Absolutely impressive, no matter home or away. And again -- hopefully -- future home scheduling smarts if some of these could be quid pro quos. Can't afford to pay now, but give Burno a season with the people he's bringing in and ... ? The others are probably one-offs, but maybe Boston U. and/or Dayton at the Convo some time? Also making money now boosts the ability to pay good assistants.

I'd add Boston U. (21-13 in the season before Covid 19, including a win over South Carolina at S.C. in front of 10,000+) to the list of Missouri, Washington, Dayton, Indiana and Marquette. Maybe not as good as Dayton, but certainly not a pushover. 2021 mbb RPI rankings have the Patriot League at #14 and the MAC at #18.

(08-06-2021 03:30 AM)pvk75 Wrote:  Absolutely impressive, no matter home or away. And again -- hopefully -- future home scheduling smarts if some of these could be quid pro quos. Can't afford to pay now, but give Burno a season with the people he's bringing in and ... ? The others are probably one-offs, but maybe Boston U. and/or Dayton at the Convo some time? Also making money now boosts the ability to pay good assistants.

I'd add Boston U. (21-13 in the season before Covid 19, including a win over South Carolina at S.C. in front of 10,000+) to the list of Missouri, Washington, Dayton, Indiana and Marquette. Maybe not as good as Dayton, but certainly not a pushover. 2021 mbb RPI rankings have the Patriot League at #14 and the MAC at #18.

The Boston U game is part of the Jacksonville MTE and not a scheduled OOC game, but if a contact can be established from this game, your point is well taken.

My point was about the strength of the o-o-c schedule, not how the games were arranged. I added Boston U. to the others, then attempted to justify that. Be nice to see the home schedule beefed up in future, no matter how that gets done. That's why I mentioned Boston U. and Dayton in the same context.

I'm getting as nit-picky as anyone else, so maybe we should just be glad the Huskies are not playing Podunk U., Podunk State and the University of Podunk.

So until new revelations are posted ...

(08-06-2021 07:37 AM)pvk75 Wrote:  My point was about the strength of the o-o-c schedule, not how the games were arranged. I added Boston U. to the others, then attempted to justify that. Be nice to see the home schedule beefed up in future, no matter how that gets done. That's why I mentioned Boston U. and Dayton in the same context.

I'm getting as nit-picky as anyone else, so maybe we should just be glad the Huskies are not playing Podunk U., Podunk State and the University of Podunk.

So until new revelations are posted ...

But those schools get more state funding than Northern Podunk University, Western Podunk University, Eastern Podunk University and Southern Podunk University.

Just as an FYI, former NIU assistant (1995-2001) and current head coach Ryan Marks (8th year) at University of St. Francis (IL) has released his upcoming 2021-22 schedule and it begins with two exhibition games: at Illinois on Sat. (Oct. 23) followed by at NIU on Friday (Oct. 29).

New schedule posted. I don’t remember such a difficult start to the season. Washington, Indiana, Missouri, Marquette, Dayton all in first part of season. Tough schedule.

(08-28-2021 08:36 AM)Dtownboys Wrote:  New schedule posted. I don’t remember such a difficult start to the season. Washington, Indiana, Missouri, Marquette, Dayton all in first part of season. Tough schedule.

Definitely not a Monty schedule!

(08-28-2021 08:57 AM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 08:36 AM)Dtownboys Wrote:  New schedule posted. I don’t remember such a difficult start to the season. Washington, Indiana, Missouri, Marquette, Dayton all in first part of season. Tough schedule.

Definitely not a Monty schedule!

It is easier to schedule your first year and easier to take the money over the losses when you have a 5 year contract:

Monty's 1st year: Purdue, Iowa, Depaul, Valparaiso, SIU, Boise St., UW Milwaukee, SIU-Edwardsville, Utah Valley, UNO

Monty's 2nd year: Loyola, Dayton, Washington, Seattle, UNO, Valpo, Depaul, UMass, UIC, Milwaukee

Subsequent years: James Madison, Nebraska, Dartmouth, UMass, Iowa State, Loyola, Idaho, Iowa, Depaul, Notre Dame,Missouri, Ohio State, Indiana State, Minnesota, South Florida, Florida International, Cal Poly, Cal State Northridge, Northern Kentucky, Oral Roberts, Green Bay, Butler, Michigan State, Penn, Marquette, Iowa, Pitt

Tougher to schedule when you get good as when you win 18 or 21 games or when you need to win games or get fired at the end of your contract extension

(08-28-2021 01:34 PM)huskies77 Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 08:57 AM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 08:36 AM)Dtownboys Wrote:  New schedule posted. I don’t remember such a difficult start to the season. Washington, Indiana, Missouri, Marquette, Dayton all in first part of season. Tough schedule.

