(08-24-2020 03:44 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  A NY6 Bowl season without a legitimate G5, B1G, and PAC-12 Champ? Just stop.

Indeed. Unless we draw OU we will not have our standard sacrificial lamb warm-up in the semis before we meet Bama in the finals.

A one loss ACC Champ, especially with ND, would have gotten the nod over a one loss Pac 12, so not much of a loss there. OSU B1G champ is the only thing that would move the needle. So that opens the door for a one loss SEC West Champ. Not easy to replace OSU and the eyes they bring in across the country. Unless ND is in there, an OU/Clemson vs SEC is going to give vibes of Deja Vu. I don't fault OU and Clemson for being there every year, but I don't want college football to favor a hyper regional tilt going forward like MLB or NASCAR.

(08-24-2020 02:32 PM)UABGrad Wrote:  Pretty surprising to me that the Rose Bowl is staying around

Same. It could literally be the ONLY college football game played in the state of California all season.

(08-24-2020 11:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 03:44 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  A NY6 Bowl season without a legitimate G5, B1G, and PAC-12 Champ? Just stop.

Indeed. Unless we draw OU we will not have our standard sacrificial lamb warm-up in the semis before we meet Bama in the finals.

They'll probably figure out some way to force Clemson to play LSU in the Sugar Bowl.

(08-24-2020 05:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 04:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 03:44 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  A NY6 Bowl season without a legitimate G5, B1G, and PAC-12 Champ? Just stop... it's not like the travel can be justified either if one team member gets sick and they all end up on a plane passing through a major airport. Same for fans flying in.

The best way to do it is to make the CFP Bowls a bubble type of venue and play some high profile matchups, but it should just be the CFP bowls and nothing else this year with limited local fans, some scouts, and private rows for families.

I realize this was just a tweet by some sports writer, but it's a stretch to call what is, technically, just the CFP Championship a national championship, when the whole nation isn't playing. If it happens at all, the winner of that invitational tournament will always have a big 'ol asterisk beside its name in the record books.

There are no asterisks for 1942-1945.

There was no Spring season in those years either. What if all the P5 conferences eventually play, just not against each other either in the regular season or bowls? Do you have one champion for Fall, one for Spring and one combined mythical champion?

The only thing sports fans like better than ranking things is arguing about the rankings.

(08-25-2020 10:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 05:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 04:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 03:44 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  A NY6 Bowl season without a legitimate G5, B1G, and PAC-12 Champ? Just stop... it's not like the travel can be justified either if one team member gets sick and they all end up on a plane passing through a major airport. Same for fans flying in.

The best way to do it is to make the CFP Bowls a bubble type of venue and play some high profile matchups, but it should just be the CFP bowls and nothing else this year with limited local fans, some scouts, and private rows for families.

I realize this was just a tweet by some sports writer, but it's a stretch to call what is, technically, just the CFP Championship a national championship, when the whole nation isn't playing. If it happens at all, the winner of that invitational tournament will always have a big 'ol asterisk beside its name in the record books.

There are no asterisks for 1942-1945.

There was no Spring season in those years either. What if all the P5 conferences eventually play, just not against each other either in the regular season or bowls? Do you have one champion for Fall, one for Spring and one combined mythical champion?

The only thing sports fans like better than ranking things is arguing about the rankings.

That's just it: it would be mythical, because it wouldn't happen.

(08-25-2020 10:31 AM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 10:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 05:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 04:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 03:44 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  A NY6 Bowl season without a legitimate G5, B1G, and PAC-12 Champ? Just stop... it's not like the travel can be justified either if one team member gets sick and they all end up on a plane passing through a major airport. Same for fans flying in.

The best way to do it is to make the CFP Bowls a bubble type of venue and play some high profile matchups, but it should just be the CFP bowls and nothing else this year with limited local fans, some scouts, and private rows for families.

I realize this was just a tweet by some sports writer, but it's a stretch to call what is, technically, just the CFP Championship a national championship, when the whole nation isn't playing. If it happens at all, the winner of that invitational tournament will always have a big 'ol asterisk beside its name in the record books.

There are no asterisks for 1942-1945.

