(07-30-2021 05:24 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

Amazing how all of this is lining up.....

CFP expansion... NIL approved.... SEC takes Texas and OU..... this....

Not to mention the 3.5 trillion dollar package the Dems voted for today has Free College proposed .

I hate this committee lineup so much. Completely unprepared for the task at hand

(08-11-2021 12:03 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 05:24 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

Amazing how all of this is lining up.....

CFP expansion... NIL approved.... SEC takes Texas and OU..... this....

Not to mention the 3.5 trillion dollar package the Dems voted for today has Free College proposed .

Someone has to be in charge. Let's hope it is not the fox guarding the hen house.

*** SMUstang ***

(08-11-2021 08:47 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 04:40 PM)chester Wrote:  Board announces Constitution Committee members
https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/med...ee-members

I was hoping Bowlsby and Sankey would be among the conference commissioners and that the committee's brainstorm would begin with good old-fashioned fisticuffs!

Regrettably, they're not.

I've broken down the committee for you. We'll order from most respectable to most laughable.


This kinda makes sense:
Sandy Barbour — Vice president for intercollegiate athletics, Penn State.
Linda Livingstone — President, Baylor.
Shane Lyons — Director of athletics, associate vice president, West Virginia.
Jere Morehead — President, Georgia.
Jim Phillips — Commissioner, Atlantic Coast Conference.



D1 but no big boy D1 football ... echoes of 30 years ago trying to decide the future:
Dean Bresciani — President, North Dakota State.
John DeGioia — President, Georgetown.
Greg Christopher — Vice president for administration, director of athletics, Xavier.
Gloria Nevarez — Commissioner, West Coast Conference.



Sub-division 1 football.... people who have no business being in the same room as those deciding major collegiate athletic structure:
Brad Bankston — Commissioner, Old Dominion Athletic Conference.
Chris Howard — President, Robert Morris.
Gayle Hutchinson — President, Chico State.
Jim Johnson — Director of athletics, Pittsburg State.
Julie Ruppert — Commissioner, Northeast-10 Conference.
Darryl Sims — Director of athletics, Wisconsin-Oshkosh.
Fayneese Miller — President, Hamline.



People who have deliberately de-emphasized athletics in the .edu space:
Robin Harris — Executive director, The Ivy League.
Troy Dannen — Director of athletics, Tulane.



Players who have no business being in a room where governance and structure is being hashed out. Let's make it laughable and make sure none of those players come from any sport that will ever come close to generating a profit:
Madeleine McKenna — Volleyball, California University of Pennsylvania.
Megan Koch — Track and field, Colorado College.
Kendall Spencer — Track and field, New Mexico.



These people know even less about collegiate athletics than a randomly sampled track/volleyball player:
Mary Sue Coleman — Former president, Association of American Universities, independent board member.
Robert Gates (chair) — Former U.S. secretary of defense, former president, Texas A&M, independent board member.






It's hard NOT to notice the lack of B1G/SEC membership on this committee beyond a token academic. The Big 12 and ACC are the only P5s who put somebody meaningful on the committee.

Thanks! Yeah, it's crappy. I'm most disappointed in the lack of FBS football and D1 basketball player representation. And Kendall Spencer graduated a while back! I knew I'd heard his name before..

(08-11-2021 11:53 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(08-11-2021 11:07 AM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(08-11-2021 10:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-11-2021 10:44 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So … we’ll have the new divisions setup?
NIL division
Non-NIL division
Non-Schollie/Non-NIL division

Sorry. You can't have a non-NIL division. NIL is applicable to all schools. Period.

Correct. Even NAIA has NIL rules.

Who’s says they can’t? Schools can opt for a division w/o NIL, if there is a desire to create one, just as schools opt to not have athletic scholarships.

The numerous states that have passed laws that prohibit schools from preventing athletes from profiting off their NIL. Why do you think the NCAA now allows it? No one is going to backtrack.

(08-11-2021 08:47 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 04:40 PM)chester Wrote:  Board announces Constitution Committee members
https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/med...ee-members

I was hoping Bowlsby and Sankey would be among the conference commissioners and that the committee's brainstorm would begin with good old-fashioned fisticuffs!

Regrettably, they're not.

I've broken down the committee for you. We'll order from most respectable to most laughable.


This kinda makes sense:
Sandy Barbour — Vice president for intercollegiate athletics, Penn State.
Linda Livingstone — President, Baylor.
Shane Lyons — Director of athletics, associate vice president, West Virginia.
Jere Morehead — President, Georgia.
Jim Phillips — Commissioner, Atlantic Coast Conference.