Definitely not a Monty schedule!

It is easier to schedule your first year and easier to take the money over the losses when you have a 5 year contract:

Monty's 1st year: Purdue, Iowa, Depaul, Valparaiso, SIU, Boise St., UW Milwaukee, SIU-Edwardsville, Utah Valley, UNO

Monty's 2nd year: Loyola, Dayton, Washington, Seattle, UNO, Valpo, Depaul, UMass, UIC, Milwaukee

Subsequent years: James Madison, Nebraska, Dartmouth, UMass, Iowa State, Loyola, Idaho, Iowa, Depaul, Notre Dame,Missouri, Ohio State, Indiana State, Minnesota, South Florida, Florida International, Cal Poly, Cal State Northridge, Northern Kentucky, Oral Roberts, Green Bay, Butler, Michigan State, Penn, Marquette, Iowa, Pitt

Tougher to schedule when you get good as when you win 18 or 21 games or when you need to win games or get fired at the end of your contract extension

Burno (as did Monty) is probably cashing in some favors or utilizing some good graces from coaches he knows and they're giving him a little reward for getting his first HC job.

(08-28-2021 01:34 PM)huskies77 Wrote:  Monty's 1st year: Purdue, Iowa, Depaul, Valparaiso, SIU, Boise St., UW Milwaukee, SIU-Edwardsville, Utah Valley, UNO
Monty's 2nd year: Loyola, Dayton, Washington, Seattle, UNO, Valpo, Depaul, UMass, UIC, Milwaukee
Subsequent years: James Madison, Nebraska, Dartmouth, UMass, Iowa State, Loyola, Idaho, Iowa, Depaul, Notre Dame,Missouri, Ohio State, Indiana State, Minnesota, South Florida, Florida International, Cal Poly, Cal State Northridge, Northern Kentucky, Oral Roberts, Green Bay, Butler, Michigan State, Penn, Marquette, Iowa, Pitt
Tougher to schedule when you get good as when you win 18 or 21 games or when you need to win games or get fired at the end of your contract extension

No. 1, scheduling Valparaiso, SIU, UW-Milwaukee, SIU-Edwardsville, Utah Valley, Nebraska-Omaho, UIC, Idaho, Indiana State, Florida International, Cal Poly, Cal State-Northridge, and Oral Roberts was not difficult and several of those teams were at low points.
No. 2, don't conveniently forget Roosevelt, Olivet Nazarene, Judson, Rockford, Eureka, Indiana Univ.-Northwest, Illinois Tech, St. Joseph's (IN), Seattle, UI-Springfield, Aurora, Hampton, Mississippi Valley State, Carthage, Chicago State, Coppin State, Longwood.
No. 3, under Monty, NIU's best season win totals also never included any major degree of success in a MAC that has been in a decline as a hoops league. Hard to believe any opponent suspecting an upcoming firing would use that as an excuse to shy away from playing. In addition, when was Monty ever really at the end of a contract considering all the seldom revealed contract extensions. Monty's tenure rates among the program's low periods along with Ricardo Patton and Emory Luck.

(08-28-2021 03:55 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 01:34 PM)huskies77 Wrote:  Monty's 1st year: Purdue, Iowa, Depaul, Valparaiso, SIU, Boise St., UW Milwaukee, SIU-Edwardsville, Utah Valley, UNO
Monty's 2nd year: Loyola, Dayton, Washington, Seattle, UNO, Valpo, Depaul, UMass, UIC, Milwaukee
Subsequent years: James Madison, Nebraska, Dartmouth, UMass, Iowa State, Loyola, Idaho, Iowa, Depaul, Notre Dame,Missouri, Ohio State, Indiana State, Minnesota, South Florida, Florida International, Cal Poly, Cal State Northridge, Northern Kentucky, Oral Roberts, Green Bay, Butler, Michigan State, Penn, Marquette, Iowa, Pitt
Tougher to schedule when you get good as when you win 18 or 21 games or when you need to win games or get fired at the end of your contract extension

