(12-01-2021 02:49 AM)otown Wrote:  Wow, according to some, the Big 12 won't get any bowls LOL. People, the alliance already proposes the Big 12 has an autobid for the playoffs. There is plenty of brand value for the Big 12 conference. Most are all current P5 teams with decent sized fan bases that are usually ranked pretty well. In fact, the new Big 12 computer ranking average is actually the 3rd best conference. Also, people need to understand that bowls would rather NOT have a team from the market they are in. They want people coming to town spending money that do not live there. Making comments like Memphis delivering for the Liberty or UCF delivering for Orlando is asinine. Not how bowl boards see things.

That's an exaggeration of what people are saying, LOL. Obviously, the New Big 12 will have bowl games. What the NB12 will lack is blue-blood brand value, which is the best kind, the kind that gets top TV deals and the like.

As for bowls, the typical formula for success is one local anchor and then one far-away visitor. The local anchor ensures lots of tickets are sold, the far-away visitor brings in that out of town money. So yes, bowls do like teams from the market they are in. Of course, that doesn't mean that a specific school can "deliver" a bowl, but the basic model is correct.

Finally, past experience doesn't suggest that results on the field mean that much. E.g., from 2005-2011, the Big East was very much a "Power" performer on the field. In 2009, the Big East was actually the #2 football conference, behind only the SEC. And yet, it never had the same kind of TV deals as the other P-leagues had, had inferior bowl ties, and there were constant claims in the media and among CFB fans that the Big East wasn't a 'real' AQ league, didn't deserve that status, and should be dropped from AQ. The only reason we remained AQ was that all the contracts had been signed. And that was because we lacked blue-blood brands - like the New Big 12 will lack them too.

(12-01-2021 02:49 AM)otown Wrote:  Wow, according to some, the Big 12 won't get any bowls LOL.

Come on, no one is saying that. I said the Big 12 may lose its Alamo tie-in to the SEC, and that's about it. That is to be expected. The SEC is now even more attractive to bowls, and the Big 12 a bit less so. The other three P5's are unchanged.

I also said the Big 12 would stand to gain a net of 1-2 new bowl affiliations since they're growing from 10 to 12. I suspect BYU's current relationships with Bowl games may be rolled in.

Do you honestly think the Big 12 would take a hit in media payouts after losing Texas and OU, but the bowl lineup won't change at all? I don't think at all that everything will fall apart, but losing two mega brand names has consequences to some extent.

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I know this discussion has evolved into the CFP and P5 bowl games, but I would love to see what people think may happen with G5 bowl games.

The MAC and MW should see minimal changes, I would think, although I think the MW may suffer some if the Pac-12 starts getting more Alliance bowl games and fewer games against MW opponents.

C-USA has some backup tie-ins against P5's. I don't see how that continues long term. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if C-USA's new bowl lineup is entirely just a pool of ESPN-owned bowl games. It's just hard to see such a weakened, geographically disparate conference having any single bowl game say, "Sign me up for that!"

Like with the Big 12, but maybe to an even greater extent, the AAC's appeal to bowl games has to be taking a bit of a hit. They lost their three biggest brands and most successful football programs. I would be amazed if they don't lose some of their games against P5 schools. Like others have said, some of the top AAC bowl games may flip to the Big 12. Like I am with the idea of the Big 12's Alamo tie-in flipping to the SEC, I am fairly confident C-USA's affiliation with the New Orleans Bowl will flip to the AAC. That only makes sense, with Tulane, UAB, Memphis, Rice, UTSA, SMU, and UNT within reasonable driving distance. Going from 11 ton14 members, the total number of affiliations probably increases by one.

The Sun Belt currently has five bowl affiliations for ten programs. That should increase to seven for 14 programs.... Since the SB sustained zero losses and gained four schools, I think the SB may gain some prestige (relatively speaking, we're talking the G5 world here) in bowl games. It only makes sense, with the SB gaining ground and the AAC losing ground, that the AAC could lose an affiliation to the SB. My hope is for the AAC's Military Bowl affiliation vs. the ACC to flip to the SB, with the SB using nearby Marshall, JMU, and ODU as a selling point, and App State and Coastal not terribly far either. But with the game held in AAC member Navy's stadium, I think this is a longshot. Alternatively, an Independence Bowl tie-in against the Big 12 (or SEC???) seems possible.