D1 but no big boy D1 football ... echoes of 30 years ago trying to decide the future:
Dean Bresciani — President, North Dakota State.
John DeGioia — President, Georgetown.
Greg Christopher — Vice president for administration, director of athletics, Xavier.
Gloria Nevarez — Commissioner, West Coast Conference.



Sub-division 1 football.... people who have no business being in the same room as those deciding major collegiate athletic structure:
Brad Bankston — Commissioner, Old Dominion Athletic Conference.
Chris Howard — President, Robert Morris.
Gayle Hutchinson — President, Chico State.
Jim Johnson — Director of athletics, Pittsburg State.
Julie Ruppert — Commissioner, Northeast-10 Conference.
Darryl Sims — Director of athletics, Wisconsin-Oshkosh.
Fayneese Miller — President, Hamline.



People who have deliberately de-emphasized athletics in the .edu space:
Robin Harris — Executive director, The Ivy League.
Troy Dannen — Director of athletics, Tulane.



Players who have no business being in a room where governance and structure is being hashed out. Let's make it laughable and make sure none of those players come from any sport that will ever come close to generating a profit:
Madeleine McKenna — Volleyball, California University of Pennsylvania.
Megan Koch — Track and field, Colorado College.
Kendall Spencer — Track and field, New Mexico.



These people know even less about collegiate athletics than a randomly sampled track/volleyball player:
Mary Sue Coleman — Former president, Association of American Universities, independent board member.
Robert Gates (chair) — Former U.S. secretary of defense, former president, Texas A&M, independent board member.






It's hard NOT to notice the lack of B1G/SEC membership on this committee beyond a token academic. The Big 12 and ACC are the only P5s who put somebody meaningful on the committee.

Gates was president of Texas A&M, head of the CIA and Secretary of Defense. He's qualified.

I noted the split was 8 FBS, 6 Division I other, 8 Division II/III and 2 outsiders.

(08-11-2021 12:30 PM)chester Wrote:  

(08-11-2021 08:47 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 04:40 PM)chester Wrote:  Board announces Constitution Committee members
https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/med...ee-members

I was hoping Bowlsby and Sankey would be among the conference commissioners and that the committee's brainstorm would begin with good old-fashioned fisticuffs!

Regrettably, they're not.

I've broken down the committee for you. We'll order from most respectable to most laughable.


This kinda makes sense:
Sandy Barbour — Vice president for intercollegiate athletics, Penn State.
Linda Livingstone — President, Baylor.
Shane Lyons — Director of athletics, associate vice president, West Virginia.
Jere Morehead — President, Georgia.
Jim Phillips — Commissioner, Atlantic Coast Conference.



D1 but no big boy D1 football ... echoes of 30 years ago trying to decide the future:
Dean Bresciani — President, North Dakota State.
John DeGioia — President, Georgetown.
Greg Christopher — Vice president for administration, director of athletics, Xavier.
Gloria Nevarez — Commissioner, West Coast Conference.



Sub-division 1 football.... people who have no business being in the same room as those deciding major collegiate athletic structure:
Brad Bankston — Commissioner, Old Dominion Athletic Conference.
Chris Howard — President, Robert Morris.
Gayle Hutchinson — President, Chico State.
Jim Johnson — Director of athletics, Pittsburg State.
Julie Ruppert — Commissioner, Northeast-10 Conference.
Darryl Sims — Director of athletics, Wisconsin-Oshkosh.
Fayneese Miller — President, Hamline.



People who have deliberately de-emphasized athletics in the .edu space:
Robin Harris — Executive director, The Ivy League.
Troy Dannen — Director of athletics, Tulane.



Players who have no business being in a room where governance and structure is being hashed out. Let's make it laughable and make sure none of those players come from any sport that will ever come close to generating a profit:
Madeleine McKenna — Volleyball, California University of Pennsylvania.
Megan Koch — Track and field, Colorado College.
Kendall Spencer — Track and field, New Mexico.



These people know even less about collegiate athletics than a randomly sampled track/volleyball player:
Mary Sue Coleman — Former president, Association of American Universities, independent board member.
Robert Gates (chair) — Former U.S. secretary of defense, former president, Texas A&M, independent board member.






It's hard NOT to notice the lack of B1G/SEC membership on this committee beyond a token academic. The Big 12 and ACC are the only P5s who put somebody meaningful on the committee.

Thanks! Yeah, it's crappy. I'm most disappointed in the lack of FBS football and D1 basketball player representation. And Kendall Spencer graduated a while back! I knew I'd heard his name before..

So---a group with a composition so incongruent with FBS---especially with respect to the P5---could only come up with two outcomes for D1/FBD. You have to think their recommendation will be to either give the P5 (and/or all of FBS) autonomous powers over virtually everything within D1----or they will create rules so unacceptable to D1 that the P5 and/or FBS simply leaves the NCAA.