No. 1, scheduling Valparaiso, SIU, UW-Milwaukee, SIU-Edwardsville, Utah Valley, Nebraska-Omaho, UIC, Idaho, Indiana State, Florida International, Cal Poly, Cal State-Northridge, and Oral Roberts was not difficult and several of those teams were at low points.
No. 2, don't conveniently forget Roosevelt, Olivet Nazarene, Judson, Rockford, Eureka, Indiana Univ.-Northwest, Illinois Tech, St. Joseph's (IN), Seattle, UI-Springfield, Aurora, Hampton, Mississippi Valley State, Carthage, Chicago State, Coppin State, Longwood.
No. 3, under Monty, NIU's best season win totals also never included any major degree of success in a MAC that has been in a decline as a hoops league. Hard to believe any opponent suspecting an upcoming firing would use that as an excuse to shy away from playing. In addition, when was Monty ever really at the end of a contract considering all the seldom revealed contract extensions. Monty's tenure rates among the program's low periods along with Ricardo Patton and Emory Luck.

I'm not a Monty fan, but to put him and Luck in the same category as Patton is not fair. They were not as incompetent as Patton. Luck at least gave McDougal Dawkins. Patton left Monty with a bare cupboard and nothing in the pipeline.
What the program really needs is a basketball equivalent of Coach Novak. A coach that is invested and has the knowledge in building a nice foundation and will see it through until it is successful.
As much as I like Coach Burno, I don't see him lasting long at NIU. He will be on the radar of a top program as soon as he hits 20 wins.
Now the million dollar question, is there a coach out there that is the basketball version of Coach Joe that wants to be in Dekalb? I sure cannot think of one.

(08-28-2021 05:33 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 03:55 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 01:34 PM)huskies77 Wrote:  Monty's 1st year: Purdue, Iowa, Depaul, Valparaiso, SIU, Boise St., UW Milwaukee, SIU-Edwardsville, Utah Valley, UNO
Monty's 2nd year: Loyola, Dayton, Washington, Seattle, UNO, Valpo, Depaul, UMass, UIC, Milwaukee
Subsequent years: James Madison, Nebraska, Dartmouth, UMass, Iowa State, Loyola, Idaho, Iowa, Depaul, Notre Dame,Missouri, Ohio State, Indiana State, Minnesota, South Florida, Florida International, Cal Poly, Cal State Northridge, Northern Kentucky, Oral Roberts, Green Bay, Butler, Michigan State, Penn, Marquette, Iowa, Pitt
Tougher to schedule when you get good as when you win 18 or 21 games or when you need to win games or get fired at the end of your contract extension

No. 1, scheduling Valparaiso, SIU, UW-Milwaukee, SIU-Edwardsville, Utah Valley, Nebraska-Omaho, UIC, Idaho, Indiana State, Florida International, Cal Poly, Cal State-Northridge, and Oral Roberts was not difficult and several of those teams were at low points.
No. 2, don't conveniently forget Roosevelt, Olivet Nazarene, Judson, Rockford, Eureka, Indiana Univ.-Northwest, Illinois Tech, St. Joseph's (IN), Seattle, UI-Springfield, Aurora, Hampton, Mississippi Valley State, Carthage, Chicago State, Coppin State, Longwood.
No. 3, under Monty, NIU's best season win totals also never included any major degree of success in a MAC that has been in a decline as a hoops league. Hard to believe any opponent suspecting an upcoming firing would use that as an excuse to shy away from playing. In addition, when was Monty ever really at the end of a contract considering all the seldom revealed contract extensions. Monty's tenure rates among the program's low periods along with Ricardo Patton and Emory Luck.

I'm not a Monty fan, but to put him and Luck in the same category as Patton is not fair. They were not as incompetent as Patton. Luck at least gave McDougal Dawkins. Patton left Monty with a bare cupboard and nothing in the pipeline.
What the program really needs is a basketball equivalent of Coach Novak. A coach that is invested and has the knowledge in building a nice foundation and will see it through until it is successful.
As much as I like Coach Burno, I don't see him lasting long at NIU. He will be on the radar of a top program as soon as he hits 20 wins.
Now the million dollar question, is there a coach out there that is the basketball version of Coach Joe that wants to be in Dekalb? I sure cannot think of one.

^^^^^^^^
Totally agree. To me the hiring of Burno is the football equivalent of Dave Doeren. You’re happy because he’s good and will succeed but you also know he won’t stay long.

Speaking of Coach Joe, I hope he’s in good health. Wonder if he’ll make the trip next weekend to the GT game?

