Exit fees usually pay out over a period of time and don't start until a team leaves, and it's safe to say the left behinds will want it all. Soooooo I just do not understand who will be paying these newbies if they join before 25?

this is wrong.. you are correct in the fact that the 2016 charade was just a ploy to get money, wrong in the fact that language was added to prevent new additions..

baylors AD spoke on this already and that is what fueled the 2nd wave expansion rumor
he said the tv contract will pay up to 14 members and no more..with every added they have 14 members , they are at 14 wth ou/texas and the new members, so they have to wait before deciding if they even wanted to add anyone else

but it shows the contract will pay for more

(01-19-2022 12:12 PM)uchoops Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 11:25 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:01 AM)otown Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the Big 12 did the circus with interviewing schools and ultimately decided against expanding, wasn't one of the reason to strong arm espn into paying more to the current teams while removing language in their current contract the guarantees new equal pay for new members? If that is the case, the media partners would have to agree to pay new members if they come on board under this current contract.......otherwise there is no extra money from espn. If OU and Texas stay until 2025, where is this extra money coming from for 23 and 24? Exit fees usually pay out over a period of time and don't start until a team leaves, and it's safe to say the left behinds will want it all. Soooooo I just do not understand who will be paying these newbies if they join before 25?

They aren't.

But shhhhhhhhhhhh, you're going to ruin the Houston, UCF, Cincy fans delusion. They are going to pay a lot in entrance and exit fees, to not make very much more money.

As you correctly pointed out there is no spare money in the media deal and OU/Texas are not leaving till 2025. If they do the contract will be renegotiated right then, meaning still no money.

In 2025 the B12 will be renegotiating a deal with 50% or more of its value gone to the SEC, but those left behind 8 schools just like the left behind AAC teams don't want to take a pay cut, so uneven distribution will be necessary for the old B12 members to keep their almost 20m in media. So it seems unlikely that the three will recieve significantly more than two or three million on what they would of made here. Which had they stayed, that would likely have earned them a similar pay raise in the AAC with out the extra fees.

Of course after OU/Texas leave ESPN could just finish kneecapping the B12 like they did the Big East, and we'll see five or six of the left behind 8 bail when the media deal is announced.

I love UC…Houston and UCF’s position a lot better than the schools we are leaving behind…

Don’t worry. I’m pretty sure this is one of the guys who actually thought the remaining Big 12 schools would leave for the American, rather than just take their best (which they did).

(01-19-2022 11:25 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:01 AM)otown Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the Big 12 did the circus with interviewing schools and ultimately decided against expanding, wasn't one of the reason to strong arm espn into paying more to the current teams while removing language in their current contract the guarantees new equal pay for new members? If that is the case, the media partners would have to agree to pay new members if they come on board under this current contract.......otherwise there is no extra money from espn. If OU and Texas stay until 2025, where is this extra money coming from for 23 and 24? Exit fees usually pay out over a period of time and don't start until a team leaves, and it's safe to say the left behinds will want it all. Soooooo I just do not understand who will be paying these newbies if they join before 25?

They aren't.

But shhhhhhhhhhhh, you're going to ruin the Houston, UCF, Cincy fans delusion. They are going to pay a lot in entrance and exit fees, to not make very much more money.

As you correctly pointed out there is no spare money in the media deal and OU/Texas are not leaving till 2025. If they do the contract will be renegotiated right then, meaning still no money.

In 2025 the B12 will be renegotiating a deal with 50% or more of its value gone to the SEC, but those left behind 8 schools just like the left behind AAC teams don't want to take a pay cut, so uneven distribution will be necessary for the old B12 members to keep their almost 20m in media. So it seems unlikely that the three will recieve significantly more than two or three million on what they would of made here. Which had they stayed, that would likely have earned them a similar pay raise in the AAC with out the extra fees.

Of course after OU/Texas leave ESPN could just finish kneecapping the B12 like they did the Big East, and we'll see five or six of the left behind 8 bail when the media deal is announced.

And even if that does happen, which is unlikely, the leftovers will have the pick of the best of the rest, which would undoubtedly include AAC members Memphis and USF at a minimum. Tulsa? Pretty much stuck in a downward trajectory Foreverandeverandever.......