The NCAA can be pretty dumb sometimes---but I dont think they are this foolish. My guess is the powers that be in the NCAA already know autonomus self governance for D1 is the only viable answer---thus---this group was built to handle everything else---which is why it is constructed the way it is.

(08-11-2021 06:56 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  So---a group with a composition so incongruent with FBS---especially with respect to the P5---could only come up with two outcomes for D1/FBD. You have to think their recommendation will be to either give the P5 (and/or all of FBS) autonomous powers over virtually everything within D1----or they will create rules so unacceptable to D1 that the P5 and/or FBS simply leaves the NCAA.

The NCAA can be pretty dumb sometimes---but I dont think they are this foolish. My guess is the powers that be in the NCAA already know autonomus self governance for D1 is the only viable answer---thus---this group was built to handle everything else---which is why it is constructed the way it is.

Good point.

As for the NCAA doing dumb things, hoo boy. This committee may spend half its time debating the permissibility of creamer and sugar in the coffee of its two current athletes.

Gates & Co. conducting surveys.

NCAA Association-Wide Constitution Convention Feedback Survey (PDF)

NCAA Association-Wide Constitution Convention Feedback Survey for SAAC and BOG SAEC (similar)

https://www.ncaa.org/ncaa-constitution-committee

(08-11-2021 12:04 PM)MattBrownEP Wrote:  I hate this committee lineup so much. Completely unprepared for the task at hand

Like I said above---Ive convinced myself that they already know they are basically going to give FBS conferences full autonomy---so they dont really need much FBS/P5 representation on the committee. If thats not the plan---then the committee composition alone makes the convention a massive swing and miss from the start.

(08-11-2021 09:12 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(08-11-2021 09:11 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Ralph D. Russo
@ralphDrussoAP
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1h
NCAA announces Division I Committee on Infractions will release a decision today regarding Baylor.

Why the NCAA hate? This only took 5 or so years.

Houston Baptist's AD is preparing to get hammered.

Houston Baptist's AD is hoping it lands on Dallas Baptist or St. Edward's in Austin, both of which are closer to Baylor.

The committee is now accepting input from individuals, which they will "seriously consider." :D

You can submit written input and/or files of various types. Gotta sign up, though, with name and email. I'll let you guys know if Robert Gates spams my inbox. ; )

https://ncaa.submittable.com/submit/606c...ttee-input

I've collected over 100 responses from Extra Points readers, and if you have feedback you'd like me to pass along to the committee, I'm happy to do so. The form is here:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQ...sp=sf_link

And this is where I think we have something interesting to follow between changes to FBS/FCS and the whole structure of NCAA athletics as we know it. The NCAA Division I folks lean towards a structural change by a slight majority. Of note, over two-thirds of those saying a structural change is needed hail from the autonomy conferences. Surprised? I'm not.

More at the link below on some of the NCAA research... which according to the lead paragraph, "To inform the work of the Constitution Committee, an online survey was sent to college presidents, faculty athletics representatives, athletics administrators, conference commissioners, coaches association executive directors and student-athlete leaders. "


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Assessing the Need To Change the Current Divisional Structure

Approximately one-third of Division II and Division III leaders surveyed agreed that the current divisional structure needs to change. This was higher in Division I, with a slight majority of respondents endorsing such a change. However, when breaking out responses by those in Division I autonomy and nonautonomy conferences, over two-thirds of autonomy conference administrators supported such a change to the structure as compared with approximately 45% of non-autonomy conference administrators in Division I.

Those who agreed that the current divisional structure was in need of change received an openended prompt asking them to describe their vision. Comments included calls to increase the number of divisions (often calling for an expansion of Division I, or in some cases Division III); break the autonomy conferences out of Division I and permit self-governance; reconsider Division I subdivisions by extracting FBS football from NCAA oversight; and restructure divisional membership, taking into account geography, campus enrollment or resource level

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/committ...ummary.pdf

(08-11-2021 12:30 PM)chester Wrote:  

(08-11-2021 08:47 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 04:40 PM)chester Wrote:  Board announces Constitution Committee members
https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/med...ee-members

I was hoping Bowlsby and Sankey would be among the conference commissioners and that the committee's brainstorm would begin with good old-fashioned fisticuffs!

Regrettably, they're not.

I've broken down the committee for you. We'll order from most respectable to most laughable.


This kinda makes sense:
Sandy Barbour — Vice president for intercollegiate athletics, Penn State.
Linda Livingstone — President, Baylor.
Shane Lyons — Director of athletics, associate vice president, West Virginia.
Jere Morehead — President, Georgia.
Jim Phillips — Commissioner, Atlantic Coast Conference.