(08-28-2021 05:33 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 03:55 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 01:34 PM)huskies77 Wrote:  Monty's 1st year: Purdue, Iowa, Depaul, Valparaiso, SIU, Boise St., UW Milwaukee, SIU-Edwardsville, Utah Valley, UNO
Monty's 2nd year: Loyola, Dayton, Washington, Seattle, UNO, Valpo, Depaul, UMass, UIC, Milwaukee
Subsequent years: James Madison, Nebraska, Dartmouth, UMass, Iowa State, Loyola, Idaho, Iowa, Depaul, Notre Dame,Missouri, Ohio State, Indiana State, Minnesota, South Florida, Florida International, Cal Poly, Cal State Northridge, Northern Kentucky, Oral Roberts, Green Bay, Butler, Michigan State, Penn, Marquette, Iowa, Pitt
Tougher to schedule when you get good as when you win 18 or 21 games or when you need to win games or get fired at the end of your contract extension

No. 1, scheduling Valparaiso, SIU, UW-Milwaukee, SIU-Edwardsville, Utah Valley, Nebraska-Omaho, UIC, Idaho, Indiana State, Florida International, Cal Poly, Cal State-Northridge, and Oral Roberts was not difficult and several of those teams were at low points.
No. 2, don't conveniently forget Roosevelt, Olivet Nazarene, Judson, Rockford, Eureka, Indiana Univ.-Northwest, Illinois Tech, St. Joseph's (IN), Seattle, UI-Springfield, Aurora, Hampton, Mississippi Valley State, Carthage, Chicago State, Coppin State, Longwood.
No. 3, under Monty, NIU's best season win totals also never included any major degree of success in a MAC that has been in a decline as a hoops league. Hard to believe any opponent suspecting an upcoming firing would use that as an excuse to shy away from playing. In addition, when was Monty ever really at the end of a contract considering all the seldom revealed contract extensions. Monty's tenure rates among the program's low periods along with Ricardo Patton and Emory Luck.

I'm not a Monty fan, but to put him and Luck in the same category as Patton is not fair. They were not as incompetent as Patton. Luck at least gave McDougal Dawkins. Patton left Monty with a bare cupboard and nothing in the pipeline.
What the program really needs is a basketball equivalent of Coach Novak. A coach that is invested and has the knowledge in building a nice foundation and will see it through until it is successful.
As much as I like Coach Burno, I don't see him lasting long at NIU. He will be on the radar of a top program as soon as he hits 20 wins.
Now the million dollar question, is there a coach out there that is the basketball version of Coach Joe that wants to be in Dekalb? I sure cannot think of one.

Those types of coaches are really rare. So rare that you can't really pin any kinds of hopes or intent in hiring one.

Especially for the money that NIU can offer.

What you can hope for is for Burno to make NIU attractive to the next coach and so on. Make NIU a place where young coaches can go, be successful, and maybe move on. Maybe you find yourself a guy who just stays for whatever reason.

(08-28-2021 11:35 PM)Big Red Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 05:33 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 03:55 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 01:34 PM)huskies77 Wrote:  Monty's 1st year: Purdue, Iowa, Depaul, Valparaiso, SIU, Boise St., UW Milwaukee, SIU-Edwardsville, Utah Valley, UNO
Monty's 2nd year: Loyola, Dayton, Washington, Seattle, UNO, Valpo, Depaul, UMass, UIC, Milwaukee
Subsequent years: James Madison, Nebraska, Dartmouth, UMass, Iowa State, Loyola, Idaho, Iowa, Depaul, Notre Dame,Missouri, Ohio State, Indiana State, Minnesota, South Florida, Florida International, Cal Poly, Cal State Northridge, Northern Kentucky, Oral Roberts, Green Bay, Butler, Michigan State, Penn, Marquette, Iowa, Pitt
Tougher to schedule when you get good as when you win 18 or 21 games or when you need to win games or get fired at the end of your contract extension

No. 1, scheduling Valparaiso, SIU, UW-Milwaukee, SIU-Edwardsville, Utah Valley, Nebraska-Omaho, UIC, Idaho, Indiana State, Florida International, Cal Poly, Cal State-Northridge, and Oral Roberts was not difficult and several of those teams were at low points.
No. 2, don't conveniently forget Roosevelt, Olivet Nazarene, Judson, Rockford, Eureka, Indiana Univ.-Northwest, Illinois Tech, St. Joseph's (IN), Seattle, UI-Springfield, Aurora, Hampton, Mississippi Valley State, Carthage, Chicago State, Coppin State, Longwood.
No. 3, under Monty, NIU's best season win totals also never included any major degree of success in a MAC that has been in a decline as a hoops league. Hard to believe any opponent suspecting an upcoming firing would use that as an excuse to shy away from playing. In addition, when was Monty ever really at the end of a contract considering all the seldom revealed contract extensions. Monty's tenure rates among the program's low periods along with Ricardo Patton and Emory Luck.