(01-19-2022 11:25 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:01 AM)otown Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the Big 12 did the circus with interviewing schools and ultimately decided against expanding, wasn't one of the reason to strong arm espn into paying more to the current teams while removing language in their current contract the guarantees new equal pay for new members? If that is the case, the media partners would have to agree to pay new members if they come on board under this current contract.......otherwise there is no extra money from espn. If OU and Texas stay until 2025, where is this extra money coming from for 23 and 24? Exit fees usually pay out over a period of time and don't start until a team leaves, and it's safe to say the left behinds will want it all. Soooooo I just do not understand who will be paying these newbies if they join before 25?

They aren't.

But shhhhhhhhhhhh, you're going to ruin the Houston, UCF, Cincy fans delusion. They are going to pay a lot in entrance and exit fees, to not make very much more money.

As you correctly pointed out there is no spare money in the media deal and OU/Texas are not leaving till 2025. If they do the contract will be renegotiated right then, meaning still no money.

In 2025 the B12 will be renegotiating a deal with 50% or more of its value gone to the SEC, but those left behind 8 schools just like the left behind AAC teams don't want to take a pay cut, so uneven distribution will be necessary for the old B12 members to keep their almost 20m in media. So it seems unlikely that the three will recieve significantly more than two or three million on what they would of made here. Which had they stayed, that would likely have earned them a similar pay raise in the AAC with out the extra fees.

Of course after OU/Texas leave ESPN could just finish kneecapping the B12 like they did the Big East, and we'll see five or six of the left behind 8 bail when the media deal is announced.

Let me let you in on a secret, I am a UCF fan. With that being said, I am a realist and do not expect a huge windfall if they get inserted into the CURRENT Big 12 deal before the new Big 12 contract in 2025. However, your delusion astounds me with the rest of your sour grapes diatribe on what you think their new contract will be. Reminds me of the Dawgxas posts on the CUSA boards spewing his sour grapes hate on the AAC predicting our contract to be under $2million. We all know how that turned out.

(01-19-2022 12:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:01 AM)otown Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the Big 12 did the circus with interviewing schools and ultimately decided against expanding, wasn't one of the reason to strong arm espn into paying more to the current teams while removing language in their current contract the guarantees new equal pay for new members? If that is the case, the media partners would have to agree to pay new members if they come on board under this current contract.......otherwise there is no extra money from espn. If OU and Texas stay until 2025, where is this extra money coming from for 23 and 24? Exit fees usually pay out over a period of time and don't start until a team leaves, and it's safe to say the left behinds will want it all. Soooooo I just do not understand who will be paying these newbies if they join before 25?

this is wrong.. you are correct in the fact that the 2016 charade was just a ploy to get money, wrong in the fact that language was added to prevent new additions..

baylors AD spoke on this already and that is what fueled the 2nd wave expansion rumor
he said the tv contract will pay up to 14 members and no more..with every added they have 14 members , they are at 14 wth ou/texas and the new members, so they have to wait before deciding if they even wanted to add anyone else

but it shows the contract will pay for more

That is good to know. Do you know if it stated that they will match shares up to 14?

(01-19-2022 01:37 PM)otown Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 11:25 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:01 AM)otown Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the Big 12 did the circus with interviewing schools and ultimately decided against expanding, wasn't one of the reason to strong arm espn into paying more to the current teams while removing language in their current contract the guarantees new equal pay for new members? If that is the case, the media partners would have to agree to pay new members if they come on board under this current contract.......otherwise there is no extra money from espn. If OU and Texas stay until 2025, where is this extra money coming from for 23 and 24? Exit fees usually pay out over a period of time and don't start until a team leaves, and it's safe to say the left behinds will want it all. Soooooo I just do not understand who will be paying these newbies if they join before 25?

They aren't.

But shhhhhhhhhhhh, you're going to ruin the Houston, UCF, Cincy fans delusion. They are going to pay a lot in entrance and exit fees, to not make very much more money.

As you correctly pointed out there is no spare money in the media deal and OU/Texas are not leaving till 2025. If they do the contract will be renegotiated right then, meaning still no money.