...

Having said what I did about Pac-12 bowl games and the Alliance, this may sound contradictory, but I think the SEC is going to be far from shut out of bowl games (and regular season nonconference games) against other P5's. B1G vs. SEC games are so common because both leagues have the most big brands, bring in big TV audiences, and travel very well.

(11-30-2021 06:53 PM)schmolik Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 06:49 PM)YNot Wrote:  Won't the B12 just take the AAC's best bowl games to replace those taken away by the SEC?

CFP
Texas v. SEC
Liberty v. SEC
Guaranteed Rate v. PAC/B1G
*Birmingham v. SEC
*Gasparilla v. ACC/SEC
*Armed Forces/First Responder v. MWC, AAC, Sun Belt

I'd guess the AAC keeps the Liberty because of Memphis.

The AAC doesn't have the Liberty Bowl. It is a B-12 / SEC Bowl.

The AAC has a secondary shot though if neither the B-12 nor
the SEC have enough bowl eligible teams to fill their slot in this
bowl.

(11-30-2021 09:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 08:53 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  Want to see the ACC get a better opponent for the Fenway Bowl

I doubt the Fenway Bowl makes it into the next bowl cycle. Actually I'm surprised the ACC signed on in the first place.

Boston College, Syracuse, and Pitt need a bowl if they are eligible. BC will play there this year as a "home" game. They don 'travel well any way.

(12-01-2021 09:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 07:18 PM)AuzGrams Wrote:  Big 12 doesn’t have a brand issue. It has a blue blood brand issue.

Well yeah, that's basically what I meant. That's what matters too, because it is the blue bloods that drive conference value. The B1G makes $50m a year because of Ohio State, Michigan and Penn State, not because of Purdue, Indiana and Northwestern, even though the latter three do have a modicum of brand value.

Let's put it another way. Is there a school in the New Big 12 that could have convinced Lincoln Riley to leave Oklahoma for them or Brian Kelly to leave Notre Dame for them? Is there a school in the New Big 12 that has either USC or Notre Dame or LSU on their future schedules? BYU is playing Notre Dame next season in Las Vegas, but after 2022 there is nothing.

(11-30-2021 09:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 08:53 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  Want to see the ACC get a better opponent for the Fenway Bowl

I doubt the Fenway Bowl makes it into the next bowl cycle. Actually I'm surprised the ACC signed on in the first place.

Why do you say that? It’s a good home for BC, there’s northern schools in Pitt and Syracuse, it’s an accessible city for many to get to (compared to something like El Paso), it’s at a unique downtown stadium, and its a big alumni location for schools like Duke, UVA, etc. Seems like a great fit.

(12-01-2021 09:44 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  I know this discussion has evolved into the CFP and P5 bowl games, but I would love to see what people think may happen with G5 bowl games.

The MAC and MW should see minimal changes, I would think, although I think the MW may suffer some if the Pac-12 starts getting more Alliance bowl games and fewer games against MW opponents.

C-USA has some backup tie-ins against P5's. I don't see how that continues long term. I wouldn't be terribly surprised if C-USA's new bowl lineup is entirely just a pool of ESPN-owned bowl games. It's just hard to see such a weakened, geographically disparate conference having any single bowl game say, "Sign me up for that!"

Like with the Big 12, but maybe to an even greater extent, the AAC's appeal to bowl games has to be taking a bit of a hit. They lost their three biggest brands and most successful football programs. I would be amazed if they don't lose some of their games against P5 schools. Like others have said, some of the top AAC bowl games may flip to the Big 12. Like I am with the idea of the Big 12's Alamo tie-in flipping to the SEC, I am fairly confident C-USA's affiliation with the New Orleans Bowl will flip to the AAC. That only makes sense, with Tulane, UAB, Memphis, Rice, UTSA, SMU, and UNT within reasonable driving distance. Going from 11 ton14 members, the total number of affiliations probably increases by one.

The Sun Belt currently has five bowl affiliations for ten programs. That should increase to seven for 14 programs.... Since the SB sustained zero losses and gained four schools, I think the SB may gain some prestige (relatively speaking, we're talking the G5 world here) in bowl games. It only makes sense, with the SB gaining ground and the AAC losing ground, that the AAC could lose an affiliation to the SB. My hope is for the AAC's Military Bowl affiliation vs. the ACC to flip to the SB, with the SB using nearby Marshall, JMU, and ODU as a selling point, and App State and Coastal not terribly far either. But with the game held in AAC member Navy's stadium, I think this is a longshot. Alternatively, an Independence Bowl tie-in against the Big 12 (or SEC???) seems possible.

