My schadenfreude will runnith over if the NCAA dies in a sea of bureaucratic morass. Beautiful. Almost poetic.

If this leads to individual conference autonomy then detractors of ACC divisions can celebrate. And conference semis might happen in the absence of an expanded CFP.

(07-30-2021 07:54 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

IMO, Mandel is missing the point here.

Of course the NCAA can't get that done this year. But by starting a "process" to get it done, the NCAA is creating a reason to stall further changes until their "process" is done.

One thing bureaucracies definitely know how to do is stall.

Bill Self just breathed a HUGE sigh of relief.

Board announces Constitution Committee members
https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/med...ee-members

I was hoping Bowlsby and Sankey would be among the conference commissioners and that the committee's brainstorm would begin with good old-fashioned fisticuffs!

Regrettably, they're not.

(07-30-2021 03:00 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(07-30-2021 02:57 PM)Crayton Wrote:  Woaaaaaaaaah!

Our country could use one of those too. :)

True, though I fear they'd just make it worse...

Not to worry. There is no way to get agreement on a new constitution in the US. On the other hand, maybe we should worry, because that might mean we get two new constitutions for two separate countries. Which is also what might happen with the NCAA.

(08-10-2021 04:40 PM)chester Wrote:  Board announces Constitution Committee members
https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/med...ee-members

I was hoping Bowlsby and Sankey would be among the conference commissioners and that the committee's brainstorm would begin with good old-fashioned fisticuffs!

Regrettably, they're not.

I've broken down the committee for you. We'll order from most respectable to most laughable.


This kinda makes sense:
Sandy Barbour — Vice president for intercollegiate athletics, Penn State.
Linda Livingstone — President, Baylor.
Shane Lyons — Director of athletics, associate vice president, West Virginia.
Jere Morehead — President, Georgia.
Jim Phillips — Commissioner, Atlantic Coast Conference.



D1 but no big boy D1 football ... echoes of 30 years ago trying to decide the future:
Dean Bresciani — President, North Dakota State.
John DeGioia — President, Georgetown.
Greg Christopher — Vice president for administration, director of athletics, Xavier.
Gloria Nevarez — Commissioner, West Coast Conference.



Sub-division 1 football.... people who have no business being in the same room as those deciding major collegiate athletic structure:
Brad Bankston — Commissioner, Old Dominion Athletic Conference.
Chris Howard — President, Robert Morris.
Gayle Hutchinson — President, Chico State.
Jim Johnson — Director of athletics, Pittsburg State.
Julie Ruppert — Commissioner, Northeast-10 Conference.
Darryl Sims — Director of athletics, Wisconsin-Oshkosh.
Fayneese Miller — President, Hamline.



People who have deliberately de-emphasized athletics in the .edu space:
Robin Harris — Executive director, The Ivy League.
Troy Dannen — Director of athletics, Tulane.



Players who have no business being in a room where governance and structure is being hashed out. Let's make it laughable and make sure none of those players come from any sport that will ever come close to generating a profit:
Madeleine McKenna — Volleyball, California University of Pennsylvania.
Megan Koch — Track and field, Colorado College.
Kendall Spencer — Track and field, New Mexico.



These people know even less about collegiate athletics than a randomly sampled track/volleyball player:
Mary Sue Coleman — Former president, Association of American Universities, independent board member.
Robert Gates (chair) — Former U.S. secretary of defense, former president, Texas A&M, independent board member.






It's hard NOT to notice the lack of B1G/SEC membership on this committee beyond a token academic. The Big 12 and ACC are the only P5s who put somebody meaningful on the committee.

(08-11-2021 08:47 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Sub-division 1 football.... people who have no business being in the same room as those deciding major collegiate athletic structure:

This is NOT about a constitution to placate the P4/5. it's about the entire 700+ members of the NCAA. It would make no sense for the SEC and Big Ten to tell 30 D-III conferences how to run their football programs.

Some areas of legitimate discussion:

1. Does the NCAA get out of the enforcement business and leave it up to conferences?

2. Can conferences/divisions set its own playing rules? For example, a 24 second shot clock in D-I, but not in Div. II?

3. Who manages eligibility?

4. Can anyone join Division I? The NCAA has held back on that but what's to stop everyone from being "major college"?

(08-11-2021 08:47 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-10-2021 04:40 PM)chester Wrote:  Board announces Constitution Committee members
https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/med...ee-members

I was hoping Bowlsby and Sankey would be among the conference commissioners and that the committee's brainstorm would begin with good old-fashioned fisticuffs!

Regrettably, they're not.

I've broken down the committee for you. We'll order from most respectable to most laughable.


This kinda makes sense:
Sandy Barbour — Vice president for intercollegiate athletics, Penn State.
Linda Livingstone — President, Baylor.
Shane Lyons — Director of athletics, associate vice president, West Virginia.
Jere Morehead — President, Georgia.
Jim Phillips — Commissioner, Atlantic Coast Conference.



