Interesting

But calling it a timeline then giving vague times is exhausting

The key words seem to be “subsequently sent notice of inquiry” after the on or about May 29

November is subsequent
June 1 is subsequent

None of this changes the crux of the matter which is that a remarkably noble gesture of donating to the hall of fame then helping the kids family move with a modest assist because a bigger deal when Penny SUBSEQUENTLY became head coach

Still seems that if the TSSAA did not do anything about the 11,500 them the NCAA should not either

This was not systematic, the kid is gone, this just seems like overkill

The mistake was made when the lawsuit was dropped. We had the ncaa by the short hairs and nationally public opinion was on our side. I hopped since Ballin was involved it may have been different-----but instead the university did what it does best--by bending over and just taking it. We know our place and ALWAYS just take it while they SCREW us over and over and over. Whats it gonna take for us or someone to actually call/stand up to the NCAA on their unfair BS rulings against the NON BLUE BLOODS.

(03-07-2020 01:14 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 01:05 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 12:11 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...963666002/

Makes it sound like the NCAA almost immediately turned around in Late May and said that their certification was in error and that this was on the radar months before the November 5th drama.

If this is the case, how do you feel that the university lied to you for almost half of a year? As I mentioned in another thread, it would be extremely disingenuous on the university’s part to tout Wiseman on all of the preseason ticket advertisements. IMO they should be on the hook for some compensation to season ticket holders and sponsors.

You need to reread the article.

“Subsequently” sounds pretty proximal to the May 29th date. Munz replied to me on Twitter that neither party has revealed exactly when this notice was received. This detail could very well be the crux of the coming infractions ruling.

As for me, I would feel very betrayed as a fan if the NCAA sent the notice before the Bahamas trip.

From the Oxford dictionary: “ after a particular thing has happened; afterward.”

No timeline is inferred, that interpretation is dependent on the reader.

What I don’t understand is that if you are a Tiger fan, why aren’t you more outraged at the consistency that the NCAA will go to any length to **** Memphis every chance they get? All I’ve seen in at least two threads is your poking at the school and pushing the position about season ticket holders (who are mostly all boosters too) being compensated because the school is again tied up in the kangaroo court that is the NCAA infractions committee.

Are you really that angry, or just ?

(03-07-2020 04:31 PM)former guest Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 01:14 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 01:05 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 12:11 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...963666002/

Makes it sound like the NCAA almost immediately turned around in Late May and said that their certification was in error and that this was on the radar months before the November 5th drama.

If this is the case, how do you feel that the university lied to you for almost half of a year? As I mentioned in another thread, it would be extremely disingenuous on the university’s part to tout Wiseman on all of the preseason ticket advertisements. IMO they should be on the hook for some compensation to season ticket holders and sponsors.

You need to reread the article.

“Subsequently” sounds pretty proximal to the May 29th date. Munz replied to me on Twitter that neither party has revealed exactly when this notice was received. This detail could very well be the crux of the coming infractions ruling.

As for me, I would feel very betrayed as a fan if the NCAA sent the notice before the Bahamas trip.

From the Oxford dictionary: “ after a particular thing has happened; afterward.”

No timeline is inferred, that interpretation is dependent on the reader.

What I don’t understand is that if you are a Tiger fan, why aren’t you more outraged at the consistency that the NCAA will go to any length to **** Memphis every chance they get? All I’ve seen in at least two threads is your poking at the school and pushing the position about season ticket holders (who are mostly all boosters too) being compensated because the school is again tied up in the kangaroo court that is the NCAA infractions committee.

Are you really that angry, or just ?

I think there are too many gaps to know one way or the other.

If:
The NCAA ruled Wiseman was eligible
Then waited a while and said, say, late summer that they made a mistake
And/or said that they would honor their original certification (which I’ve yet to see any mention of this in writing),
then I would be furious with the NCAA

Any reasonable person would be furious with the NCAA. This is why I think there is more to the story. I also don’t think Ballin and company would have laid down like lambs had this been all there was to it.

In a nutshell, I’m not ready to pull out the pitchforks against the NCAA until I’m certain that we were in the right. There are still too many question marks.

(03-07-2020 04:05 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Interesting

But calling it a timeline then giving vague times is exhausting

The key words seem to be “subsequently sent notice of inquiry” after the on or about May 29

November is subsequent
June 1 is subsequent

None of this changes the crux of the matter which is that a remarkably noble gesture of donating to the hall of fame then helping the kids family move with a modest assist because a bigger deal when Penny SUBSEQUENTLY became head coach

Still seems that if the TSSAA did not do anything about the 11,500 them the NCAA should not either

This was not systematic, the kid is gone, this just seems like overkill

TSSAA did declare him ineligible but was sued and local judge ruled based on bias and allowed him to play.

(03-07-2020 04:09 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  The mistake was made when the lawsuit was dropped. We had the ncaa by the short hairs and nationally public opinion was on our side. I hopped since Ballin was involved it may have been different-----but instead the university did what it does best--by bending over and just taking it. We know our place and ALWAYS just take it while they SCREW us over and over and over. Whats it gonna take for us or someone to actually call/stand up to the NCAA on their unfair BS rulings against the NON BLUE BLOODS.

