(02-14-2020 01:15 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:22 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:14 AM)memphisike Wrote:  Mugsy Bougus was 5 ft 8 and he played over 10 yrs in the NBA,
Wizards passed on karl malone to pick this Dude. Mugsy could steal, assist and Bust a Deep Ball.
Tiny Archibal had a decent game for a short Dude, I believe he even won the dunk contest, plus the Dude could Bust from anywhere on the court.

This applies just about as much as the David/Goliath comparison.

You see a Mugsy on our court? I certainly don't.

We dont know yet. Alo is only going to get better.

He definitely will. My only thing with him right now is the ball tends to stick in his hands on the offensive end

(02-14-2020 12:36 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 12:30 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 12:23 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 12:12 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 09:38 AM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  The last play is not on Alo. With over 10 seconds left and the "play" the coach calls in the timeout is for your 5-7 guard to simply go "iso" and drive to the basket? Heck, I don't even think we set a screen for him? I'll have to look at the play again, but I don't think so.

A Lo beat his man off the dribble. The defender made a good play by coming from behind and blocking it. The play call was fine and the execution was fine. Tip your cap to the defender for recovering quick enough to get back for the block.

Running an iso for a 5-7 guy that is not a great scorer is about the weakest play you could call in that scenario. And no, he didn't beat his man. If he would have, he would have AT LEAST gotten the shot on the rim.

Would you idiots quit with the 5'7" crap. Not sure why it's cool to completely debase a player because he missed a shot.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Nobody is debasing anyone (I'm certianly not). Alo is about 5-7. You do realize that pretty much every single basketball height (in college) is exaggerated by 2-3 inches, right? Especially guys under 6-0.

Like I said...this is NOT on Alo. At all. I like the kid and the way he plays. My only point is running that play, at that time, for him, was turrible.

Have you ever stood next to Alo?

FTR, I think the play call was great. It was one of the most open looks that Alo has had in a while and I AM NOT A FAN of his driving to the basket without knowing what the hell he is going to do when he leaves his feet. He was blocked, by the skin on the defenders fingers...who made a great play (Precious was fouled crazy on the rebound though...should have been at the FT line). I would guess, almost one on one as he was on the drive, that it was accurately anticipated by the coaches. In that case, I'll take Alo almost any day to blow by and make a layup...or get fouled doing so.

Errybody complaining about Harris's height & minutes played vs his scoring?

Malcolm Dandridge is 6'9" & he played a minute more than Tyler.

Malcolm scored 9 less points & turned the ball over 2 more times than Tyler.

This game at its most important juncture came down to how unevenly it was officiated.

(02-14-2020 02:27 PM)Cletus Wrote:  Errybody complaining about Harris's height & minutes played vs his scoring?

Malcolm Dandridge is 6'9" & he played a minute more than Tyler.

Malcolm scored 9 less points & turned the ball over 2 more times than Tyler.

This game at its most important juncture came down to how unevenly it was officiated.

I said this multiple times in the game thread. Even though Harris was only credited with 1 turnovers, at that point in the game thread he was responsible for atleast 8 possessions that were the exact same as a turnover since we went away without anything to show for the possession. He played bad for most of the game, I dont care if he made a few shots.

(02-14-2020 01:19 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 12:36 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 12:30 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 12:23 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 12:12 PM)tigers0830 Wrote:  A Lo beat his man off the dribble. The defender made a good play by coming from behind and blocking it. The play call was fine and the execution was fine. Tip your cap to the defender for recovering quick enough to get back for the block.

Running an iso for a 5-7 guy that is not a great scorer is about the weakest play you could call in that scenario. And no, he didn't beat his man. If he would have, he would have AT LEAST gotten the shot on the rim.

Would you idiots quit with the 5'7" crap. Not sure why it's cool to completely debase a player because he missed a shot.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Nobody is debasing anyone (I'm certianly not). Alo is about 5-7. You do realize that pretty much every single basketball height (in college) is exaggerated by 2-3 inches, right? Especially guys under 6-0.

Like I said...this is NOT on Alo. At all. I like the kid and the way he plays. My only point is running that play, at that time, for him, was turrible.

Have you ever stood next to Alo?

FTR, I think the play call was great. It was one of the most open looks that Alo has had in a while and I AM NOT A FAN of his driving to the basket without knowing what the hell he is going to do when he leaves his feet. He was blocked, by the skin on the defenders fingers...who made a great play (Precious was fouled crazy on the rebound though...should have been at the FT line). I would guess, almost one on one as he was on the drive, that it was accurately anticipated by the coaches. In that case, I'll take Alo almost any day to blow by and make a layup...or get fouled doing so.

Great plays work, bad plays do not work. He was playing awful all game, he had like a 2 minute period when he went from playing terrible to playing bad, then he was right back to terrible again.

And considering he is awful at driving to the basket almost always, why would you have confidence that THIS TIME he is going to be able to do it?

(02-14-2020 01:15 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:22 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:14 AM)memphisike Wrote:  Mugsy Bougus was 5 ft 8 and he played over 10 yrs in the NBA,
Wizards passed on karl malone to pick this Dude. Mugsy could steal, assist and Bust a Deep Ball.
Tiny Archibal had a decent game for a short Dude, I believe he even won the dunk contest, plus the Dude could Bust from anywhere on the court.

This applies just about as much as the David/Goliath comparison.

You see a Mugsy on our court? I certainly don't.

We dont know yet. Alo is only going to get better.

