(12-14-2021 12:43 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 06:33 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Cleveland is a culturally weird city. The northeastern part of the state was originally settled almost exclusively by New Englanders or the ancestors of New Englanders that spent a generation or two in Western NY first. There’s still a little holdover from that politically and socially. What really defines the city is the waves of Catholic Eastern European immigrants that moved there in the late 1800s and early 1900s. It was a much different ethnic mix than German Cincinnati.

Cleveland’s roots are New England and Eastern Europe.
Cincinnati’s roots are Southern and German.
Columbus is somewhere in the middle, but with a much less immigrant industrial identity.

Also, lots of people from the Pittsburgh/Southwestern Pa. area moved to Cleveland in the post-WW2 to late Sixties time frame to get jobs.

Just about every family I knew growing up, including mine, had lots of family members (Irish, Italian, Slovak, Polish, etc...mostly all Catholic) who had moved to Cleveland.

That family rivalry helps make the Steelers/Browns games interesting.

I grew up in a county on the Ohio/PA border and you are correct—there are a lot of folks in eastern Ohio with Pittsburgh roots and the Browns/Steelers rivalry goes deep as the two fanbases live intermingled side by side.

(12-15-2021 03:23 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 12:55 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 12:14 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 09:52 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  But there is something about Cincinnati. Mount Adams, Over-The-Rhine, the chili, the Ohio River with its bridges, the Reds from the 1970s, UC hoops vs. Memphis and Louisville in the 1980s and 90s, ... I will always love the Queen City.

Finish the subway and I'd have some affection for Cincinnati. Right now I view it as a has-been city with many unjustified fan boys that has made terrible infrastructure decisions (can you tell that I live in Columbus?). Don't get me started on the streetcar!

Worth noting, and particularly since you live in Columbus: Both Cincinnati and Columbus offer outstanding zoos.

Yeah but our residents didn't kill Harambe HEY-YO!

Unfortunately our zoo is undergoing some controversy. Apparently it had some connection to the illegal big cat trade. I haven't been following the issue very closely.

I did not know about the big cat trade controversy. That would not be good if the zoo purchased some cats in violation of AZA requirements. It could lose its membership.

The Harembe tragedy ... painful. Five-year anniversary was this past May 28.

I've visited 38 zoos (have kept a list, with a Top 8 ranking). My brother has likely seen 45 (including some in Europe).

Sadly, I've never been to the Columbus Zoo.

My "Power Eight"

1. Lincoln Park Zoo (Chicago) (have visited at least 20 times when I lived in Chicago; great memories)

2. Memphis Zoo (have visited at least eight times and love the setting)

3. New York Zoo (Bronx Zoo) (probably the most impressive zoo I’ve ever experienced)

4. Cincinnati Zoo (have visited three times; easy to experience and enjoy)

5. San Diego Zoo (only one visit; big league but not to the extent I was anticipating)

6. St. Louis Zoo (free, comprehensive and easy to enjoy; have visited only once)

7. Brookfield Zoo (Chicago) (have visited three times)

8. National Zoo (D.C.) (very green and shady; have visited only once)

(12-15-2021 09:21 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 03:23 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 12:55 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 12:14 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 09:52 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  But there is something about Cincinnati. Mount Adams, Over-The-Rhine, the chili, the Ohio River with its bridges, the Reds from the 1970s, UC hoops vs. Memphis and Louisville in the 1980s and 90s, ... I will always love the Queen City.

Finish the subway and I'd have some affection for Cincinnati. Right now I view it as a has-been city with many unjustified fan boys that has made terrible infrastructure decisions (can you tell that I live in Columbus?). Don't get me started on the streetcar!

Worth noting, and particularly since you live in Columbus: Both Cincinnati and Columbus offer outstanding zoos.

Yeah but our residents didn't kill Harambe HEY-YO!

Unfortunately our zoo is undergoing some controversy. Apparently it had some connection to the illegal big cat trade. I haven't been following the issue very closely.