There was no Spring season in those years either. What if all the P5 conferences eventually play, just not against each other either in the regular season or bowls? Do you have one champion for Fall, one for Spring and one combined mythical champion?

The only thing sports fans like better than ranking things is arguing about the rankings.

That's just it: it would be mythical, because it wouldn't happen.

To me, they are all mythical. They've just stopped calling it that because they want to pretend a four team playoff is more than that.

(08-25-2020 10:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 05:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 04:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 03:44 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  A NY6 Bowl season without a legitimate G5, B1G, and PAC-12 Champ? Just stop... it's not like the travel can be justified either if one team member gets sick and they all end up on a plane passing through a major airport. Same for fans flying in.

The best way to do it is to make the CFP Bowls a bubble type of venue and play some high profile matchups, but it should just be the CFP bowls and nothing else this year with limited local fans, some scouts, and private rows for families.

I realize this was just a tweet by some sports writer, but it's a stretch to call what is, technically, just the CFP Championship a national championship, when the whole nation isn't playing. If it happens at all, the winner of that invitational tournament will always have a big 'ol asterisk beside its name in the record books.

There are no asterisks for 1942-1945.

There was no Spring season in those years either. What if all the P5 conferences eventually play, just not against each other either in the regular season or bowls? Do you have one champion for Fall, one for Spring and one combined mythical champion?

The only thing sports fans like better than ranking things is arguing about the rankings.

There would be the official champion of the CFP. And then like UCF, Ohio St. would claim a mythical championship because of their spring performance.

(08-25-2020 11:36 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 10:31 AM)Keswick_Crusaders_Forever51 Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 10:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 05:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 04:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  I realize this was just a tweet by some sports writer, but it's a stretch to call what is, technically, just the CFP Championship a national championship, when the whole nation isn't playing. If it happens at all, the winner of that invitational tournament will always have a big 'ol asterisk beside its name in the record books.

There are no asterisks for 1942-1945.

There was no Spring season in those years either. What if all the P5 conferences eventually play, just not against each other either in the regular season or bowls? Do you have one champion for Fall, one for Spring and one combined mythical champion?

The only thing sports fans like better than ranking things is arguing about the rankings.

That's just it: it would be mythical, because it wouldn't happen.

To me, they are all mythical. They've just stopped calling it that because they want to pretend a four team playoff is more than that.

The BCS champion was clearly still an MNC. Many times the best or 2nd best team didn't get to play, similar to the bowl system. The playoff champ is an mNC. Its a small "m" mythical.

(08-25-2020 02:00 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-25-2020 10:25 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 05:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 04:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-24-2020 03:44 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  A NY6 Bowl season without a legitimate G5, B1G, and PAC-12 Champ? Just stop... it's not like the travel can be justified either if one team member gets sick and they all end up on a plane passing through a major airport. Same for fans flying in.

The best way to do it is to make the CFP Bowls a bubble type of venue and play some high profile matchups, but it should just be the CFP bowls and nothing else this year with limited local fans, some scouts, and private rows for families.

I realize this was just a tweet by some sports writer, but it's a stretch to call what is, technically, just the CFP Championship a national championship, when the whole nation isn't playing. If it happens at all, the winner of that invitational tournament will always have a big 'ol asterisk beside its name in the record books.

There are no asterisks for 1942-1945.

There was no Spring season in those years either. What if all the P5 conferences eventually play, just not against each other either in the regular season or bowls? Do you have one champion for Fall, one for Spring and one combined mythical champion?

The only thing sports fans like better than ranking things is arguing about the rankings.

There would be the official champion of the CFP. And then like UCF, Ohio St. would claim a mythical championship because of their spring performance.

If Ohio State did that, which I don't think they would, their claim would be regarded with as much validity as UCF's was - namely zero.

I don't feel so good

USFFan

Will the PAC, BIG10, MWC, and MAC still get a percentage of the CFP money? Seems to me they should forfeit their shares since they are not playing games. More money for the programs that actually play?

(08-30-2020 05:17 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Will the PAC, BIG10, MWC, and MAC still get a percentage of the CFP money? Seems to me they should forfeit their shares since they are not playing games. More money for the programs that actually play?

That feels like kicking them when they are down.

I will say this, however: if they get any TV money despite not playing, I expect the ACC to get that same amount over and above what's due them!

