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(12-02-2021 05:29 AM)doss2 Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 11:06 PM)eroc Wrote:  I hope Deshawn Pace hangs these lists up in his locker room. No way he's not at least third team

On the AAC site there was 1st, 2nd and HM. Thus no 3rd team. Hard to be on a team that does not exist.

Now logically HM is like #3 so I guess Pace made that designation.

ALL-CONFERENCE FIRST TEAM
Pos. Player School Cl. Ht. Wt. Hometown
WR Nathaniel Dell Houston So. 5-10 155 Daytona Beach, Fla.
WR Calvin Austin III * 1 Memphis Sr. 5-9 162 Memphis, Tenn.
WR Danny Gray SMU Sr. 6-2 199 Dallas, Texas
OT Dylan O’Quinn Cincinnati Jr. 6-4 305 Toledo, Ohio
OT Patrick Paul Houston RFr. 6-7 315 Houston, Texas
OG Lorenz Metz Cincinnati Jr. 6-9 326 Neuötting, Germany
OG Dylan Parham H Memphis Sr. 6-3 285 Carrollton, Ga.
C Jake Renfro Cincinnati So. 6-3 310 Mokena, Ill.
TE Sean Dykes H Memphis Gr. 6-2 224 Houston, Texas
QB Desmond Ridder 1 Cincinnati Sr. 6-4 215 Louisville, Ky.
RB Jerome Ford Cincinnati Jr. 5-11 200 Tampa, Fla.
RB Keaton Mitchell East Carolina Fr. 5-9 188 McDonough, Ga.
DL Big Kat Bryant UCF Sr. 6-5 245 Cordele, Ga.
DL Curtis Brooks Cincinnati Gr. 6-2 285 Danville, Va.
DL Myjai Sanders * 1 Cincinnati Sr. 6-5 258 Jacksonville, Fla.
DL David Anenih Houston Sr. 6-3 249 Arlington, Texas
DL Logan Hall Houston Jr. 6-6 275 Belton, Texas
LB Darrian Beavers 2 Cincinnati Gr. 6-4 255 Cincinnati, Ohio
LB Joel Dublanko Cincinnati Gr. 6-3 240 Aberdeen, Wash.
LB JJ Russell Memphis Gr. 6-1 225 Grenada, Miss.
LB Diego Fagot 1 2 Navy Sr. 6-3 240 Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
CB Ahmad Gardner * 1 1 Cincinnati Jr. 6-2 188 Detroit, Mich.
CB Coby Bryant 1 Cincinnati Sr. 6-1 198 Cleveland, Ohio
S Bryan Cook Cincinnati Sr. 6-1 210 Cincinnati, Ohio
S Gervarrius Owens Houston Jr. 6-0 200 Moore, Okla.
K Owen Daffer East Carolina RFr. 5-10 173 Wilmington, N.C.
P Ryan Wright 1 Tulane Sr. 6-3 245 San Ramon, Calif.
RS Marcus Jones 1 Houston Sr. 5-8 185 Enterprise, Ala.
* unanimous selection




