Who is going to be team #83 and get left out

MTSU?

(11-28-2021 08:52 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Who is going to be team #83 and get left out

MTSU?

It's going to be interesting, especially if the SEC does NOT put two teams in the playoffs. If Georgia and Alabama both make the playoffs, the SEC's 11 bowl ties will accommodate the 11 other bowl-eligible SEC teams. But if not, an SEC team might be one of those looking for a bowl.

It's hard to imagine an SEC team not finding a bowl home, but that could require some maneuvering, etc.

(11-28-2021 08:44 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 07:32 AM)ken d Wrote:  So, now that 2021 is in the books, and APR is on life support, what should the rules be going forward? Who should get in if they don't meet the 6 win (with 5 FBS) standard?

I would put any 6-7 teams at the head of the line.

After that, my choice would be that of the 5-7 teams, those who have five wins against FBS teams get preference over those who need an FCS win to get to five. If that still doesn't get us there, I'd say let the bowls pick whoever they want from among the remaining 5-7 teams.

Why would the APR be on life support? There hasn’t been any indication that it’s going away.

I actually really like it being used as a tiebreaker. This is the essentially the only time that the NCAA actually gives any type of credence to academics. If you’re going to give a bowl bid to an under-.500 team, at least reward the one that actually did well in school at the same time.

There is a moratorium on using it to penalize schools due to concerns that it unfairly discriminates against some.

(11-28-2021 08:52 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Who is going to be team #83 and get left out

MTSU?

Assuming no one decides to stay home voluntarily (could see a P5 program with a fired coach like Florida doing so), it'll almost certainly be a MAC school. We have 8 teams with only 6 tie-ins and we're far from all the bowls we need at-large bids to.

My bet is Ball State being left out with Miami next in line at 6-6 each. BSU only became eligible pn Friday so Miami had a week head start in working with bowl organizers. Miami has a head-to-head victory and better conference record, and has our 2019 Lending Tree Bowl ticket sales (not great but not bad) on the record while BSU couldn't sell tickets last season during COVID.

Also keep in mind if multiple eligible teams decide to stay home that 6-7 Hawaii will be next in line before APR determines the 5-7 ones.

(11-28-2021 10:23 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 08:52 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Who is going to be team #83 and get left out

MTSU?

Assuming no one decides to stay home voluntarily (could see a P5 program with a fired coach like Florida doing so), ....

I thought both LSU and Florida would likely turn down bowl bids if they won yesterday, but this morning, all the chatter I've read out of both places this morning seems to indicate they both want to play in a bowl.

(11-28-2021 10:23 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 08:52 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Who is going to be team #83 and get left out

MTSU?

Assuming no one decides to stay home voluntarily (could see a P5 program with a fired coach like Florida doing so), it'll almost certainly be a MAC school. We have 8 teams with only 6 tie-ins and we're far from all the bowls we need at-large bids to.

My bet is Ball State being left out with Miami next in line at 6-6 each. BSU only became eligible pn Friday so Miami had a week head start in working with bowl organizers. Miami has a head-to-head victory and better conference record, and has our 2019 Lending Tree Bowl ticket sales (not great but not bad) on the record while BSU couldn't sell tickets last season during COVID.

Also keep in mind if multiple eligible teams decide to stay home that 6-7 Hawaii will be next in line before APR determines the 5-7 ones.

https://collegefootballnews.com/2021/07/...-2021-2022
This article claims the MAC has 8 tie-ins.

I picked MTSU because a lot of the bowls are ESPN Event pool choices and I figured ESPN would take care if their TV partners MAC and Sunbelt as well as CUSA schools joining their TV partners.

MTSU fits neither category and is a 6-6 school that just became bowl eligible

(11-28-2021 11:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I picked MTSU because a lot of the bowls are ESPN Event pool choices and I figured ESPN would take care if their TV partners MAC and Sunbelt as well as CUSA schools joining their TV partners.

MTSU fits neither category and is a 6-6 school that just became bowl eligible

Usually MAC and MWC schools are the ones on the outside looking in because they aren't driving distance to the bowls. But ESPN is probably picking the teams and MAC does appear to have enough bowls if that article is accurate.

(11-28-2021 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 11:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I picked MTSU because a lot of the bowls are ESPN Event pool choices and I figured ESPN would take care if their TV partners MAC and Sunbelt as well as CUSA schools joining their TV partners.

MTSU fits neither category and is a 6-6 school that just became bowl eligible

Usually MAC and MWC schools are the ones on the outside looking in because they aren't driving distance to the bowls. But ESPN is probably picking the teams and MAC does appear to have enough bowls if that article is accurate.

So that likely means Wyoming being the one left out in that case.

(11-28-2021 12:19 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 11:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I picked MTSU because a lot of the bowls are ESPN Event pool choices and I figured ESPN would take care if their TV partners MAC and Sunbelt as well as CUSA schools joining their TV partners.

MTSU fits neither category and is a 6-6 school that just became bowl eligible

Usually MAC and MWC schools are the ones on the outside looking in because they aren't driving distance to the bowls. But ESPN is probably picking the teams and MAC does appear to have enough bowls if that article is accurate.

So that likely means Wyoming being the one left out in that case.

