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Almost all of the bowl contracts were signed by conferences and independents for a six year cycle (2020-2025). But realignment is going to happen before then. The names and numbers of members are going to change.

Will some leagues' Bowl tie ins get dropped, and others added, based on membership composition changes?

A few examples of changes I could see happening:

- Alamo Bowl becomes SEC vs. Pac-12 instead of Big 12 vs. Pac-12.
- New Orleans Bowl becomes Sun Belt vs. AAC instead of Sun Belt vs. C-USA.
- Independence Bowl becomes Big 12 vs. Pac-12 (basically rolling the BYU tie-in into a Big 12 tie-in).

There probably needs to be a lawyer who can figure out how all this may work. (Hi, FranktheTank!)

My endgame is figuring out how the Sun Belt can capitalize on expansion by getting some sort of tie in with a P5 league, but the overall picture is very interesting.

Until we get a handle on Playoff's, bowl games are a who the hell knows.

My guess is most of if not all of the Access bowl games will become playoff games.

Which generally means upper, to mid level games will move a notch up the ladder.
The P5-1 likely will get one of these games, The Big12 likely will lose a couple of them.
The SEC and Big will cherry pick what they want, and the Pac and ACC will take leftovers,
The B12 likely will end up trading down a bit, but still have much better choices than the Gang of schools.

(11-30-2021 09:19 AM)goodknightfl Wrote: [ -> ]Until we get a handle on Playoff's, bowl games are a who the hell knows.

My guess is most of if not all of the Access bowl games will become playoff games.

Which generally means upper, to mid level games will move a notch up the ladder.
The P5-1 likely will get one of these games, The Big12 likely will lose a couple of them.
The SEC and Big will cherry pick what they want, and the Pac and ACC will take leftovers,
The B12 likely will end up trading down a bit, but still have much better choices than the Gang of schools.

I think this would be a giant mistake.

Consider a #5 team that makes it to a CCG who goes on to make the NCG.

This team would play in its CCG (neutral site game #1), the 5 vs. 12 game (neutral site game #2 in a row), the 4 vs. 5 qaurterfinal (neutral site game #3 in a row), the semifinal 1 (or 8 or 9) vs. 5 game (neutral site game #4 in a row), and the NCG (neutral site game #5 in a row). Not to mention any early or mid-season neutral site games.

This would KILL postseason attendance, even for mega sized fanbases like Ohio State or Alabama.

Call me old fashioned, but put these games on campus!

(11-29-2021 08:52 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote: [ -> ]Almost all of the bowl contracts were signed by conferences and independents for a six year cycle (2020-2025). But realignment is going to happen before then. The names and numbers of members are going to change.

Will some leagues' Bowl tie ins get dropped, and others added, based on membership composition changes?

A few examples of changes I could see happening:

- Alamo Bowl becomes SEC vs. Pac-12 instead of Big 12 vs. Pac-12.
- New Orleans Bowl becomes Sun Belt vs. AAC instead of Sun Belt vs. C-USA.
- Independence Bowl becomes Big 12 vs. Pac-12 (basically rolling the BYU tie-in into a Big 12 tie-in).

There probably needs to be a lawyer who can figure out how all this may work. (Hi, FranktheTank!)

My endgame is figuring out how the Sun Belt can capitalize on expansion by getting some sort of tie in with a P5 league, but the overall picture is very interesting.

I think some of the changes you mention are likely, but I don't think they happen until the current six-year contracts run out. So e.g. the Alamo Bowl will remain Big 12 through 2025, even if TX and OU leave earlier.

Breaking contracts can be messy and costly.

(11-30-2021 10:16 AM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote: [ -> ]Consider a #5 team that makes it to a CCG who goes on to make the NCG.

This team would play in its CCG (neutral site game #1), the 5 vs. 12 game (neutral site game #2 in a row), the 4 vs. 5 qaurterfinal (neutral site game #3 in a row), the semifinal 1 (or 8 or 9) vs. 5 game (neutral site game #4 in a row), and the NCG (neutral site game #5 in a row). Not to mention any early or mid-season neutral site games.

This would KILL postseason attendance, even for mega sized fanbases like Ohio State or Alabama.

Call me old fashioned, but put these games on campus!

I agree, keep the bowls for teams who aren't in the playoff. The season ticket holders & fans who go to games deserve to see those extra games in your scenario, if they're scattered all over the country then very few would be able to attend more than one...and how many would wait for the next, bigger game and then be frustrated when their team lost and they didn't go at all? Might even see a decrease in regular season attendance as some fans save their money to follow the team around to the playoff games IF they make it.

