(10-08-2020 03:57 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-08-2020 03:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(10-08-2020 03:03 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 11:59 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 11:52 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  You might want to share with her that if gay marriage does somehow become illegal again, then they can just as easily invalidate all gay marriages that took place prior to the ruling.

You know, if you want to mess with her.

That's what I was thinking

Gay marriage will never be overturned and no serious politician would dare try. Its not worth the cost because the majority of Americans support it. Nor will any SCOTUS risk their credibility on it.

That is a core difference between the Christian right and the Godless progs. We can be againt something, but respect that its a minority position and we are a democratic Republic.

I pray that our nation turns to Christ and the majority opinion on this changes, but I also know when Christ returns to the earth that will be the end of gay marriage, abortion and many other terribly destructive and blasphemous policies.

I hear what you're saying, but the idea of being a Republic is that we are ruled by law, not by majority vote.

Sure, we elect officials by voting. But that's not the same as rule of law.

In a Republic, the rule of law actually protects the minority against the majority.

Sorry... not trying to lecture.

The law is the law regardless of what the majority (50% + 1) says.


And the last 4 years have shown me that anything can happen.

Who would've thought that with the ultra-liberal strategy of rule by the bench would be effectively negated and, as it may end up, possibly reversed.

And if Trump gets 4 more years and the Senate stays GOP then just imagine what might happen.


But here's my hope: that one day America will experience another Great Awakening.


Great Awakening
First (c. 1730–1755)
Second (c. 1790–1840)
Third (c. 1855–1930)
Fourth (c. 1960–1980)

We can argue about that 4th one. But even when all looks lost, the power of God can turn a nation around in an instance, like a finger drawing a line in the sand. I know that you know that. I'm just saying all this for the sake of discussion.

Yep. I continue to pray daily that we have another awakening and turn back to Jesus as a nation.

I think there has been a subtle shift on abortion, but its more due to the science than a spiritual change.

I know the Bible says there is a great falling away and apostasy at the very end, and the final church age is the Laodicean (lukewarm which Jesus vomits put of his mouth)

I pray we have another revival and awaking before that happens. The time is short.

A few years ago I went to “Stand in The Gap”. A day of prayer on the National Mall. Crowd estimates said there were 3 million men in attendance praying to heal our land. As 2 Chronicles 7:14 tells us....

“If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”

We must pray for renewal as we prepare to defend our freedom and our Nation.

(10-08-2020 12:28 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  There is no such thing as settled law. And we should be thankful for that.

Otherwise slavery would still be legal.

Not as determined by the courts. The courts did not overturn slavery.... an amendment to the constitution did. Laws get changed all the time, through their appropriate channels. The purpose of the courts is to make sure that the laws that are passed are consistent with the Constitution. This is the part that dems want to circumvent through a 'living document'. Yes, the document is alive... and it has grown approximately 18 times (one of them it grew a WHOLE lot.) It does not grow through court decisions, or it's not supposed to.

What he's saying is that the courts have set a precedent where abortion is legal that has been upheld for 40 years now... That doesn't mean that it is inviolate... but to rule it suddenly unconstitutional requires an activist, not a conservative court.

Gay Marriage is similar. The WORST that happens even in the wildest fantasies would be that it becomes a Constitutional case... but the vastly more likely one would be that the court sent 'marriage' back to the states/people (because that's where rights not given up to the government go) and the governments have to pass laws about personal contracts... which of course there are also decades and even centuries of evidence where such things have been supported, even across state lines.

(10-08-2020 03:03 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 11:59 AM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 11:52 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(10-07-2020 09:34 AM)Claw Wrote:  I have a lesbian relative getting married in January because they are afraid they won't be able to get married later.

You might want to share with her that if gay marriage does somehow become illegal again, then they can just as easily invalidate all gay marriages that took place prior to the ruling.

You know, if you want to mess with her.

That's what I was thinking

Gay marriage will never be overturned and no serious politician would dare try. Its not worth the cost because the majority of Americans support it. Nor will any SCOTUS risk their credibility on it.

That is a core difference between the Christian right and the Godless progs. We can be against something, but respect that its a minority position and we are a democratic Republic.

This, not to mention that the courts wouldn't be asked to uphold something that has so clearly been decided before. They would be asked to judge the merits of a specific, new case. Again, worst case is that they'd have to enter into a new contract to CONTINUE the relationship.

That would be the interesting part though... I wonder, if freed from the bounds of the states definition of 'marriage', would gay people still sign on for the identical contract? I'm guessing that at least some would instead opt for limitations on some things... including perhaps any definition whatsoever of gender. What is 'gay' or 'straight' if you are non-binary??

The more I think of it, the more its clear that progressives should want to overturn gay marriage just as much as the far religious right.

(10-08-2020 04:14 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  A few years ago I went to “Stand in The Gap”. A day of prayer on the National Mall. Crowd estimates said there were 3 million men in attendance praying to heal our land. As 2 Chronicles 7:14 tells us....

“If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”

We must pray for renewal as we prepare to defend our freedom and our Nation.

AMEN

I often think of that verse which is essentially repeated in multiple books of the Old Testament when contemplating and praying for our nation.

I also shutter to think of the time the King called Jeremiah in and had them ask him about a similar verse, and Jeremiah told them they were too late that God had called them to repentance and warned them time and time and time again. Now His judgment had come by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar.

I pray there is still time for our repentance as a nation. There probably is, but we are running out of time.

(10-08-2020 05:12 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(10-08-2020 04:14 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  A few years ago I went to “Stand in The Gap”. A day of prayer on the National Mall. Crowd estimates said there were 3 million men in attendance praying to heal our land. As 2 Chronicles 7:14 tells us....

“If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”

We must pray for renewal as we prepare to defend our freedom and our Nation.

AMEN

I often think of that verse which is essentially repeated in multiple books of the Old Testament when contemplating and praying for our nation.

I also shutter to think of the time the King called Jeremiah in and had them ask him about a similar verse, and Jeremiah told them they were too late that God had called them to repentance and warned them time and time and time again. Now His judgment had come by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar.

I pray there is still time for our repentance as a nation. There probably is, but we are running out of time.

We will reap what we sow.

Here's a view of what was going on in the 90s.