...

Having said what I did about Pac-12 bowl games and the Alliance, this may sound contradictory, but I think the SEC is going to be far from shut out of bowl games (and regular season nonconference games) against other P5's. B1G vs. SEC games are so common because both leagues have the most big brands, bring in big TV audiences, and travel very well.

Everything is going to roll down hill as the SEC and B1G take first cut.

The Independence Bowl might once again be of interest to the SEC since they are going to expand to 16. This is where the XII might be able to come into play.

MWC's relative rise compared to the AAC may have them wanting to court the XII for bowls. I mentioned Arizona but also Hawaii could be attractive with BYU in the membership of the XII.

AAC might want to start a new bowl somewhere that benefits its membership like in Charlotte. They will want more games moving forward with 14 members.

MAC is in a position where they could benefit from the hostilities between the MWC and AAC. Possibly sign with the AAC for a new bowl. CUSA is weak and the MAC could start up a game in Indianapolis with them to play WKU/MT. They want more bowls near the MAC footprint.

SBC should consider starting a bowl in ODU's stadium to play MAC/AAC.

CUSA is an obvious choice for the New Mexico Bowl. MAC would keep a Bahamas arrangement with them.

************

MAC & MWC are best positioned to upgrade in quality relative to what they already have. The SBC has quality at the moment but will need to find 2-3 more games. AAC didn't have a great lineup before but could talk the MAC and SBC into games. CUSA will mostly be leftover slots after New Mexico and Bahamas. They could take over for the MAC in Alabama games.

CUSA bowl lineup?

New Mexico (MWC)
Frisco (AAC)
Camelia (SBC)
Indianapolis (MAC)
Bahamas (MAC)

They are only going to have 4 maybe 5 tie-ins at the most.

(12-01-2021 11:22 AM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 09:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 08:53 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  Want to see the ACC get a better opponent for the Fenway Bowl

I doubt the Fenway Bowl makes it into the next bowl cycle. Actually I'm surprised the ACC signed on in the first place.

Why do you say that? It’s a good home for BC, there’s northern schools in Pitt and Syracuse, it’s an accessible city for many to get to (compared to something like El Paso), it’s at a unique downtown stadium, and its a big alumni location for schools like Duke, UVA, etc. Seems like a great fit.

Yeah, it's great for the ACC. But what other conference is it good for?

(12-01-2021 12:20 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  Everything is going to roll down hill as the SEC and B1G take first cut.

The Independence Bowl might once again be of interest to the SEC since they are going to expand to 16. This is where the XII might be able to come into play.

MWC's relative rise compared to the AAC may have them wanting to court the XII for bowls. I mentioned Arizona but also Hawaii could be attractive with BYU in the membership of the XII.

AAC might want to start a new bowl somewhere that benefits its membership like in Charlotte. They will want more games moving forward with 14 members.

MAC is in a position where they could benefit from the hostilities between the MWC and AAC. Possibly sign with the AAC for a new bowl. CUSA is weak and the MAC could start up a game in Indianapolis with them to play WKU/MT. They want more bowls near the MAC footprint.

SBC should consider starting a bowl in ODU's stadium to play MAC/AAC.

CUSA is an obvious choice for the New Mexico Bowl. MAC would keep a Bahamas arrangement with them.

************

MAC & MWC are best positioned to upgrade in quality relative to what they already have. The SBC has quality at the moment but will need to find 2-3 more games. AAC didn't have a great lineup before but could talk the MAC and SBC into games. CUSA will mostly be leftover slots after New Mexico and Bahamas. They could take over for the MAC in Alabama games.

CUSA bowl lineup?

New Mexico (MWC)
Frisco (AAC)
Camelia (SBC)
Indianapolis (MAC)
Bahamas (MAC)

They are only going to have 4 maybe 5 tie-ins at the most.

So a new bowl game in Norfolk, Charlotte, and Indianapolis? Unless some existing bowl games cease operations, isn't that a lot to add?