(11-29-2021 08:52 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote: [ -> ]Almost all of the bowl contracts were signed by conferences and independents for a six year cycle (2020-2025). But realignment is going to happen before then. The names and numbers of members are going to change.

Will some leagues' Bowl tie ins get dropped, and others added, based on membership composition changes?

A few examples of changes I could see happening:

- Alamo Bowl becomes SEC vs. Pac-12 instead of Big 12 vs. Pac-12.
- New Orleans Bowl becomes Sun Belt vs. AAC instead of Sun Belt vs. C-USA.
- Independence Bowl becomes Big 12 vs. Pac-12 (basically rolling the BYU tie-in into a Big 12 tie-in).

There probably needs to be a lawyer who can figure out how all this may work. (Hi, FranktheTank!)

My endgame is figuring out how the Sun Belt can capitalize on expansion by getting some sort of tie in with a P5 league, but the overall picture is very interesting.

Forgive my ignorance but where does the SBC generally send their champ? It used to be the NOLA bowl but I'm not sure that's the case anymore? I would love to see the SBC/city of New Orleans try to make a sell to other P5 conferences and try to negotiate with them to pit the SBC-Champion vs a P5 team in the NOLA Bowl every year.

I see no need at all to change any tie-ins in 2023.

Other than CUSA tie-ins or BYU tie-ins, I see no need to change the tie-ins in 2024 or 2025. Just let the old contracts run out in 2025. So what if the Big 12 still gets the Sugar Bowl in 2024-2025. Its only 2 extra years and its not like the Big 12 will become terrible overnight.

Unless of course they expand the playoffs in 2024. That changes everything.

The biggest issue for the ACC is the loss of the old Peach Bowl. There has been no replacement for it and the ACC was structured around the 2nd Bowl game taking place in Atlanta.

Quote:The next meeting of the College Football Playoff management committee—which is comprised of the commissioners from all 10 Football Bowl Subdivision conferences and Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick—is scheduled for Dec. 1.

The outcome of that meeting will show whether the long process is nearing the final stages or still has a long way to go.

"Do I think it could go forward? Certainly," SEC commissioner Sankey said after the November meeting. "Do I think people could stop it? Absolutely, because we need unanimous consent to make this happen among the 11 participants."

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/coll...06808.html

We should be getting news then about the playoff by the end of the week.

I have said on numerous occasions there isn't much guidance on how this will impact bowls, particularly bowls that won't be directly involved in the 12 team playoff rounds. Will they continue to have access bowls?

Access bowls for the 7th and 8th place conference champion I can see make sense. Perhaps 4 access bowls for teams ranked 13th through 18th as well as the 7th and 8th conference champions.

There wouldn't be much left of the bowl system if you had the top 8-10 games in the CFP. With it all smaller resources games I don't know how that will affect the demand for tie-ins. It could go B1G/SEC then everyone cleaning up behind them.

XII might get creative and decent bowls against the G5 where it makes sense for them strategically.

(11-30-2021 04:28 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:The next meeting of the College Football Playoff management committee—which is comprised of the commissioners from all 10 Football Bowl Subdivision conferences and Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick—is scheduled for Dec. 1.

The outcome of that meeting will show whether the long process is nearing the final stages or still has a long way to go.

"Do I think it could go forward? Certainly," SEC commissioner Sankey said after the November meeting. "Do I think people could stop it? Absolutely, because we need unanimous consent to make this happen among the 11 participants."

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/coll...06808.html

We should be getting news then about the playoff by the end of the week.

I have said on numerous occasions there isn't much guidance on how this will impact bowls, particularly bowls that won't be directly involved in the 12 team playoff rounds.

This is the only real question. What happens to the Peach and the Cotton/Fiesta Bowl? Do the quarterfinals rotate (2 years in the system, 1 year out) like the semifinals did?

Quote:Will they continue to have access bowls?

If you count the top G5 champion getting a playoff bid, then yes. That's the access. That's it.

Quote:Access bowls for the 7th and 8th place conference champion I can see make sense. Perhaps 4 access bowls for teams ranked 13th through 18th as well as the 7th and 8th conference champions.

Um, no? The 7th and 8th best conference champions never got anything special, why should they start now? The MWC champ can play whatever 6-6 PAC team gets sent, the MAC and SBC champs can play each other, the CUSA and AAC champs can go to whatever bowl their conference scrapes up.