In 2025 the B12 will be renegotiating a deal with 50% or more of its value gone to the SEC, but those left behind 8 schools just like the left behind AAC teams don't want to take a pay cut, so uneven distribution will be necessary for the old B12 members to keep their almost 20m in media. So it seems unlikely that the three will recieve significantly more than two or three million on what they would of made here. Which had they stayed, that would likely have earned them a similar pay raise in the AAC with out the extra fees.

Of course after OU/Texas leave ESPN could just finish kneecapping the B12 like they did the Big East, and we'll see five or six of the left behind 8 bail when the media deal is announced.

Let me let you in on a secret, I am a UCF fan. With that being said, I am a realist and do not expect a huge windfall if they get inserted into the CURRENT Big 12 deal before the new Big 12 contract in 2025. However, your delusion astounds me with the rest of your sour grapes diatribe on what you think their new contract will be. Reminds me of the Dawgxas posts on the CUSA boards spewing his sour grapes hate on the AAC predicting our contract to be under $2million. We all know how that turned out.

If the BXII is going to get a new deal that pays to the level of the AAC; you left behind AAC schools better buckle up as well. In fact, you should be praying the BXII does not get a significant "hair-cut".

(01-19-2022 01:24 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 12:12 PM)uchoops Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 11:25 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:01 AM)otown Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the Big 12 did the circus with interviewing schools and ultimately decided against expanding, wasn't one of the reason to strong arm espn into paying more to the current teams while removing language in their current contract the guarantees new equal pay for new members? If that is the case, the media partners would have to agree to pay new members if they come on board under this current contract.......otherwise there is no extra money from espn. If OU and Texas stay until 2025, where is this extra money coming from for 23 and 24? Exit fees usually pay out over a period of time and don't start until a team leaves, and it's safe to say the left behinds will want it all. Soooooo I just do not understand who will be paying these newbies if they join before 25?

They aren't.

But shhhhhhhhhhhh, you're going to ruin the Houston, UCF, Cincy fans delusion. They are going to pay a lot in entrance and exit fees, to not make very much more money.

As you correctly pointed out there is no spare money in the media deal and OU/Texas are not leaving till 2025. If they do the contract will be renegotiated right then, meaning still no money.

In 2025 the B12 will be renegotiating a deal with 50% or more of its value gone to the SEC, but those left behind 8 schools just like the left behind AAC teams don't want to take a pay cut, so uneven distribution will be necessary for the old B12 members to keep their almost 20m in media. So it seems unlikely that the three will recieve significantly more than two or three million on what they would of made here. Which had they stayed, that would likely have earned them a similar pay raise in the AAC with out the extra fees.

Of course after OU/Texas leave ESPN could just finish kneecapping the B12 like they did the Big East, and we'll see five or six of the left behind 8 bail when the media deal is announced.

I love UC…Houston and UCF’s position a lot better than the schools we are leaving behind…

Don’t worry. I’m pretty sure this is one of the guys who actually thought the remaining Big 12 schools would leave for the American, rather than just take their best (which they did).

He is just a bitter Tulsa fan. He knows his school has no future in D1 football so he is doing whatever he can to soften the blow in his mind. Combined with the fact that he was literally wrong on every prediction and it pretty much broke him.


Sent from the Warp via the ruinous powers of Chaos!

That guy’s statements of what was going to happen was more utterly wrong than a fat guy in a Speedo.

(01-19-2022 01:39 PM)otown Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 12:40 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:01 AM)otown Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the Big 12 did the circus with interviewing schools and ultimately decided against expanding, wasn't one of the reason to strong arm espn into paying more to the current teams while removing language in their current contract the guarantees new equal pay for new members? If that is the case, the media partners would have to agree to pay new members if they come on board under this current contract.......otherwise there is no extra money from espn. If OU and Texas stay until 2025, where is this extra money coming from for 23 and 24? Exit fees usually pay out over a period of time and don't start until a team leaves, and it's safe to say the left behinds will want it all. Soooooo I just do not understand who will be paying these newbies if they join before 25?

this is wrong.. you are correct in the fact that the 2016 charade was just a ploy to get money, wrong in the fact that language was added to prevent new additions..

baylors AD spoke on this already and that is what fueled the 2nd wave expansion rumor
he said the tv contract will pay up to 14 members and no more..with every added they have 14 members , they are at 14 wth ou/texas and the new members, so they have to wait before deciding if they even wanted to add anyone else

but it shows the contract will pay for more

That is good to know. Do you know if it stated that they will match shares up to 14?