Ballin already knew details that are just now coming out.

If anything it was the NCAA that had Memphis by the short hairs.

That is why he added the U of Memphis to the defendants list. The NCAA almost immediately said they made the mistake on the certification.

The main portion of the deal which led to public support for Wiseman is the claim that they certified him and then waited till the season started to declare him ineligible.

That scenario is out the window now.

The school and Wiseman knew in MAY that he was likely not eligible.

(03-07-2020 05:13 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  I think there are too many gaps to know one way or the other.

If:
The NCAA ruled Wiseman was eligible
Then waited a while and said, say, late summer that they made a mistake
And/or said that they would honor their original certification (which I’ve yet to see any mention of this in writing),
then I would be furious with the NCAA

Any reasonable person would be furious with the NCAA. This is why I think there is more to the story. I also don’t think Ballin and company would have laid down like lambs had this been all there was to it.

In a nutshell, I’m not ready to pull out the pitchforks against the NCAA until I’m certain that we were in the right. There are still too many question marks.

According to the Summary of Dispute

https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Co...38266007_1

#9

(03-07-2020 05:36 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 04:09 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  The mistake was made when the lawsuit was dropped. We had the ncaa by the short hairs and nationally public opinion was on our side. I hopped since Ballin was involved it may have been different-----but instead the university did what it does best--by bending over and just taking it. We know our place and ALWAYS just take it while they SCREW us over and over and over. Whats it gonna take for us or someone to actually call/stand up to the NCAA on their unfair BS rulings against the NON BLUE BLOODS.

Ballin already knew details that are just now coming out.

If anything it was the NCAA that had Memphis by the short hairs.

That is why he added the U of Memphis to the defendants list. The NCAA almost immediately said they made the mistake on the certification.

The main portion of the deal which led to public support for Wiseman is the claim that they certified him and then waited till the season started to declare him ineligible.

That scenario is out the window now.

The school and Wiseman knew in MAY that he was likely not eligible.

Why the word "likely"---if the ncaa had us by the short hairs---why use the "likely" verbiage ? If they KNEW he was ineligible why not say so. Did they set us up ? Did the NCAA /Calipari/K/Self/Williams opine that if we say "likely ineligible" that MEMPHIS would play him and then we can nail them ?

On the other hand if the ncaa knew he was ineligible and told us likely ineligible ---then we would be fools NOT TO PLAY him. If they say likely ineligible and we DON'T play him ---we risk looking like idiots at the end of the year if they say he was good to go. They could say that they didnt say he was ineligible only LIKELY ineligible and we look like IDIOTS for not playing him. Just my thoughts -I'm not an attorney but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. For the little guys- the non power 5 schools--for the good and betterment of college basketball the suit should not have been dropped. WHY ? because they would have nailed us anyway for something else. Play or not playing they would have still nailed us . We were damned if we do damned if we don't. Ala Rose----said he was good and then he wasnt---we should have sued then. JMO

(03-07-2020 05:56 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 05:13 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  I think there are too many gaps to know one way or the other.

If:
The NCAA ruled Wiseman was eligible
Then waited a while and said, say, late summer that they made a mistake
And/or said that they would honor their original certification (which I’ve yet to see any mention of this in writing),
then I would be furious with the NCAA

Any reasonable person would be furious with the NCAA. This is why I think there is more to the story. I also don’t think Ballin and company would have laid down like lambs had this been all there was to it.

In a nutshell, I’m not ready to pull out the pitchforks against the NCAA until I’m certain that we were in the right. There are still too many question marks.

According to the Summary of Dispute

https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Co...38266007_1

#9

Thanks kind sir

So it really doesn't matter when they said it was an error because they said he would be eligible anyway.

There is still too many gaps about this situations unknown to the public to make a definitive answer to what happened.

I would love to find out:

1. What was the circumstances by which the NCAA declared they made an error in ruling him eligible

2. When exactly did they state they would still honor his eligibility

3. Did they find any new evidence between honoring his eligibility and sending that letter in November

(03-07-2020 06:40 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  There is still too many gaps about this situations unknown to the public to make a definitive answer to what happened.

I would love to find out:

1. What was the circumstances by which the NCAA declared they made an error in ruling him eligible

2. When exactly did they state they would still honor his eligibility

3. Did they find any new evidence between honoring his eligibility and sending that letter in November

I agree with everything in this post.

(03-07-2020 06:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 05:56 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 05:13 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  I think there are too many gaps to know one way or the other.

If:
The NCAA ruled Wiseman was eligible
Then waited a while and said, say, late summer that they made a mistake
And/or said that they would honor their original certification (which I’ve yet to see any mention of this in writing),
then I would be furious with the NCAA

Any reasonable person would be furious with the NCAA. This is why I think there is more to the story. I also don’t think Ballin and company would have laid down like lambs had this been all there was to it.

In a nutshell, I’m not ready to pull out the pitchforks against the NCAA until I’m certain that we were in the right. There are still too many question marks.

According to the Summary of Dispute

https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Co...38266007_1

#9

Thanks kind sir

So it really doesn't matter when they said it was an error because they said he would be eligible anyway.