I did not know about the big cat trade controversy. That would not be good if the zoo purchased some cats in violation of AZA requirements. It could lose its membership.

The Harembe tragedy ... painful. Five-year anniversary was this past May 28.

I've visited 38 zoos (have kept a list, with a Top 8 ranking). My brother has likely seen 45 (including some in Europe).

Sadly, I've never been to the Columbus Zoo.

My "Power Eight"

1. Lincoln Park Zoo (Chicago) (have visited at least 20 times when I lived in Chicago; great memories)

2. Memphis Zoo (have visited at least eight times and love the setting)

3. New York Zoo (Bronx Zoo) (probably the most impressive zoo I’ve ever experienced)

4. Cincinnati Zoo (have visited three times; easy to experience and enjoy)

5. San Diego Zoo (only one visit; big league but not to the extent I was anticipating)

6. St. Louis Zoo (free, comprehensive and easy to enjoy; have visited only once)

7. Brookfield Zoo (Chicago) (have visited three times)

8. National Zoo (D.C.) (very green and shady; have visited only once)

If you haven't been, you should go to the Colorado Springs zoo. its small, but has the best giraffe collection of any zoo I've seen.

(12-15-2021 09:21 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 03:23 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 12:55 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 12:14 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(12-13-2021 09:52 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  But there is something about Cincinnati. Mount Adams, Over-The-Rhine, the chili, the Ohio River with its bridges, the Reds from the 1970s, UC hoops vs. Memphis and Louisville in the 1980s and 90s, ... I will always love the Queen City.

Finish the subway and I'd have some affection for Cincinnati. Right now I view it as a has-been city with many unjustified fan boys that has made terrible infrastructure decisions (can you tell that I live in Columbus?). Don't get me started on the streetcar!

Worth noting, and particularly since you live in Columbus: Both Cincinnati and Columbus offer outstanding zoos.

Yeah but our residents didn't kill Harambe HEY-YO!

Unfortunately our zoo is undergoing some controversy. Apparently it had some connection to the illegal big cat trade. I haven't been following the issue very closely.

I did not know about the big cat trade controversy. That would not be good if the zoo purchased some cats in violation of AZA requirements. It could lose its membership.

The Harembe tragedy ... painful. Five-year anniversary was this past May 28.

I've visited 38 zoos (have kept a list, with a Top 8 ranking). My brother has likely seen 45 (including some in Europe).

Sadly, I've never been to the Columbus Zoo.

My "Power Eight"

1. Lincoln Park Zoo (Chicago) (have visited at least 20 times when I lived in Chicago; great memories)

2. Memphis Zoo (have visited at least eight times and love the setting)

3. New York Zoo (Bronx Zoo) (probably the most impressive zoo I’ve ever experienced)

4. Cincinnati Zoo (have visited three times; easy to experience and enjoy)

5. San Diego Zoo (only one visit; big league but not to the extent I was anticipating)

6. St. Louis Zoo (free, comprehensive and easy to enjoy; have visited only once)

7. Brookfield Zoo (Chicago) (have visited three times)

8. National Zoo (D.C.) (very green and shady; have visited only once)

My one complaint about the Columbus Zoo is that everything is spread out. At the Cincinnati Zoo, you walk around and look at animals—in Columbus, you have to walk around to get to the places you can see the animals. It’s a little too much to do in 1 day with two little ones.

The Cincinnati Zoo is the second-oldest zoo in the country. It’s got a different feel than the Columbus Zoo, but they are both nice.

Back to the topic (this was a thread about UC v Pitt, not the city of Cincinnati v Columbus), I know the Pitt posters in this thread will disagree but UC and Pitt as adversaries made a lot of sense. The two cities are relatively close in proximity, and there is already all rivalries between the cities professional teams. UC v Pitt was getting interesting in the old Big East before the raid. It’s a shame the schools do not play (there is a series coming up in 2023 and 2025 but I do not know if it is going forward).