Quote:There wouldn't be much left of the bowl system if you had the top 8-10 games in the CFP.

Right, which is why they're not cooking up any extra Access Bowls for 7th & 8th conference champs or #13-18 in the rankings. They can go to the Citrus Bowl or the Music City Bowl or the Holiday Bowl or wherever, just like for the past 30 or so years since all the bowls went to conference tie-ins.

Quote:With it all smaller resources games I don't know how that will affect the demand for tie-ins. It could go B1G/SEC then everyone cleaning up behind them.

It pretty much already was? Less so this bowl cycle, because (as far as I can tell) the SEC decided to go with more of a mix. (Last cycle there were SEC vs Big games in Citrus, Tampa, Gator, Charlotte I think, Music City.)

Quote:XII might get creative and decent bowls against the G5 where it makes sense for them strategically.

The first question is going to be, does the new CFP include all six of the current major bowls, or do two bowls get downgraded to Citrus-level?

EDIT: I forgot one more question--do the first-round-playoff losers go bowling? I can't really see it, but maybe it happens.

The second question is, what tie-ins does the SEC want, and with whom? After that, the pecking order rolls downhill

Post 2025, assuming Playoff stays as 4 teams:

Rose: Big 10 champ/#1 vs. Pac 12 champ/#1
Sugar: SEC champ/#1 vs. Big 10 #2
Orange: ACC champ/#1 vs. at large
Cotton: SEC #2 vs. at large
Fiesta: Pac 12 #2 vs. at large
Peach: ACC #2 vs. at large

Two "Group of Six" champions will get bids with the Big 12 eligible. In years the Orange and Cotton host the semifinals, the Fiesta and Peach get them and vice versa. In years a conference's champ's bowl is hosting a semifinal, the second place bowl gets first choice and will get the conference champion if they don't qualify for the Playoff. The CFP Committee can juggle the matchups afterwards but will respect bowl and conference wishes as much as possible.

SEC: Citrus, Outback, Gator, Alamo, Texas, First Responder, Music City, Liberty, Birmingham, Las Vegas/Duke's Mayo

Big Ten: Citrus, Outback/Gator, Holiday, Music City, Las Vegas/Duke's Mayo, Pinstripe, Cheez-It, Alamo/Texas, Quick Lane

ACC: Outback/Gator, Cheez It, Duke's Mayo, Pinstripe, Sun, Fenway

Pac 12: Las Vegas, Holiday, Hawaii, Los Angeles, Alamo/Texas, Sun, Guaranteed Rate

Big 12: First Responder, Guaranteed Rate

AAC: Liberty, Birmingham

MWC: Hawaii, LA

MAC: Quick Lane

Open: Fenway

Some of you act like there are no teams in the Big 12 left that are any good. We are only losing 1 good team.

(11-30-2021 05:39 PM)Big Frog II Wrote: [ -> ]Some of you act like there are no teams in the Big 12 left that are any good. We are only losing 1 good team.

It's not necessarily about how good the teams are, it's also how marketable the teams are, how many tickets the teams sell, how many TV eyeballs will watch, etc. Iowa State could be a good football team but do their fans travel and/or do people watch them? That's what the bowls will care and determine whether to sign with the Big 12 or replace them with the SEC, Big Ten, etc.

(11-30-2021 04:39 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-30-2021 04:28 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:The next meeting of the College Football Playoff management committee—which is comprised of the commissioners from all 10 Football Bowl Subdivision conferences and Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick—is scheduled for Dec. 1.

The outcome of that meeting will show whether the long process is nearing the final stages or still has a long way to go.

"Do I think it could go forward? Certainly," SEC commissioner Sankey said after the November meeting. "Do I think people could stop it? Absolutely, because we need unanimous consent to make this happen among the 11 participants."

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/coll...06808.html

We should be getting news then about the playoff by the end of the week.

I have said on numerous occasions there isn't much guidance on how this will impact bowls, particularly bowls that won't be directly involved in the 12 team playoff rounds.

This is the only real question. What happens to the Peach and the Cotton/Fiesta Bowl? Do the quarterfinals rotate (2 years in the system, 1 year out) like the semifinals did?

Quote:Will they continue to have access bowls?

If you count the top G5 champion getting a playoff bid, then yes. That's the access. That's it.

Quote:Access bowls for the 7th and 8th place conference champion I can see make sense. Perhaps 4 access bowls for teams ranked 13th through 18th as well as the 7th and 8th conference champions.