(08-30-2020 05:17 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Will the PAC, BIG10, MWC, and MAC still get a percentage of the CFP money? Seems to me they should forfeit their shares since they are not playing games. More money for the programs that actually play?

That's a really interesting question. Here are the CFP's rules (relevant emphasis mine)...

Quote:The following estimates of the CFP revenue distribution are based on preliminary calculations for the 2019-2020 season and are only approximate projections of potential revenue distribution from each component:

Each conference will receive $300,000 for each of its schools when the school's football team meets the NCAA's APR for participation in a post-season football game. Each independent institution will also receive $300,000 when its football team meets that standard.

Each of the 10 conferences will also receive a base amount. For conferences that have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose, or Sugar Bowl, the base combined with the full academic performance pool will be approximately $66 million for each conference. The five conferences that do not have contacts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar Bowls will receive approximately $90 million in aggregate (full academic pool plus base), which the conferences will distribute as they choose. Notre Dame will receive a payment of $3.19 million if it meets the APR standard; the other three independents will share $1.56 million.

A conference will receive $6 million for each team that is selected for the semifinal games. There will be no additional distribution to conferences whose teams qualify for the national championship game. A conference will receive $4 million for each team that plays in a non-playoff bowl under the arrangement.

Each conference whose team participates in a playoff semifinal, Cotton, Fiesta, or Peach Bowl, or in the national championship game will receive $2.43 million to cover expenses for each game.

Additionally, certain conferences in the Football Championship Subdivision will receive $2.7 million in aggregate.

Based on that, the Pac-10 and B1G would seem to be in line for the ~ $66MM each because their champ is contracted to one of the bowls. But everything else seems to be predicated on actually playing in a bowl game, which doesn't seem feasible to happen at this point. The other conferences (and, let's face it, it will almost certainly be heavily weighted toward the remaining P3 conferences) will likely cash in.

USFFan

(08-30-2020 06:14 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(08-30-2020 05:17 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Will the PAC, BIG10, MWC, and MAC still get a percentage of the CFP money? Seems to me they should forfeit their shares since they are not playing games. More money for the programs that actually play?

That's a really interesting question. Here are the CFP's rules (relevant emphasis mine)...

Quote:The following estimates of the CFP revenue distribution are based on preliminary calculations for the 2019-2020 season and are only approximate projections of potential revenue distribution from each component:

Each conference will receive $300,000 for each of its schools when the school's football team meets the NCAA's APR for participation in a post-season football game. Each independent institution will also receive $300,000 when its football team meets that standard.

Each of the 10 conferences will also receive a base amount. For conferences that have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose, or Sugar Bowl, the base combined with the full academic performance pool will be approximately $66 million for each conference. The five conferences that do not have contacts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar Bowls will receive approximately $90 million in aggregate (full academic pool plus base), which the conferences will distribute as they choose. Notre Dame will receive a payment of $3.19 million if it meets the APR standard; the other three independents will share $1.56 million.

A conference will receive $6 million for each team that is selected for the semifinal games. There will be no additional distribution to conferences whose teams qualify for the national championship game. A conference will receive $4 million for each team that plays in a non-playoff bowl under the arrangement.

Each conference whose team participates in a playoff semifinal, Cotton, Fiesta, or Peach Bowl, or in the national championship game will receive $2.43 million to cover expenses for each game.

Additionally, certain conferences in the Football Championship Subdivision will receive $2.7 million in aggregate.

Based on that, the Pac-10 and B1G would seem to be in line for the ~ $66MM each because their champ is contracted to one of the bowls. But everything else seems to be predicated on actually playing in a bowl game, which doesn't seem feasible to happen at this point. The other conferences (and, let's face it, it will almost certainly be heavily weighted toward the remaining P3 conferences) will likely cash in.

USFFan

I'm not a lawyer, but wouldn't not playing a season place the PAC and BIG10 in breach of those lucrative contracts?

Those conferences will not place teams into those bowls, so they are not living up to their part of the agreements. I'd think those contracts would have protection clauses that would make the contracts void for at least this season. I just can't see the CFP agreeing to fork over $66 million to each conference after they didn't even bother to suit up. I guess it is just another story line to follow this season.