ALL-CONFERENCE SECOND TEAM
Pos. Player School Cl. Ht. Wt. Hometown
WR Ryan O’Keefe UCF Jr. 5-10 175 Austin, Texas
WR Alec Pierce Cincinnati Sr. 6-3 213 Glen Ellyn, Ill.
WR Tyler Snead 2 East Carolina So. 5-7 174 Raleigh, N.C.
OT Alan Ali SMU Sr. 6-5 309 Fort Worth, Texas
OT Tyler Smith 1 Tulsa So. 6-6 332 Fort Worth, Texas
OG Lokahi Pauole H UCF Jr. 6-4 305 Kapolei, Hawaii
OG Demetris Harris South Florida Sr. 6-3 309 Jacksonville, Fla.
OG Hayden Howerton 2 SMU Sr. 6-4 309 Katy, Texas
C Kody Russey Houston Sr. 6-2 292 Burleson, Texas
TE Grant Calcaterra SMU Sr. 6-5 247 Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif.
QB Tanner Mordecai SMU Jr. 6-3 218 Waco, Texas
RB Alton McCaskill Houston Fr. 6-1 210 Conroe, Texas
RB Ulysses Bentley IV 1 SMU So. 5-11 197 Houston, Texas
DL John Tate IV Memphis Gr. 6-4 295 Pine Bluff, Ark.
DL Derek Parish Houston Jr. 6-2 245 Pearland, Texas
DL Elijah Chatman SMU Jr. 6-1 289 Shreveport, La.
DL Jaxon Player 1 Tulsa Sr. 6-0 294 Waco, Texas
LB Bruce Bivens East Carolina Sr. 6-0 231 Houston, Texas
LB Donavan Mutin Houston Jr. 6-0 230 Spring, Texas
LB Antonio Grier 2 South Florida Sr. 6-1 213 Atlanta, Ga.
LB Delano Robinson SMU Sr. 6-2 244 Denton, Texas
CB Ja’Quan McMillian 2 East Carolina So. 5-10 183 Winston-Salem, N.C.
CB Marcus Jones Houston Sr. 5-8 185 Enterprise, Ala.
S Divaad Wilson UCF Jr. 6-0 195 Miami, Fla.
S Quindell Johnson 2 Memphis Jr. 6-1 195 New Orleans, La.
K Bijan Nichols Navy Jr. 6-1 211 Heath, Texas
P Jonn Young East Carolina Sr. 6-0 209 Advance, N.C.
RS Bryan Massey SMU So. 5-11 198 Katy, Texas

ALL-CONFERENCE HONORABLE MENTION
Pos. Player School Cl. Ht. Wt. Hometown
LB Tatum Bethune UCF Jr. 6-1 225 Miami, Fla.
OG Cole Schneider 1 1 2 UCF Sr. 6-4 315 Fort Myers, Fla.
OT Marcus Tatum UCF Sr. 6-6 300 Daytona Beach, Fla.
DL Marcus Brown 2 Cincinnati Gr. 6-2 297 Naples, Fla.
LB Deshawn Pace Cincinnati So. 6-2 218 Cincinnati, Ohio
TE Josh Whyle Cincinnati Jr. 6-6 245 Cincinnati, Ohio
P Laine Wilkins Houston Fr. 6-2 210 Perth, Australia
RB Jaren Mangham South Florida Jr. 6-2 221 Detroit, Mich.
K Spenser Shrader South Florida Jr. 6-2 186 Lithia, Fla.
WR Rashee Rice SMU Jr. 6-3 206 North Richland Hills, Texas
C C.J. Perez Temple Gr. 6-2 295 Shawnee, Kan.
C Sincere Haynesworth 2 Tulane So. 6-1 305 Pearland, Texas
LB Dorian Williams 2 Tulane So. 6-2 225 Indian Land, S.C.
S Macon Clark Tulane Jr. 6-0 190 St. Rose, La.
OT Chris Paul Tulsa Sr. 6-4 324 Houston, Texas
LB Justin Wright Tulsa Jr. 6-2 239 Abilene, Texas

1 2 H indicates previous selections to the first, second or honorable mention all-conference teams

Thought I saw 3rd team on Twitter....

(12-02-2021 12:46 AM)Lurkercat Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 11:06 PM)eroc Wrote:  I hope Deshawn Pace hangs these lists up in his locker room. No way he's not at least third team

Hasn't he been splitting snaps with Van Fossen? That had to kill his chances with this. I also can't believe Metz ended up on the first team , he isn't even starting anymore lol. Good for him

He was although I thought he got the bulk of them when he was healthy and he also made a lot of big plays. In any case as Doss pointed out in the post below I erred thinking there was a 3rd team.

Conner.
Barwin.

You can't have a conversation about "Best Defensive Player Ever" without Conner Barwin being in the mix.

(12-02-2021 08:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Conner.
Barwin.