Um, no? The 7th and 8th best conference champions never got anything special, why should they start now? The MWC champ can play whatever 6-6 PAC team gets sent, the MAC and SBC champs can play each other, the CUSA and AAC champs can go to whatever bowl their conference scrapes up.

Quote:There wouldn't be much left of the bowl system if you had the top 8-10 games in the CFP.

Right, which is why they're not cooking up any extra Access Bowls for 7th & 8th conference champs or #13-18 in the rankings. They can go to the Citrus Bowl or the Music City Bowl or the Holiday Bowl or wherever, just like for the past 30 or so years since all the bowls went to conference tie-ins.

Quote:With it all smaller resources games I don't know how that will affect the demand for tie-ins. It could go B1G/SEC then everyone cleaning up behind them.

It pretty much already was? Less so this bowl cycle, because (as far as I can tell) the SEC decided to go with more of a mix. (Last cycle there were SEC vs Big games in Citrus, Tampa, Gator, Charlotte I think, Music City.)

The current post season setup is 4 access bowls, 2 in the semifinals and a NC game.

The BCS had 4 access bowls and 1 bowl double hosting a NC game.

The prestige and value go up being an access bowl vs. non-CFP game. This is why it makes sense to have 4 bowls in the quarters in the 12 team playoff and then 4 access bowls as traditionally been the case.

With the early iterations of the BCS where the TV money was not as big and you had 4 games (Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, Orange) there was space for other upper tier NYD games to exist. This space became more squeezed as the Cotton Bowl and Peach Bowl joined those ranks.

Last time around the Holiday Bowl, Texas Bowl and Citrus Bowl all through their hats into the ring as part of CFP bowl expansion. There was a vetting process and a selection of the Cotton and Peach to join the CFP. I'm sure bowls will try and angle to join the newly expanded CFP contract again as part of the CFP.

Whatever bowl doesn't get in the expanded contract will be infinitely marginalized to the point where they might as well be owned by ESPN. That is why I think we'll have access bowls as part of this and they are a good lead up to the bowls hosting the quarterfinals.

Oldest bowl games in America (not in CFP)

Sun Bowl 1935 (smallish stadium and TV market)
Gator Bowl 1945 (growing TV market)
Citrus Bowl 1946 (large TV market)
Liberty Bowl 1959 (smallish TV market)
Independence Bowl 1976 (tiny TV market)
Holiday Bowl 1978 (small stadium)
Outback Bowl 1986 (large TV market)
Guaranteed Rate Bowl 1989 (second tier Phoenix game)
Cheez-It Bowl 1990 (second tier Orlando game)
Las Vegas Bowl 1992 (growing TV market, new stadium)
Alamo Bowl 1993 (large TV market)

This is it as far as the pre-BCS games go. Only 5 are even capable of hosting an access bowl.

If there was to be 8 total bowls in the CFP I think that makes it hard for Las Vegas considering that would make 3/8 out west. Better to go with San Antonio.

Gator hasn't been significant in a long time. Tampa is a good semifinal site. That leaves the Citrus Bowl in Florida as a game that could step up.

A: Rose, Cotton, Sugar, Orange
B: Fiesta, Alamo, Peach, Citrus

Rotate the two groups for the quarterfinals. Give the 7th and 8th highest rated conference champions access bowls to protect the P5 in case a conference is having an off year.

Also protects the 11th and 12th rated CFP teams should it be a Northwestern or Wake Forest from having to drop down to a lower pecking order bowl if they don't make the playoff since they don't have enough fans and might get bumped to the Military bowl. They should get rewarded for having a really good season.

(11-30-2021 05:56 PM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-30-2021 05:39 PM)Big Frog II Wrote: [ -> ]Some of you act like there are no teams in the Big 12 left that are any good. We are only losing 1 good team.

It's not necessarily about how good the teams are, it's also how marketable the teams are, how many tickets the teams sell, how many TV eyeballs will watch, etc. Iowa State could be a good football team but do their fans travel and/or do people watch them? That's what the bowls will care and determine whether to sign with the Big 12 or replace them with the SEC, Big Ten, etc.

XII could be staring at a BE 2.0 type bowl lineup with maybe 1 or 2 legit P5 bowl games after the CFP. They are going to have to play some G5 conferences.