(12-01-2021 12:20 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  SBC should consider starting a bowl in ODU's stadium to play MAC/AAC.

I could see a Tidewater Bowl making sense, lots of hotel rooms and things to do in that area. Not horrifically far for the MAC fans to get to either.

I could see for 2023/24 since the Big 12 and SEC add teams. ESPN just do the following with Minimal contract issues sense I believe they own these four bowls. I think the ACC and AAC come out with new tie-ins. I would love to see Boston be both the last bowl tie-in for AAC vs ACC to fill. Allow allow the other g5 conferences have it if no eligible teams from the AAC or ACC.

Birmingham becomes
ACC vs SEC

Dallas becomes
ACC vs B12

Gasparilla
AAC vs SEC

Frisco Bowl
AAC vs ESPN Selected team

Also, did find out the tiers for the ACC

Orange

Tier 1 (Two Game lead rule)
Gator, Cheeze It (Orlando), Holiday and Outback Bowl when available

Tier 2 (Two Game lead rule)
Belk, NY, SUN, Boston, Military

Tier 3 (for any teams that become Bowl Eligible beyond 10)
First Responder, Birmingham & Gasparilla

(12-01-2021 12:44 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 11:22 AM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 09:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 08:53 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  Want to see the ACC get a better opponent for the Fenway Bowl

I doubt the Fenway Bowl makes it into the next bowl cycle. Actually I'm surprised the ACC signed on in the first place.

Why do you say that? It’s a good home for BC, there’s northern schools in Pitt and Syracuse, it’s an accessible city for many to get to (compared to something like El Paso), it’s at a unique downtown stadium, and its a big alumni location for schools like Duke, UVA, etc. Seems like a great fit.

Yeah, it's great for the ACC. But what other conference is it good for?

This, 100%.

Plus, even for the ACC: Yes, it's a northern bowl. But with three schools north of the Potomac, you already have the Pinstripe and Military Bowls for Pitt, BC and Syracuse. Plus (sigh) Detroit.

And "it's not that far from Pittsburgh"--it's about as far from Pittsburgh to Boston as it is to Charlotte or Nashville, where it's warmer. Half the point of going to a bowl game from a northern city is to go somewhere warm. Boston is a wonderful city and all, but it doesn't have Times Square or Broadway, which are major sweeteners for Pinstripe Bowl trips.

(12-01-2021 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 02:49 AM)otown Wrote:  Wow, according to some, the Big 12 won't get any bowls LOL. People, the alliance already proposes the Big 12 has an autobid for the playoffs. There is plenty of brand value for the Big 12 conference. Most are all current P5 teams with decent sized fan bases that are usually ranked pretty well. In fact, the new Big 12 computer ranking average is actually the 3rd best conference. Also, people need to understand that bowls would rather NOT have a team from the market they are in. They want people coming to town spending money that do not live there. Making comments like Memphis delivering for the Liberty or UCF delivering for Orlando is asinine. Not how bowl boards see things.

That's an exaggeration of what people are saying, LOL. Obviously, the New Big 12 will have bowl games. What the NB12 will lack is blue-blood brand value, which is the best kind, the kind that gets top TV deals and the like.

As for bowls, the typical formula for success is one local anchor and then one far-away visitor. The local anchor ensures lots of tickets are sold, the far-away visitor brings in that out of town money. So yes, bowls do like teams from the market they are in. Of course, that doesn't mean that a specific school can "deliver" a bowl, but the basic model is correct.

Finally, past experience doesn't suggest that results on the field mean that much. E.g., from 2005-2011, the Big East was very much a "Power" performer on the field. In 2009, the Big East was actually the #2 football conference, behind only the SEC. And yet, it never had the same kind of TV deals as the other P-leagues had, had inferior bowl ties, and there were constant claims in the media and among CFB fans that the Big East wasn't a 'real' AQ league, didn't deserve that status, and should be dropped from AQ. The only reason we remained AQ was that all the contracts had been signed. And that was because we lacked blue-blood brands - like the New Big 12 will lack them too.

The new CFP structure will either cement the Big 12 as an AQ conference, if the 5+1+6 format is adopted, or essentially become a moot point, if the 6+6 format is adopted.