D1 but no big boy D1 football ... echoes of 30 years ago trying to decide the future:
Dean Bresciani — President, North Dakota State.
John DeGioia — President, Georgetown.
Greg Christopher — Vice president for administration, director of athletics, Xavier.
Gloria Nevarez — Commissioner, West Coast Conference.



Sub-division 1 football.... people who have no business being in the same room as those deciding major collegiate athletic structure:
Brad Bankston — Commissioner, Old Dominion Athletic Conference.
Chris Howard — President, Robert Morris.
Gayle Hutchinson — President, Chico State.
Jim Johnson — Director of athletics, Pittsburg State.
Julie Ruppert — Commissioner, Northeast-10 Conference.
Darryl Sims — Director of athletics, Wisconsin-Oshkosh.
Fayneese Miller — President, Hamline.



People who have deliberately de-emphasized athletics in the .edu space:
Robin Harris — Executive director, The Ivy League.
Troy Dannen — Director of athletics, Tulane.



Players who have no business being in a room where governance and structure is being hashed out. Let's make it laughable and make sure none of those players come from any sport that will ever come close to generating a profit:
Madeleine McKenna — Volleyball, California University of Pennsylvania.
Megan Koch — Track and field, Colorado College.
Kendall Spencer — Track and field, New Mexico.



These people know even less about collegiate athletics than a randomly sampled track/volleyball player:
Mary Sue Coleman — Former president, Association of American Universities, independent board member.
Robert Gates (chair) — Former U.S. secretary of defense, former president, Texas A&M, independent board member.






It's hard NOT to notice the lack of B1G/SEC membership on this committee beyond a token academic. The Big 12 and ACC are the only P5s who put somebody meaningful on the committee.

Thanks! Yeah, it's crappy. I'm most disappointed in the lack of FBS football and D1 basketball player representation. And Kendall Spencer graduated a while back! I knew I'd heard his name before..

Gates is really good. I don't question him.

This is a bigger issue than keeping the P5 happy, which is why it absolutely needs D-II and D-III representation.

Turning attention to this now. Eager to find out what's being speculated now that this thing is drawing closer to happening.

(10-29-2021 07:28 PM)_sturt_ Wrote:  Turning attention to this now. Eager to find out what's being speculated now that this thing is drawing closer to happening.

It looks like campus size would be looked at. You do have so many small colleges of private and public in D1 should not be D1. You are not generating revenue for academics or sports. I do think the A5 would look at large schools like the D2 and 3 public schools and some private schools that have a student body that could turn out to games. Plus lets say PAC 12 could invite San Francisco State as an affiliate for men's wrestling.

Charge of the new DI Transformation Committee:

Quote:NCAA Division I Transformation Committee. The Board of Directors established an NCAA Division I Transformation Committee to conduct a comprehensive review of the Division I model, as an extension of the Constitution Committee's work, through August 2022. The committee is expected to meet once virtually in advance of the January 2022 NCAA Convention and will complete the bulk of its work beginning in early 2022. The 21-member committee includes several Division I members of the Constitution Committee and additional members selected based on nominations from member conferences and leaders within the governance structure. The Transformation Committee will be co-chaired by Julie Cromer, director of athletics at Ohio University, and Greg Sankey, commissioner of the Southeastern Conference. (Unanimous voice vote.)

The Board of Directors charged the Transformation Committee with developing a set of Division I Commitments, Regulations and Membership Obligations that directly respond to the following issues that continually challenge the division:

Membership. A model for new (or enhanced) membership obligations/requirements, including the appropriateness of a new subdivision, division or differently defined categories of institutions (e.g., groups, leagues, consortiums).

Governance. A model for a new Division I governance process that may include a different approach to leadership and independence in the decision-making process (e.g., a "sport leadership" model to provide some decision-making at the sport level).

Student-athlete experience. A model for enhanced Division I student-athlete experience (academics, health and safety, well-being), including an examination of enhanced support to student-athletes.

Regulatory structure. A regulatory structure that focuses on distinguishing those rules determined at the divisional level versus those best administered at the campus and/or conference level, and an enforcement and infractions model that focuses on elements most integral to the Division I collegiate model and is timelier in all aspects of adjudication.

Impact of direct financial support to student-athletes. Determine the extent to which an institution's direct financial allocations to support student-athletes impacts representation in the governance structure, revenue distribution and championship access.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/committ...Report.pdf

Committee roster:
https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/med...tee-roster

This is about how the NCAA and member schools deal with the inevitable Supreme Court ruling that athletes are school employees.