Wasn't said, but I would bet they don't..
ESPN will give them full shares, they give us partial shares , and the remaining 8 will keep the rest as profit

(01-19-2022 12:56 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 04:41 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 04:35 PM)BraveKnight Wrote:  

(01-18-2022 02:56 PM)Coog Engineer Wrote:  Wasn't the UH contract with the B12 was revealed recently? No reason to think the other schools contracts aren't similar in regards to the money issue, but it looks quite clear why the 4 schools likely won't be joining sooner than 2023, and possibly not until 2024 for schools not named BYU.

Basically UH doesn't start getting any B12 money until 2024, so no real impetus to not only pay more in exit fees, but to compete in the B12 essentially for free for one year instead of getting paid AAC money.

We don’t get a FULL share until the new contract is negotiated, but we still get about $18-19M per school I believe, which is almost triple what the AAC currently gives us.

I think the new b-12 tv contract will be brutally less than 18m

Nobody really knows what the Big12's future holds----but its worth noting that NBC just resigned the Premier League for about 450 million a year. The Premier League Games on NBC average fewer viewers than the Big12 "leftover's" games. So, I suspect the Big12 will do better than many expect when it comes time to make their deal.

clt says you are not accounting for Richmond moving back to the Premier League. BBQ Sauce!

Granted, UC, BYU, Houston, and UCF will not make a "full share" of the [current] B12 money if they join before 2025...BUT...I guarantee you that none of these four will make LESS than the current AAC value. Which, if you were paying attention, was the whole contention around the previous B12 expansion talk-- "none of these schools bring $20 Million/year value..." We won't make $20 Million; we'll make $8 Million for 2023 and 2024, while the rest of the Big XII members make $20 Million for the remainder of the GoR.

("Gosh!" you might say... "That sounds exactly like the deal being talked about for the AAC legacy teams and the newcomers." And you'd be correct. That's EXACTLY what will happen for UC, BYU, UH, and UCF...FOR TWO YEARS.)

The remaining question is only what the Big XII media deal will look like after 2025. Most assumptions I have seen seem to expect the (new) Big XII deal to pay around the same amount as the ACC's deal...in the range of $15-$20 Million, with the average assumption to be in the range of $17 Million. Which is a hit for the "legacy" programs...but not a disaster. And it would still be at least DOUBLE what the AAC is getting now.

(01-19-2022 03:08 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  That guy’s statements of what was going to happen was more utterly wrong than a fat guy in a Speedo.

Clt says, "Have you been spying on me?"

Its fine. We will always have our 1940s New YEars Day bowl victories and Epic Myrtle Beach bowl Win and UC will always be 0-4

I think Ultimately the alliance will break away from the SEC and setup their own regular season with out a selection committee, and have their own playoffs including all G conference’s, writing is on the wall, heck it’s been on the wall for awhile y’all just can’t see because deep down inside where your afraid to go but you’ll have to because y’all can’t handle the TRUTH…
Just say’n…

(01-19-2022 11:33 AM)rtaylor Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 11:25 AM)Foreverandever Wrote:  

(01-19-2022 09:01 AM)otown Wrote:  Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the Big 12 did the circus with interviewing schools and ultimately decided against expanding, wasn't one of the reason to strong arm espn into paying more to the current teams while removing language in their current contract the guarantees new equal pay for new members? If that is the case, the media partners would have to agree to pay new members if they come on board under this current contract.......otherwise there is no extra money from espn. If OU and Texas stay until 2025, where is this extra money coming from for 23 and 24? Exit fees usually pay out over a period of time and don't start until a team leaves, and it's safe to say the left behinds will want it all. Soooooo I just do not understand who will be paying these newbies if they join before 25?

They aren't.

But shhhhhhhhhhhh, you're going to ruin the Houston, UCF, Cincy fans delusion. They are going to pay a lot in entrance and exit fees, to not make very much more money.