After the CFP/NY6 bowls, here are the B12 representatives to its bowls for the last 5 years:
Alamo - OSU, TCU, ISU, Texas, Texas, Oklahoma
CheezIt(FL) - WVU, OSU, WVU, ISU, OSU, ISU
Texas - KSU, Texas, Baylor, OSU, TCU, KSU
Liberty - TCU, ISU, OSU, KSU, WVU, WVU
GRB(AZ) - Baylor, KSU, TCU, *Air Force*, Texas Tech

I won't be surprised to see the Alamo Bowl move to the SEC. I will be surprised if the B12 doesn't retain at least 3 of the above bowl games.

EDIT: I will also be surprised if the Big 12 doesn't add at least one of the AAC's bowl affiliations in Birmingham, Gasparilla, Armed Forces, or First Responder bowls.

(12-01-2021 02:03 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 09:10 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 02:49 AM)otown Wrote:  Wow, according to some, the Big 12 won't get any bowls LOL. People, the alliance already proposes the Big 12 has an autobid for the playoffs. There is plenty of brand value for the Big 12 conference. Most are all current P5 teams with decent sized fan bases that are usually ranked pretty well. In fact, the new Big 12 computer ranking average is actually the 3rd best conference. Also, people need to understand that bowls would rather NOT have a team from the market they are in. They want people coming to town spending money that do not live there. Making comments like Memphis delivering for the Liberty or UCF delivering for Orlando is asinine. Not how bowl boards see things.

That's an exaggeration of what people are saying, LOL. Obviously, the New Big 12 will have bowl games. What the NB12 will lack is blue-blood brand value, which is the best kind, the kind that gets top TV deals and the like.

As for bowls, the typical formula for success is one local anchor and then one far-away visitor. The local anchor ensures lots of tickets are sold, the far-away visitor brings in that out of town money. So yes, bowls do like teams from the market they are in. Of course, that doesn't mean that a specific school can "deliver" a bowl, but the basic model is correct.

Finally, past experience doesn't suggest that results on the field mean that much. E.g., from 2005-2011, the Big East was very much a "Power" performer on the field. In 2009, the Big East was actually the #2 football conference, behind only the SEC. And yet, it never had the same kind of TV deals as the other P-leagues had, had inferior bowl ties, and there were constant claims in the media and among CFB fans that the Big East wasn't a 'real' AQ league, didn't deserve that status, and should be dropped from AQ. The only reason we remained AQ was that all the contracts had been signed. And that was because we lacked blue-blood brands - like the New Big 12 will lack them too.

The new CFP structure will either cement the Big 12 as an AQ conference, if the 5+1+6 format is adopted, or essentially become a moot point, if the 6+6 format is adopted.

After the CFP/NY6 bowls, here are the B12 representatives to its bowls for the last 5 years:
Alamo - OSU, TCU, ISU, Texas, Texas, Oklahoma
CheezIt(FL) - WVU, OSU, WVU, ISU, OSU, ISU
Texas - KSU, Texas, Baylor, OSU, TCU, KSU
Liberty - TCU, ISU, OSU, KSU, WVU, WVU
GRB(AZ) - Baylor, KSU, TCU, *Air Force*, Texas Tech

I won't be surprised to see the Alamo Bowl move to the SEC. I will be surprised if the B12 doesn't retain at least 3 of the above bowl games.

EDIT: I will also be surprised if the Big 12 doesn't add at least one of the AAC's bowl affiliations in Birmingham, Gasparilla, Armed Forces, or First Responder bowls.

In the final analysis, I agree with you - of the bowls you list, the Big 12 should retain 3 of those bowls (well, you say 'at least', and I say 'three', LOL).

But obviously, the playoff expansion is the massive wild-card in all this.

Why WOULDN'T the New Big 12 have a great bowl lineup? They've got BYU (huge fan base all over the country), the Texas schools, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, K-State, WVU... all of those schools' fanbases travel well. They all draw 50K-60K every Saturday. Cincy has traveled really well for a "small fanbase" in the past. U of H is in the right location. I don't see them having any issues getting great bowls. I think anybody who thinks otherwise is just showing how little they know about those schools.

(12-01-2021 01:49 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 12:44 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 11:22 AM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 09:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(11-30-2021 08:53 PM)Bluedevil16 Wrote:  Want to see the ACC get a better opponent for the Fenway Bowl

I doubt the Fenway Bowl makes it into the next bowl cycle. Actually I'm surprised the ACC signed on in the first place.