Then why doesn’t isn’t the school showing this agreement to every media outlet? If this were so, I would be screaming from the rooftops and showing it off.

Does saying— oh wait, our bad— he is really ineligible but we’ll honor our decision— sound like something the NCAA would actually say?

Basically, he’s really ineligible, but we will pretend he’s eligible since we messed up— and then we will turn around and say there is new evidence— that happens to be the same evidence that was already disclosed— and now he’s “likely ineligible”

I know the NCAA is messed up, but I’m skeptical that they are that messed up.

Is it not worrisome that Ballin and the school have been completely mum on this rather than righteously indignant? Why did that fire disappear so suddenly? If what I said above is true, why not try to win this through the media/court of public opinion? Something isn’t adding up.

We basically lined up for a fight, slapped the bully in the face, and then immediately cowered and begged for mercy

The lawsuit should have never been dropped, and Wiseman should still be playing. Nationwide public opinion was on our side and the ncaa was talking out of both sides of their mouth and basically contradicting itself---almost back peddling .

(03-07-2020 06:40 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  There is still too many gaps about this situations unknown to the public to make a definitive answer to what happened.

I would love to find out:

1. What was the circumstances by which the NCAA declared they made an error in ruling him eligible

2. When exactly did they state they would still honor his eligibility

3. Did they find any new evidence between honoring his eligibility and sending that letter in November

THIS^

(03-07-2020 07:12 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 06:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 05:56 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 05:13 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  I think there are too many gaps to know one way or the other.

If:
The NCAA ruled Wiseman was eligible
Then waited a while and said, say, late summer that they made a mistake
And/or said that they would honor their original certification (which I’ve yet to see any mention of this in writing),
then I would be furious with the NCAA

Any reasonable person would be furious with the NCAA. This is why I think there is more to the story. I also don’t think Ballin and company would have laid down like lambs had this been all there was to it.

In a nutshell, I’m not ready to pull out the pitchforks against the NCAA until I’m certain that we were in the right. There are still too many question marks.

According to the Summary of Dispute

https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Co...38266007_1

#9

Thanks kind sir

So it really doesn't matter when they said it was an error because they said he would be eligible anyway.

Then why doesn’t isn’t the school showing this agreement to every media outlet? If this were so, I would be screaming from the rooftops and showing it off.

Does saying— oh wait, our bad— he is really ineligible but we’ll honor our decision— sound like something the NCAA would actually say?

Basically, he’s really ineligible, but we will pretend he’s eligible since we messed up— and then we will turn around and say there is new evidence— that happens to be the same evidence that was already disclosed— and now he’s “likely ineligible”

I know the NCAA is messed up, but I’m skeptical that they are that messed up.

I guess you can believe what you want.

But at least there is some evidence supporting this view not just speculation.

(03-07-2020 07:16 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  Is it not worrisome that Ballin and the school have been completely mum on this rather than righteously indignant? Why did that fire disappear so suddenly? If what I said above is true, why not try to win this through the media/court of public opinion? Something isn’t adding up.

We basically lined up for a fight, slapped the bully in the face, and then immediately cowered and begged for mercy

^^THIS^^

(03-07-2020 07:00 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 06:40 PM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  There is still too many gaps about this situations unknown to the public to make a definitive answer to what happened.

I would love to find out:

1. What was the circumstances by which the NCAA declared they made an error in ruling him eligible

2. When exactly did they state they would still honor his eligibility

3. Did they find any new evidence between honoring his eligibility and sending that letter in November

I agree with everything in this post.

me too, except for the use of is rather than are and the use of was rather than were...

(03-07-2020 07:12 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 06:32 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 05:56 PM)Alanda Wrote:  

(03-07-2020 05:13 PM)MtownTigers916 Wrote:  According to the Summary of Dispute

https://247sports.com/college/memphis/Co...38266007_1

#9

Thanks kind sir

So it really doesn't matter when they said it was an error because they said he would be eligible anyway.

Then why doesn’t isn’t the school showing this agreement to every media outlet? If this were so, I would be screaming from the rooftops and showing it off.

Does saying— oh wait, our bad— he is really ineligible but we’ll honor our decision— sound like something the NCAA would actually say?

Basically, he’s really ineligible, but we will pretend he’s eligible since we messed up— and then we will turn around and say there is new evidence— that happens to be the same evidence that was already disclosed— and now he’s “likely ineligible”

I know the NCAA is messed up, but I’m skeptical that they are that messed up.

I guess you can believe what you want.

But at least there is some evidence supporting this view not just speculation.

As far as the NCAA and Memphis go, I believe I'd rather be judged by a committee from UTK, Ole Miss, and Kentucky than them, so the fact that we're, apparently, going to be the guinea pigs for this new, independent group sounds like good news to me.

The smart thing that should have been done, is that when the NCAA informed them that James Wiseman is "likely ineligible", then they should have pulled him from competition and said we will wait on your ruling about his status.

Other colleges have been informed that a player was "likely ineligible" and didn't play said player.

The NCAA goes through a process and like it or not schools have to follow their authoritarian rule or face the consequences.