As you correctly pointed out there is no spare money in the media deal and OU/Texas are not leaving till 2025. If they do the contract will be renegotiated right then, meaning still no money.

In 2025 the B12 will be renegotiating a deal with 50% or more of its value gone to the SEC, but those left behind 8 schools just like the left behind AAC teams don't want to take a pay cut, so uneven distribution will be necessary for the old B12 members to keep their almost 20m in media. So it seems unlikely that the three will recieve significantly more than two or three million on what they would of made here. Which had they stayed, that would likely have earned them a similar pay raise in the AAC with out the extra fees.

Of course after OU/Texas leave ESPN could just finish kneecapping the B12 like they did the Big East, and we'll see five or six of the left behind 8 bail when the media deal is announced.

This coming from someone who was wrong at every turn during this re alignment.

Exactly. All he had to do was read the actual deal and it would prove him wrong. The new teams get a FULL share after 2025 as specified in the signed contract---so his whole theory of uneven B-12 distribution after 2025 is pulled from completely out of his rear. As for the 2023-2025 money---it comes from ESPN and FOX. ESPN and Fox NEVER said the new teams being discussed in 2016 didnt add ANY value---they simply said they didnt add a "pro rata" share of value. Its true ESPN paid to eliminate the "pro rata clause"---but they didnt completely eliminate the "conference composition" clause. ESPN will still be responsible for paying a good faith increase on the deal for the added inventory---they just are no longer contractually obligated to automatically pay a "pro rata" share for the new additions. On the other hand, FOX never bothered to negotiate a buy out of their pro-rata responsibilities---so FOX is screwed. FOX will owe the same pro rata amount they pay Texas for BYU, Houston, Cinci, and UCF as a matter of specific contractual obligation.

As for the 2025 Big12 contract---keep in mind---thats an expiring deal that's well over a decade old. Heck, by 2025, it will have been almost a decade since the ill-fated 2016 B-12 expansion discussions. I would not be surprised at all if the media payout for current Big12 members stays roughly the same or increases slightly. That number would be waaaaaay less than the market value UT/OU will see in the next SEC TV deal. In the end, the Big12 value in 2025 will be based on how the remaining properties perform in the ratings between 2023 and 2025. They will have a solid football league and perhaps the best basketball league in the nation. I have little doubt the Big12 will do just fine---but whatever the Big12 gets will be dwarfed by the new deals the Big10 and SEC get--thats guaranteed.

(01-19-2022 04:15 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Exactly. All he had to do was read the actual deal and it would prove him wrong. The new teams get a FULL share after 2025 as specified in the signed contract---so his whole theory of uneven B-12 distribution after 2025 is pulled from completely out of his rear. As for the 2023-2025 money---it comes from ESPN and FOX. ESPN and Fox NEVER said the new teams being discussed in 2016 didnt add ANY value---they simply said they didnt add a "pro rata" share of value. Its true ESPN paid to eliminate the "pro rata clause"---but they didnt completely eliminate the "conference composition" clause. ESPN will still be responsible for paying a good faith increase on the deal for the added inventory---they just are no longer contractually obligated to automatically pay a "pro rata" share for the new additions. On the other hand, FOX never bothered to negotiate a buy out of their pro-rata responsibilities---so FOX is screwed. FOX will owe the same pro rata amount they pay Texas for BYU, Houston, Cinci, and UCF as a matter of specific contractual obligation.

As for the 2025 Big12 contract---keep in mind---thats an expiring deal that's well over a decade old. Heck, by 2025, it will have been almost a decade since the ill-fated 2016 B-12 expansion discussions. I would not be surprised at all if the media payout for current Big12 members stays roughly the same or increases slightly. That number would be waaaaaay less than the market value UT/OU will see in the next SEC TV deal. In the end, the Big12 value in 2025 will be based on how the remaining properties perform in the ratings between 2023 and 2025.

Great stuff ACoog. But again, I don't understand any criticism [beyond trolling] about making less money in the B12 sans Texas and Oklahoma when the AAC has its own revenue issues to deal with moving forward. Good luck with the hoops product FWIW. That really started when UConn bolted.