Another thought could be the "Alliance" possibly going to the bowl games and negotiating together. Could we see more Big Ten/ACC, ACC/Pac 12, Big Ten/Pac 12 bowls in the future? Maybe the Big Ten/ACC can wrestle one of the Big Three Florida bowls (Citrus, Outback, Gator) away from the SEC? Hey, if Florida plays in one of these bowls, it's a disappointment. Then again, when I went to the Citrus Bowl in 1998 when I was a Penn State grad student I thought I was at a UF home game. I doubt any of the Florida bowls will want this year's Florida team but they'll take a 9-3/10-2 UF team every time. I think the consolation in Florida for an ACC/Big Ten would be the Cheez It. I'd like to see Big 10/Pac 12 in the Holiday but Las Vegas every other year works. If the Alliance really flexes its muscles, the Big Ten could take Las Vegas every year and leave the SEC with Charlotte. Ironically Charlotte's payout is higher. https://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bowl...012%2C134.

(11-30-2021 06:05 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-30-2021 04:39 PM)johnbragg Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-30-2021 04:28 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:The next meeting of the College Football Playoff management committee—which is comprised of the commissioners from all 10 Football Bowl Subdivision conferences and Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick—is scheduled for Dec. 1.

The outcome of that meeting will show whether the long process is nearing the final stages or still has a long way to go.

"Do I think it could go forward? Certainly," SEC commissioner Sankey said after the November meeting. "Do I think people could stop it? Absolutely, because we need unanimous consent to make this happen among the 11 participants."

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/coll...06808.html

We should be getting news then about the playoff by the end of the week.

I have said on numerous occasions there isn't much guidance on how this will impact bowls, particularly bowls that won't be directly involved in the 12 team playoff rounds.

This is the only real question. What happens to the Peach and the Cotton/Fiesta Bowl? Do the quarterfinals rotate (2 years in the system, 1 year out) like the semifinals did?

Quote:Will they continue to have access bowls?

If you count the top G5 champion getting a playoff bid, then yes. That's the access. That's it.

Quote:Access bowls for the 7th and 8th place conference champion I can see make sense. Perhaps 4 access bowls for teams ranked 13th through 18th as well as the 7th and 8th conference champions.

Um, no? The 7th and 8th best conference champions never got anything special, why should they start now? The MWC champ can play whatever 6-6 PAC team gets sent, the MAC and SBC champs can play each other, the CUSA and AAC champs can go to whatever bowl their conference scrapes up.

Quote:There wouldn't be much left of the bowl system if you had the top 8-10 games in the CFP.

Right, which is why they're not cooking up any extra Access Bowls for 7th & 8th conference champs or #13-18 in the rankings. They can go to the Citrus Bowl or the Music City Bowl or the Holiday Bowl or wherever, just like for the past 30 or so years since all the bowls went to conference tie-ins.

Quote:With it all smaller resources games I don't know how that will affect the demand for tie-ins. It could go B1G/SEC then everyone cleaning up behind them.

It pretty much already was? Less so this bowl cycle, because (as far as I can tell) the SEC decided to go with more of a mix. (Last cycle there were SEC vs Big games in Citrus, Tampa, Gator, Charlotte I think, Music City.)

The current post season setup is 4 access bowls, 2 in the semifinals and a NC game.

The BCS had 4 access bowls and 1 bowl double hosting a NC game.

Apologies, I guess. I had never noticed anyone using the term "access bowl" for anything except the guaranteed G5 champion. Googling informs me that the term is used for any New Years' Six bowl that's not a "contract bowl."

Quote:The prestige and value go up being an access bowl vs. non-CFP game. This is why it makes sense to have 4 bowls in the quarters in the 12 team playoff and then 4 access bowls as traditionally been the case.

There were never 4 "access bowls" though. In the BCS it was Rose (B1G, PAC), Sugar (SEC), Orange (ACC) and Fiesta (XII). I don't think the term "access bowl" was used, but obviously I could be wrong about that.

The CFP has three "access bowls", but they get their prestige from being associated with the CFP, and from the rotation of top-ten teams through them. Take the PEach Bowl. Last year it had a top 10 SEC team vs a "BCS buster", the year before that it had a semifinal. That distinguishes it from the Citrus Bowl, which has a top 10-15 Big Ten team vs a top 10-15 SEC team.

I'm not sure how nominal "CFP access bowls" look more like the Peach Bowl than they do like the Citrus Bowls, if they're matching up #13-18 or so.

Quote:With the early iterations of the BCS where the TV money was not as big and you had 4 games (Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, Orange) there was space for other upper tier NYD games to exist. This space became more squeezed as the Cotton Bowl and Peach Bowl joined those ranks.