You can't have a conversation about "Best Defensive Player Ever" without Conner Barwin being in the mix.

I LOVE conner barwin, but he played one season on defense

UC fans have forgotten what it is like to have a pass defense without Sauce Gardiner, and they are going to be dismayed next year to witness a normal pass defense like everyone else in college football has.

Sauce is the best we have seen come through UC by a long shot.

(12-02-2021 09:27 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  UC fans have forgotten what it is like to have a pass defense without Sauce Gardiner, and they are going to be dismayed next year to witness a normal pass defense life everyone else in college football has.

Sauce is the best we have seen come through UC by a long shot.

Someone can pull the numbers but I think he's given up right around 100 yards total in pass defense for the season. The way he shuts down an entire side of the field is insane. But he somehow combines it with great instincts on when to come off of his guy an make a play (without making mistake and getting beat by doing so).

(12-02-2021 09:29 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 09:27 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  UC fans have forgotten what it is like to have a pass defense without Sauce Gardiner, and they are going to be dismayed next year to witness a normal pass defense life everyone else in college football has.

Sauce is the best we have seen come through UC by a long shot.

Someone can pull the numbers but I think he's given up right around 100 yards total in pass defense for the season. The way he shuts down an entire side of the field is insane. But he somehow combines it with great instincts on when to come off of his guy an make a play (without making mistake and getting beat by doing so).

Yeah...the amount of people who are going to be pulling their hair out about the pass defense next year is going to be incredible, when really, we will still probably be "good" at worst.

(12-02-2021 09:51 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Yeah...the amount of people who are going to be pulling their hair out about the pass defense next year is going to be incredible, when really, we will still probably be "good" at worst.

I mean we're going to have a lot of talent as that's always been a recruiting priority for us but experience matters too and Arquon is the only returner among our starters. Also our best pass rusher is leaving too so we could go from one of the top pass defenses in the country to average.

(12-02-2021 09:51 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 09:29 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 09:27 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  UC fans have forgotten what it is like to have a pass defense without Sauce Gardiner, and they are going to be dismayed next year to witness a normal pass defense life everyone else in college football has.

Sauce is the best we have seen come through UC by a long shot.

Someone can pull the numbers but I think he's given up right around 100 yards total in pass defense for the season. The way he shuts down an entire side of the field is insane. But he somehow combines it with great instincts on when to come off of his guy an make a play (without making mistake and getting beat by doing so).

Yeah...the amount of people who are going to be pulling their hair out about the pass defense next year is going to be incredible, when really, we will still probably be "good" at worst.

I'll probably be the biggest perp. I already complain about Bryant, from time to time. I know better, but I still do it. Not loud enough for people to notice though.

(12-02-2021 10:13 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 09:51 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  Yeah...the amount of people who are going to be pulling their hair out about the pass defense next year is going to be incredible, when really, we will still probably be "good" at worst.

I mean we're going to have a lot of talent as that's always been a recruiting priority for us but experience matters too and Arquon is the only returner among our starters. Also our best pass rusher is leaving too so we could go from one of the top pass defenses in the country to average.

...which makes a victory Saturday and a CFP bid all that much more critical for this talented and experienced defense to make some college football history.

(12-02-2021 10:14 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 09:51 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 09:29 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 09:27 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  UC fans have forgotten what it is like to have a pass defense without Sauce Gardiner, and they are going to be dismayed next year to witness a normal pass defense life everyone else in college football has.

Sauce is the best we have seen come through UC by a long shot.

Someone can pull the numbers but I think he's given up right around 100 yards total in pass defense for the season. The way he shuts down an entire side of the field is insane. But he somehow combines it with great instincts on when to come off of his guy an make a play (without making mistake and getting beat by doing so).

Yeah...the amount of people who are going to be pulling their hair out about the pass defense next year is going to be incredible, when really, we will still probably be "good" at worst.

I'll probably be the biggest perp. I already complain about Bryant, from time to time. I know better, but I still do it. Not loud enough for people to notice though.