(12-15-2021 12:22 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The Cincinnati Zoo is the second-oldest zoo in the country. It’s got a different feel than the Columbus Zoo, but they are both nice.

Back to the topic (this was a thread about UC v Pitt, not the city of Cincinnati v Columbus), I know the Pitt posters in this thread will disagree but UC and Pitt as adversaries made a lot of sense. The two cities are relatively close in proximity, and there is already all rivalries between the cities professional teams. UC v Pitt was getting interesting in the old Big East before the raid. It’s a shame the schools do not play (there is a series coming up in 2023 and 2025 but I do not know if it is going forward).

It definitely was and I think had realignment not occurred, Cincinnati would have some great Big East rivalries still going: Louisville, WVU, and Pitt.

In a lot of ways, I’m still lamenting that the ACC wasn’t proactive and the first to jump to 16 by merging with most of Big East football.

(12-15-2021 10:43 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 09:21 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 03:23 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 12:55 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 12:14 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  Finish the subway and I'd have some affection for Cincinnati. Right now I view it as a has-been city with many unjustified fan boys that has made terrible infrastructure decisions (can you tell that I live in Columbus?). Don't get me started on the streetcar!

Worth noting, and particularly since you live in Columbus: Both Cincinnati and Columbus offer outstanding zoos.

Yeah but our residents didn't kill Harambe HEY-YO!

Unfortunately our zoo is undergoing some controversy. Apparently it had some connection to the illegal big cat trade. I haven't been following the issue very closely.

I did not know about the big cat trade controversy. That would not be good if the zoo purchased some cats in violation of AZA requirements. It could lose its membership.

The Harembe tragedy ... painful. Five-year anniversary was this past May 28.

I've visited 38 zoos (have kept a list, with a Top 8 ranking). My brother has likely seen 45 (including some in Europe).

Sadly, I've never been to the Columbus Zoo.

My "Power Eight"

1. Lincoln Park Zoo (Chicago) (have visited at least 20 times when I lived in Chicago; great memories)

2. Memphis Zoo (have visited at least eight times and love the setting)

3. New York Zoo (Bronx Zoo) (probably the most impressive zoo I’ve ever experienced)

4. Cincinnati Zoo (have visited three times; easy to experience and enjoy)

5. San Diego Zoo (only one visit; big league but not to the extent I was anticipating)

6. St. Louis Zoo (free, comprehensive and easy to enjoy; have visited only once)

7. Brookfield Zoo (Chicago) (have visited three times)

8. National Zoo (D.C.) (very green and shady; have visited only once)

If you haven't been, you should go to the Colorado Springs zoo. its small, but has the best giraffe collection of any zoo I've seen.

I would enjoy that and I did not know.

The Nashville Zoo had a baby giraffe this past spring and was about to "introduce" the little one to the public — which would have generated serious tix sales revenues. Sadly, the mother giraffe accidentally stepped on the baby, killing it. A major blow to our zoo.

(12-15-2021 12:03 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 09:21 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 03:23 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 12:55 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-14-2021 12:14 AM)OhioBoilermaker Wrote:  Finish the subway and I'd have some affection for Cincinnati. Right now I view it as a has-been city with many unjustified fan boys that has made terrible infrastructure decisions (can you tell that I live in Columbus?). Don't get me started on the streetcar!

Worth noting, and particularly since you live in Columbus: Both Cincinnati and Columbus offer outstanding zoos.

Yeah but our residents didn't kill Harambe HEY-YO!

Unfortunately our zoo is undergoing some controversy. Apparently it had some connection to the illegal big cat trade. I haven't been following the issue very closely.

I did not know about the big cat trade controversy. That would not be good if the zoo purchased some cats in violation of AZA requirements. It could lose its membership.

The Harembe tragedy ... painful. Five-year anniversary was this past May 28.

I've visited 38 zoos (have kept a list, with a Top 8 ranking). My brother has likely seen 45 (including some in Europe).

Sadly, I've never been to the Columbus Zoo.