Why do you say that? It’s a good home for BC, there’s northern schools in Pitt and Syracuse, it’s an accessible city for many to get to (compared to something like El Paso), it’s at a unique downtown stadium, and its a big alumni location for schools like Duke, UVA, etc. Seems like a great fit.

Yeah, it's great for the ACC. But what other conference is it good for?

This, 100%.

Plus, even for the ACC: Yes, it's a northern bowl. But with three schools north of the Potomac, you already have the Pinstripe and Military Bowls for Pitt, BC and Syracuse. Plus (sigh) Detroit.

And "it's not that far from Pittsburgh"--it's about as far from Pittsburgh to Boston as it is to Charlotte or Nashville, where it's warmer. Half the point of going to a bowl game from a northern city is to go somewhere warm. Boston is a wonderful city and all, but it doesn't have Times Square or Broadway, which are major sweeteners for Pinstripe Bowl trips.

Not sure if you meant Detroit for ACC. That was eliminated with this Bowl Cycle. Boston was what replaced Detroit as the Bowl ACC bowl team will dread. At least Detroit was domed. Going to Fenway in December holds no appeal to me. Thought Chicago was a bad idea to start, when that fell through. I don't know what Einstein came up with Boston for a bowl game. I rather play a Sun Belt team in Myrtle Beach.

(12-01-2021 02:21 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I don't know what Einstein came up with Boston for a bowl game. I rather play a Sun Belt team in Myrtle Beach.

Speaking of which, I'm curious about the opinion of P5 fans.

If your team finishes 6-6, maybe 7-5, would you rather your team face another 6-6/7-5 P5 team in their bowl game, or a Top 25ish, 10+ win G5 team?

For example, is it more appealing for 6-6 Louisville to play 6-6 Maryland or to play 10-2 Coastal Carolina?

This, by the way, is a debate amongfans of G5 teams who've had a great season, too. Some would want to face 6-6/7-5 P5 school in their bowl game. Others would rather play 10+ game win teams from other G5 leagues.

(12-01-2021 02:40 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(12-01-2021 02:21 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  I don't know what Einstein came up with Boston for a bowl game. I rather play a Sun Belt team in Myrtle Beach.

Speaking of which, I'm curious about the opinion of P5 fans.

If your team finishes 6-6, maybe 7-5, would you rather your team face another 6-6/7-5 P5 team in their bowl game, or a Top 25ish, 10+ win G5 team?

For example, is it more appealing for 6-6 Louisville to play 6-6 Maryland or to play 10-2 Coastal Carolina?

This, by the way, is a debate amongfans of G5 teams who've had a great season, too. Some would want to face 6-6/7-5 P5 school in their bowl game. Others would rather play 10+ game win teams from other G5 leagues.

I'd rather play the P5 with a similar record every time. No offence to the G5 who has had a great season in that scenario, but you get little credit if you win and can be embarrassing if you lose. Playing another P5 is also often either a game against a team you have some history with, or an opportunity to play a totally new opponent which rarely happens in regular season. So either way those kind of games can be fun.

(11-30-2021 06:27 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Another thought could be the "Alliance" possibly going to the bowl games and negotiating together. Could we see more Big Ten/ACC, ACC/Pac 12, Big Ten/Pac 12 bowls in the future? Maybe the Big Ten/ACC can wrestle one of the Big Three Florida bowls (Citrus, Outback, Gator) away from the SEC? Hey, if Florida plays in one of these bowls, it's a disappointment. Then again, when I went to the Citrus Bowl in 1998 when I was a Penn State grad student I thought I was at a UF home game. I doubt any of the Florida bowls will want this year's Florida team but they'll take a 9-3/10-2 UF team every time. I think the consolation in Florida for an ACC/Big Ten would be the Cheez It. I'd like to see Big 10/Pac 12 in the Holiday but Las Vegas every other year works. If the Alliance really flexes its muscles, the Big Ten could take Las Vegas every year and leave the SEC with Charlotte. Ironically Charlotte's payout is higher. https://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bowl...012%2C134.

I have hoped that this would be something the Alliance would eventually address, though my wish would call for the conferences to take ownership of the bowl rights themselves and bid the pairing off to different sites and then spin the tv rights off as part of their media packages.