I was always a bit more frustrated with the scheme there than the player...having him play so far off in most situations is just baffling to me.

But yes, we will likely return Bush...but it'll be a brand new crew outside of that. Threats is the real deal, but he'll only be a true Sophomore at safety, I think JQ Hardaway (who just got his 4th star on 247) is going to be a guy who could come in and play as a freshman like Sauce did (but I'm nowhere close to saying it'll be the same result). We've got two highly regarded guys in Sammy Anderson and Justin Harris who could genuinely be solid guys who just didn't have a way into the game...but we've seen the 2's get beat up a bit on the outsides when they've been put in games this year too. I'd imagine we can still end up with a Top 30-ish defense next year, but we could also end up looking like the 2009 defense real quick once they lost all of the wreckers in the 07-08 years.

(12-02-2021 08:51 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 08:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Conner.
Barwin.

You can't have a conversation about "Best Defensive Player Ever" without Conner Barwin being in the mix.

I LOVE conner barwin, but he played one season on defense

Lotta candidates for UC's Best Defensive Player Ever depending upon how you look at it. But aside from Sauce, I think I'm going to go with someone nobody's mentioned: Terrill Byrd.

(12-02-2021 12:07 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 08:51 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 08:40 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Conner.
Barwin.

You can't have a conversation about "Best Defensive Player Ever" without Conner Barwin being in the mix.

I LOVE conner barwin, but he played one season on defense

Lotta candidates for UC's Best Defensive Player Ever depending upon how you look at it. But aside from Sauce, I think I'm going to go with someone nobody's mentioned: Terrill Byrd.

Byrd out of Colerain was a beast. Too short for the pros. Met his Mom and Uncle at a BBQ joint in Birmingham. Good family. I remember asking the uncle about Mister Simpson. His reply was "That boy has problems!" Simpson had tons of talent, Sad.

These are all great players!

(12-02-2021 10:42 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 10:14 AM)Z-Fly Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 09:51 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 09:29 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(12-02-2021 09:27 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  UC fans have forgotten what it is like to have a pass defense without Sauce Gardiner, and they are going to be dismayed next year to witness a normal pass defense life everyone else in college football has.

Sauce is the best we have seen come through UC by a long shot.

Someone can pull the numbers but I think he's given up right around 100 yards total in pass defense for the season. The way he shuts down an entire side of the field is insane. But he somehow combines it with great instincts on when to come off of his guy an make a play (without making mistake and getting beat by doing so).

Yeah...the amount of people who are going to be pulling their hair out about the pass defense next year is going to be incredible, when really, we will still probably be "good" at worst.

I'll probably be the biggest perp. I already complain about Bryant, from time to time. I know better, but I still do it. Not loud enough for people to notice though.

I was always a bit more frustrated with the scheme there than the player...having him play so far off in most situations is just baffling to me.

But yes, we will likely return Bush...but it'll be a brand new crew outside of that. Threats is the real deal, but he'll only be a true Sophomore at safety, I think JQ Hardaway (who just got his 4th star on 247) is going to be a guy who could come in and play as a freshman like Sauce did (but I'm nowhere close to saying it'll be the same result). We've got two highly regarded guys in Sammy Anderson and Justin Harris who could genuinely be solid guys who just didn't have a way into the game...but we've seen the 2's get beat up a bit on the outsides when they've been put in games this year too. I'd imagine we can still end up with a Top 30-ish defense next year, but we could also end up looking like the 2009 defense real quick once they lost all of the wreckers in the 07-08 years.

IMO these two things are related. Anytime UC gets a double digit lead it seems they go to a 3 man rush, prevent style scheme. No disrespect but our LBs were not great in downfield coverage with no pressure on the QB (most aren't) which left our corners and safeties to be eaten up. No defensive back is going to be able to consistently stay with receivers for 4+ seconds. It just doesn't happen. Address the scheme and I am hopefully our players look much better than they do at times this year

Josh Whyle Honorable mention?