My "Power Eight"

1. Lincoln Park Zoo (Chicago) (have visited at least 20 times when I lived in Chicago; great memories)

2. Memphis Zoo (have visited at least eight times and love the setting)

3. New York Zoo (Bronx Zoo) (probably the most impressive zoo I’ve ever experienced)

4. Cincinnati Zoo (have visited three times; easy to experience and enjoy)

5. San Diego Zoo (only one visit; big league but not to the extent I was anticipating)

6. St. Louis Zoo (free, comprehensive and easy to enjoy; have visited only once)

7. Brookfield Zoo (Chicago) (have visited three times)

8. National Zoo (D.C.) (very green and shady; have visited only once)

My one complaint about the Columbus Zoo is that everything is spread out. At the Cincinnati Zoo, you walk around and look at animals—in Columbus, you have to walk around to get to the places you can see the animals. It’s a little too much to do in 1 day with two little ones.

The "compactness" is one of many elements I like about the Cincinnati Zoo.

(12-15-2021 01:24 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-15-2021 12:22 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The Cincinnati Zoo is the second-oldest zoo in the country. It’s got a different feel than the Columbus Zoo, but they are both nice.

Back to the topic (this was a thread about UC v Pitt, not the city of Cincinnati v Columbus), I know the Pitt posters in this thread will disagree but UC and Pitt as adversaries made a lot of sense. The two cities are relatively close in proximity, and there is already all rivalries between the cities professional teams. UC v Pitt was getting interesting in the old Big East before the raid. It’s a shame the schools do not play (there is a series coming up in 2023 and 2025 but I do not know if it is going forward).

It definitely was and I think had realignment not occurred, Cincinnati would have some great Big East rivalries still going: Louisville, WVU, and Pitt.

In a lot of ways, I’m still lamenting that the ACC wasn’t proactive and the first to jump to 16 by merging with most of Big East football.

I'm biased but ...

I would love to see Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Pittsburgh, West Virginia and Virginia Tech in the same league. Lots of history in various leagues with those six.

I would like to see UC and Pitt play each year in both major sports. Simply makes sense.

(12-12-2021 05:50 PM)whittx Wrote:  Penn State had a greater reach in NE PA back in the day, spilling over into the Southern Tier of NY in the 70s and early 80's when local cable and/or decent antenna would allow you to pick up the Scranton stations, including the one that carried the Penn State highlights on Sunday Mornings. Once ESPN and other cable networks replaced these channels and more focus came to the Big East, it became all Syracuse since all of the SUNY's were D3 and Colgate/Cornell were non scholarship 1-AA.

Revisiting this one, yeah, it was almost like once you entered the Philly burbs/media/metro area, including the Lehigh Valley, and crossed over the river into NJ, this was curiously strong Penn State territory. And I don’t recall growing up seeing a similar grip for Pitt (and that’s unfortunate). Especially the Lehigh Valley, which very well could be State College itself given the fanaticism over the years. Even further west in Harrisburg, it was a PSU town far more than Pitt. You can’t say it was the Susquehanna…Steeler country kind of starts popping up even in western Chester County, and definitely in the western parts of Berks and those anthracite areas. Pitt and WVU seemed to have a foothold up in the Poconos, but, Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton media wouldn’t have you believe that.

I remember that PSU “grip” up in the NJ side of the NY metro. This was late 80’s/early 90’s (before PSU officially transitioned into the Big Ten). Even up towards Rutgers area (Raritan/Piscataway), PSU was a big deal up there (as was Miami). I don’t think Pitt had the same thing going for them.

I really wish there was more of a thing where I grew up in Bucks County. I was that nosy kid who loved looking at the glass door going into the counselor’s office at high school listing where the seniors were going to college. I recall more kids going to Carnegie Mellon out there rather than Pitt. I knew a few did, but it really didn’t pull the same way as Temple, Penn State, or even Drexel, Lehigh, and other schools…though it pulled more than Delaware or Rutgers, though.