That would be surprising. Wyoming's fan base travels better than any MAC school.

(11-28-2021 12:22 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 12:19 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 11:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I picked MTSU because a lot of the bowls are ESPN Event pool choices and I figured ESPN would take care if their TV partners MAC and Sunbelt as well as CUSA schools joining their TV partners.

MTSU fits neither category and is a 6-6 school that just became bowl eligible

Usually MAC and MWC schools are the ones on the outside looking in because they aren't driving distance to the bowls. But ESPN is probably picking the teams and MAC does appear to have enough bowls if that article is accurate.

So that likely means Wyoming being the one left out in that case.

That would be surprising. Wyoming's fan base travels better than any MAC school.

being 6-6 makes it tough.

(11-28-2021 12:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 12:22 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 12:19 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 11:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I picked MTSU because a lot of the bowls are ESPN Event pool choices and I figured ESPN would take care if their TV partners MAC and Sunbelt as well as CUSA schools joining their TV partners.

MTSU fits neither category and is a 6-6 school that just became bowl eligible

Usually MAC and MWC schools are the ones on the outside looking in because they aren't driving distance to the bowls. But ESPN is probably picking the teams and MAC does appear to have enough bowls if that article is accurate.

So that likely means Wyoming being the one left out in that case.

That would be surprising. Wyoming's fan base travels better than any MAC school.

being 6-6 makes it tough.

And if we use the ESPN rule the MWC also is not one of "their" conferences.

(11-28-2021 07:32 AM)ken d Wrote:  So, now that 2021 is in the books, and APR is on life support, what should the rules be going forward? Who should get in if they don't meet the 6 win (with 5 FBS) standard?

I would put any 6-7 teams at the head of the line.

After that, my choice would be that of the 5-7 teams, those who have five wins against FBS teams get preference over those who need an FCS win to get to five. If that still doesn't get us there, I'd say let the bowls pick whoever they want from among the remaining 5-7 teams.

I would do it based on which had been longest without a bowl game. If ties, go to next longest, etc. For teams without a bowl game only time in FBS would count.

This could also be used to decide which 6-6 team would stay home (the one with the longest current streak).

(11-28-2021 12:29 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 12:22 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 12:19 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 11:59 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 11:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I picked MTSU because a lot of the bowls are ESPN Event pool choices and I figured ESPN would take care if their TV partners MAC and Sunbelt as well as CUSA schools joining their TV partners.

MTSU fits neither category and is a 6-6 school that just became bowl eligible

Usually MAC and MWC schools are the ones on the outside looking in because they aren't driving distance to the bowls. But ESPN is probably picking the teams and MAC does appear to have enough bowls if that article is accurate.

So that likely means Wyoming being the one left out in that case.

That would be surprising. Wyoming's fan base travels better than any MAC school.

being 6-6 makes it tough.

Wyoming beat Ball State, one of the 6-6 MAC teams, and Northern Illinois, one of the MAC division champs.

But, to borrow the line from “Unforgiven”: Deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it.

(11-28-2021 11:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I picked MTSU because a lot of the bowls are ESPN Event pool choices and I figured ESPN would take care if their TV partners MAC and Sunbelt as well as CUSA schools joining their TV partners.

MTSU fits neither category and is a 6-6 school that just became bowl eligible

As it turns out, MTSU was announced today for the Bahamas Bowl, so they are officially in a bowl.

(11-28-2021 03:19 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2021 11:55 AM)solohawks Wrote:  I picked MTSU because a lot of the bowls are ESPN Event pool choices and I figured ESPN would take care if their TV partners MAC and Sunbelt as well as CUSA schools joining their TV partners.

MTSU fits neither category and is a 6-6 school that just became bowl eligible

As it turns out, MTSU was announced today for the Bahamas Bowl, so they are officially in a bowl.

Yep

My guess is that it will either be Ball St or ODU now

(11-27-2021 10:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Basking in my Correctness, lol.

Rutgers (5-7) says hold my beer

(12-25-2021 07:14 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 10:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Basking in my Correctness, lol.

Rutgers (5-7) says hold my beer

Eh, we were talking about the initial filling of slots. Not covid-19 withdrawals. But yes, with the virus spreading, APR rankings are suddenly very much on the table.

So who is up next, after Rutgers?

(12-25-2021 08:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-25-2021 07:14 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 10:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Basking in my Correctness, lol.

Rutgers (5-7) says hold my beer

Eh, we were talking about the initial filling of slots. Not covid-19 withdrawals. But yes, with the virus spreading, APR rankings are suddenly very much on the table.

So who is up next, after Rutgers?

I know, I know.

But you were so sure in the weeks leading up to it and (rightfully) took your victory lap… I was re-reading the whole thread and couldn’t resist poking!!!

(12-25-2021 08:02 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-25-2021 07:14 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  

(11-27-2021 10:41 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Basking in my Correctness, lol.

Rutgers (5-7) says hold my beer

Eh, we were talking about the initial filling of slots. Not covid-19 withdrawals. But yes, with the virus spreading, APR rankings are suddenly very much on the table.

So who is up next, after Rutgers?

Based on the earlier lists, Texas. Then Illinois.
I doubt Texas would play. Too many injuries. Too many players in the portal.