D1 but no big boy D1 football ... echoes of 30 years ago trying to decide the future:
Dean Bresciani — President, North Dakota State.
John DeGioia — President, Georgetown.
Greg Christopher — Vice president for administration, director of athletics, Xavier.
Gloria Nevarez — Commissioner, West Coast Conference.



Sub-division 1 football.... people who have no business being in the same room as those deciding major collegiate athletic structure:
Brad Bankston — Commissioner, Old Dominion Athletic Conference.
Chris Howard — President, Robert Morris.
Gayle Hutchinson — President, Chico State.
Jim Johnson — Director of athletics, Pittsburg State.
Julie Ruppert — Commissioner, Northeast-10 Conference.
Darryl Sims — Director of athletics, Wisconsin-Oshkosh.
Fayneese Miller — President, Hamline.



People who have deliberately de-emphasized athletics in the .edu space:
Robin Harris — Executive director, The Ivy League.
Troy Dannen — Director of athletics, Tulane.



Players who have no business being in a room where governance and structure is being hashed out. Let's make it laughable and make sure none of those players come from any sport that will ever come close to generating a profit:
Madeleine McKenna — Volleyball, California University of Pennsylvania.
Megan Koch — Track and field, Colorado College.
Kendall Spencer — Track and field, New Mexico.



These people know even less about collegiate athletics than a randomly sampled track/volleyball player:
Mary Sue Coleman — Former president, Association of American Universities, independent board member.
Robert Gates (chair) — Former U.S. secretary of defense, former president, Texas A&M, independent board member.






It's hard NOT to notice the lack of B1G/SEC membership on this committee beyond a token academic. The Big 12 and ACC are the only P5s who put somebody meaningful on the committee.

I noticed this yesterday when I first saw the list. This collection on the committee tells me, despite everything, the great breakaway is not happening anytime soon and those rascally "city and directional" schools will continue playing at the highest level.

(08-11-2021 08:56 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(08-11-2021 08:47 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Sub-division 1 football.... people who have no business being in the same room as those deciding major collegiate athletic structure:

This is NOT about a constitution to placate the P4/5. it's about the entire 700+ members of the NCAA. It would make no sense for the SEC and Big Ten to tell 30 D-III conferences how to run their football programs.

Some areas of legitimate discussion:

1. Does the NCAA get out of the enforcement business and leave it up to conferences?

2. Can conferences/divisions set its own playing rules? For example, a 24 second shot clock in D-I, but not in Div. II?

3. Who manages eligibility?

4. Can anyone join Division I? The NCAA has held back on that but what's to stop everyone from being "major college"?

Hey if you want something that will please the most of the 700+ membership .... declare the NCAA NAIA 2.0 and let the top 100 or so go elsewhere.

Ralph D. Russo
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NCAA announces Division I Committee on Infractions will release a decision today regarding Baylor.




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It’s been five years since the Baylor sexual assault scandal broke.

The NCAA case that resulted from it has been going on for so long most people forgot it was still happening.

Just got a release that the Committee on Infractions will announce its decision today.

Why the NCAA hate? This only took 5 or so years.

(08-11-2021 09:11 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Ralph D. Russo
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NCAA announces Division I Committee on Infractions will release a decision today regarding Baylor.

Why the NCAA hate? This only took 5 or so years.

Houston Baptist's AD is preparing to get hammered.

(08-11-2021 09:11 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  Ralph D. Russo
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It’s been five years since the Baylor sexual assault scandal broke.

The NCAA case that resulted from it has been going on for so long most people forgot it was still happening.

Just got a release that the Committee on Infractions will announce its decision today.

Why the NCAA hate? This only took 5 or so years.

My genuine unbridled contempt for the NCAA almost rivals that of Congress.

So … we’ll have the new divisions setup?
NIL division
Non-NIL division
Non-Schollie/Non-NIL division

(08-11-2021 10:44 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So … we’ll have the new divisions setup?
NIL division
Non-NIL division
Non-Schollie/Non-NIL division

Sorry. You can't have a non-NIL division. NIL is applicable to all schools. Period.

Baylor just got a pass from the NCAA.

(08-11-2021 10:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-11-2021 10:44 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So … we’ll have the new divisions setup?
NIL division
Non-NIL division
Non-Schollie/Non-NIL division

Sorry. You can't have a non-NIL division. NIL is applicable to all schools. Period.

Correct. Even NAIA has NIL rules.

(08-11-2021 11:07 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  Baylor just got a pass from the NCAA.

Yep, barely a slap on the wrist.

(08-11-2021 11:07 AM)EKUSteve Wrote:  

(08-11-2021 10:53 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-11-2021 10:44 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  So … we’ll have the new divisions setup?
NIL division
Non-NIL division
Non-Schollie/Non-NIL division

Sorry. You can't have a non-NIL division. NIL is applicable to all schools. Period.

Correct. Even NAIA has NIL rules.

Who’s says they can’t? Schools can opt for a division w/o NIL, if there is a desire to create one, just as schools opt to not have athletic scholarships.