I'm not a Monty fan, but to put him and Luck in the same category as Patton is not fair. They were not as incompetent as Patton. Luck at least gave McDougal Dawkins. Patton left Monty with a bare cupboard and nothing in the pipeline.
What the program really needs is a basketball equivalent of Coach Novak. A coach that is invested and has the knowledge in building a nice foundation and will see it through until it is successful.
As much as I like Coach Burno, I don't see him lasting long at NIU. He will be on the radar of a top program as soon as he hits 20 wins.
Now the million dollar question, is there a coach out there that is the basketball version of Coach Joe that wants to be in Dekalb? I sure cannot think of one.

Those types of coaches are really rare. So rare that you can't really pin any kinds of hopes or intent in hiring one.

Especially for the money that NIU can offer.

What you can hope for is for Burno to make NIU attractive to the next coach and so on. Make NIU a place where young coaches can go, be successful, and maybe move on. Maybe you find yourself a guy who just stays for whatever reason.

I agree 100 percent with you BR. And you are right, we should not pin our hopes of finding one. It's frustrating because we know it works, we seen it with football. And it works in basketball also in Gonzaga and Butler. And if you really want to get nostalgic, DePaul. Hell, they are still riding the wave Ray Meyer built 40 years earlier. Look at how many losing seasons they have had but they are still in public eye in Chicago.

(08-28-2021 07:37 PM)thxjoenovak Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 05:33 PM)Schaefer Beer Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 03:55 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(08-28-2021 01:34 PM)huskies77 Wrote:  Monty's 1st year: Purdue, Iowa, Depaul, Valparaiso, SIU, Boise St., UW Milwaukee, SIU-Edwardsville, Utah Valley, UNO
Monty's 2nd year: Loyola, Dayton, Washington, Seattle, UNO, Valpo, Depaul, UMass, UIC, Milwaukee
Subsequent years: James Madison, Nebraska, Dartmouth, UMass, Iowa State, Loyola, Idaho, Iowa, Depaul, Notre Dame,Missouri, Ohio State, Indiana State, Minnesota, South Florida, Florida International, Cal Poly, Cal State Northridge, Northern Kentucky, Oral Roberts, Green Bay, Butler, Michigan State, Penn, Marquette, Iowa, Pitt
Tougher to schedule when you get good as when you win 18 or 21 games or when you need to win games or get fired at the end of your contract extension

No. 1, scheduling Valparaiso, SIU, UW-Milwaukee, SIU-Edwardsville, Utah Valley, Nebraska-Omaho, UIC, Idaho, Indiana State, Florida International, Cal Poly, Cal State-Northridge, and Oral Roberts was not difficult and several of those teams were at low points.
No. 2, don't conveniently forget Roosevelt, Olivet Nazarene, Judson, Rockford, Eureka, Indiana Univ.-Northwest, Illinois Tech, St. Joseph's (IN), Seattle, UI-Springfield, Aurora, Hampton, Mississippi Valley State, Carthage, Chicago State, Coppin State, Longwood.
No. 3, under Monty, NIU's best season win totals also never included any major degree of success in a MAC that has been in a decline as a hoops league. Hard to believe any opponent suspecting an upcoming firing would use that as an excuse to shy away from playing. In addition, when was Monty ever really at the end of a contract considering all the seldom revealed contract extensions. Monty's tenure rates among the program's low periods along with Ricardo Patton and Emory Luck.

I'm not a Monty fan, but to put him and Luck in the same category as Patton is not fair. They were not as incompetent as Patton. Luck at least gave McDougal Dawkins. Patton left Monty with a bare cupboard and nothing in the pipeline.
What the program really needs is a basketball equivalent of Coach Novak. A coach that is invested and has the knowledge in building a nice foundation and will see it through until it is successful.
As much as I like Coach Burno, I don't see him lasting long at NIU. He will be on the radar of a top program as soon as he hits 20 wins.
Now the million dollar question, is there a coach out there that is the basketball version of Coach Joe that wants to be in Dekalb? I sure cannot think of one.

^^^^^^^^
Totally agree. To me the hiring of Burno is the football equivalent of Dave Doeren. You’re happy because he’s good and will succeed but you also know he won’t stay long.

Speaking of Coach Joe, I hope he’s in good health. Wonder if he’ll make the trip next weekend to the GT game?

+1 on Coach Joe's health.