Quote:Last time around the Holiday Bowl, Texas Bowl and Citrus Bowl all through their hats into the ring as part of CFP bowl expansion. There was a vetting process and a selection of the Cotton and Peach to join the CFP. I'm sure bowls will try and angle to join the newly expanded CFP contract again as part of the CFP.

Whatever bowl doesn't get in the expanded contract will be infinitely marginalized to the point where they might as well be owned by ESPN.

Sure, but who cares?

Quote:That is why I think we'll have access bowls as part of this and they are a good lead up to the bowls hosting the quarterfinals.

How does that make ESPN or college football more money then just letting them wither on the vine?

Quote:Oldest bowl games in America (not in CFP)

Sun Bowl 1935 (smallish stadium and TV market)
Gator Bowl 1945 (growing TV market)
Citrus Bowl 1946 (large TV market)
Liberty Bowl 1959 (smallish TV market)
Independence Bowl 1976 (tiny TV market)
Holiday Bowl 1978 (small stadium)
Outback Bowl 1986 (large TV market)
Guaranteed Rate Bowl 1989 (second tier Phoenix game)
Cheez-It Bowl 1990 (second tier Orlando game)
Las Vegas Bowl 1992 (growing TV market, new stadium)
Alamo Bowl 1993 (large TV market)

This is it as far as the pre-BCS games go. Only 5 are even capable of hosting an access bowl.

If there was to be 8 total bowls in the CFP I think that makes it hard for Las Vegas considering that would make 3/8 out west. Better to go with San Antonio.

Gator hasn't been significant in a long time. Tampa is a good semifinal site. That leaves the Citrus Bowl in Florida as a game that could step up.

A: Rose, Cotton, Sugar, Orange
B: Fiesta, Alamo, Peach, Citrus

Rotate the two groups for the quarterfinals. Give the 7th and 8th highest rated conference champions access bowls to protect the P5 in case a conference is having an off year.

Is this just a complicated, roundabout way of setting up a system where the MAC champ plays in a decent bowl game occassionally?

Quote:Also protects the 11th and 12th rated CFP teams should it be a Northwestern or Wake Forest from having to drop down to a lower pecking order bowl if they don't make the playoff since they don't have enough fans and might get bumped to the Military bowl. They should get rewarded for having a really good season.

Conferences already build in those protections. The ACC has or has had bowl rules about number of wins, so that a 6-6 Florida State could not be picked over a 9-3 Wake Forest (or whatever the details are). The Big Ten put in a bunch of rules about rotating Big Ten schools through bowls. The SEC flat-out took over the role of assigning schools to bowls.

(11-30-2021 06:07 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-30-2021 05:56 PM)schmolik Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-30-2021 05:39 PM)Big Frog II Wrote: [ -> ]Some of you act like there are no teams in the Big 12 left that are any good. We are only losing 1 good team.

It's not necessarily about how good the teams are, it's also how marketable the teams are, how many tickets the teams sell, how many TV eyeballs will watch, etc. Iowa State could be a good football team but do their fans travel and/or do people watch them? That's what the bowls will care and determine whether to sign with the Big 12 or replace them with the SEC, Big Ten, etc.

XII could be staring at a BE 2.0 type bowl lineup with maybe 1 or 2 legit P5 bowl games after the CFP. They are going to have to play some G5 conferences.

Big 12 bowl lineup is definitely going to take a hit. They have to hope that the SEC prioritizes variety in their bowl lineup, so that they keep an SEC-XII game in Houston and probably Memphis.

Some Big 12 vs G5 bowls are definitely in the forecast.

Won't the B12 just take the AAC's best bowl games to replace those taken away by the SEC?

CFP
Texas v. SEC
Liberty v. SEC
Guaranteed Rate v. PAC/B1G
*Birmingham v. SEC
*Gasparilla v. ACC/SEC
*Armed Forces/First Responder v. MWC, AAC, Sun Belt

(11-30-2021 06:49 PM)YNot Wrote: [ -> ]Won't the B12 just take the AAC's best bowl games to replace those taken away by the SEC?

CFP
Texas v. SEC
Liberty v. SEC
Guaranteed Rate v. PAC/B1G
*Birmingham v. SEC
*Gasparilla v. ACC/SEC
*Armed Forces/First Responder v. MWC, AAC, Sun Belt

I'd guess the AAC keeps the Liberty because of Memphis.