Hard not to play basketball everyday and not improve some, but you wont see much more improvement. He is just about at his ceiling.

(02-14-2020 06:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 01:15 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:22 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:14 AM)memphisike Wrote:  Mugsy Bougus was 5 ft 8 and he played over 10 yrs in the NBA,
Wizards passed on karl malone to pick this Dude. Mugsy could steal, assist and Bust a Deep Ball.
Tiny Archibal had a decent game for a short Dude, I believe he even won the dunk contest, plus the Dude could Bust from anywhere on the court.

This applies just about as much as the David/Goliath comparison.

You see a Mugsy on our court? I certainly don't.

We dont know yet. Alo is only going to get better.

Hard not to play basketball everyday and not improve some, but you wont see much more improvement. He is just about at his ceiling.

I agree, if there was any real improvement to be had it would have been from last year to this year and especially from the beginning of the season to now. If he just had some quickness, not necessarily speed but quickness, like in quickly releasing the ball on those drives rather than letting the defense get in position to block, he'd be much better. Boogie has quickness, even Baugh has quickness. Tyler and ALo not so much.

(02-14-2020 08:09 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 07:39 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 06:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 01:15 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:22 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  This applies just about as much as the David/Goliath comparison.

You see a Mugsy on our court? I certainly don't.

We dont know yet. Alo is only going to get better.

Hard not to play basketball everyday and not improve some, but you wont see much more improvement. He is just about at his ceiling.

I agree, if there was any real improvement to be had it would have been from last year to this year and especially from the beginning of the season to now. If he just had some quickness, not necessarily speed but quickness, like in quickly releasing the ball on those drives rather than letting the defense get in position to block, he'd be much better. Boogie has quickness, even Baugh has quickness. Tyler and ALo not so much.

I agree about Lomax needing a earlier release but disagree with your assessment about improvement.

Point guard position as a freshman and sophomore is always learning.

Lomax is closer to 6' than 5'7"

Imo our 8 deep lineup should look like:

Boogie Lomax
Baugh Lomax Harris
Quinones Baugh
Precious Thomas
Dandridge Thomas

Lomax and Harris probably shouldn't ever be on the floor at the same time.

Boogie does need to get 30mpg along with Precious and Quinones

Yep

I bet Penny stays.
A coach or two leaves.
A coach or two replaces them.
A player or two leaves.
A player or two graduates.
A couple of players or 4 transfer in.

And I bet we are better next year than we where this year.

Next.

I think Alo has improved some this year. His FT shooting has improved. His 3 pt shooting has improved. He does tend to get too far in the lane. That floater he hit at the end of the Cincy game was great. The last shot of regulation is what it is, a good defensive play. Precious got fouled by two Cincy players on that rebound. Another awful no call. Once again though, if we hit 1 or 2 free throws we win that game.

(02-15-2020 01:27 PM)ImaTiger Wrote:  I bet Penny stays.
A coach or two leaves.
A coach or two replaces them.
A player or two leaves.
A player or two graduates.
A couple of players or 4 transfer in.

And I bet we are better next year than we where this year.

Next.

Probably pretty close.

The problem isn't height. The problem is skill and skillset. ALo has been a pass-first guard probably his whole basketball life. He came into this season expecting to be the same thing. Now all of a sudden he is expected to be a scorer and a finisher. That's to me is going to take some time to change. Not only will he have to get continued reps at being a consistent finisher, he will also have to go through a mindset change to commit to that as well. If that is the direction expected of ALo, it probably won't look good till sometime next season.

Harris' height isn't the cause of him being streaky.

Defensively from what I've seen is fundamentals and coaching decision (the amount of switching). ALo to me is night and day from what he was last year. A 6'3 ALo last year would have still been as bad. Tyler is coming along.

(02-15-2020 06:14 PM)Alanda Wrote:  The problem isn't height. The problem is skill and skillset. ALo has been a pass-first guard probably his whole basketball life. He came into this season expecting to be the same thing. Now all of a sudden he is expected to be a scorer and a finisher. That's to me is going to take some time to change. Not only will he have to get continued reps at being a consistent finisher, he will also have to go through a mindset change to commit to that as well. If that is the direction expected of ALo, it probably won't look good till sometime next season.

Harris' height isn't the cause of him being streaky.

Defensively from what I've seen is fundamentals and coaching decision (the amount of switching). ALo to me is night and day from what he was last year. A 6'3 ALo last year would have still been as bad. Tyler is coming along.

Remember... Alex was about 130 rated recruit.

(02-14-2020 08:09 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 07:39 PM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 06:21 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 01:15 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 11:22 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  This applies just about as much as the David/Goliath comparison.

You see a Mugsy on our court? I certainly don't.

We dont know yet. Alo is only going to get better.

Hard not to play basketball everyday and not improve some, but you wont see much more improvement. He is just about at his ceiling.

I agree, if there was any real improvement to be had it would have been from last year to this year and especially from the beginning of the season to now. If he just had some quickness, not necessarily speed but quickness, like in quickly releasing the ball on those drives rather than letting the defense get in position to block, he'd be much better. Boogie has quickness, even Baugh has quickness. Tyler and ALo not so much.

I agree about Lomax needing a earlier release but disagree with your assessment about improvement.

Point guard position as a freshman and sophomore is always learning.

Lomax is closer to 6' than 5'7"

Imo our 8 deep lineup should look like:

Boogie Lomax
Baugh Lomax Harris
Quinones Baugh
Precious Thomas
Dandridge Thomas

Lomax and Harris probably shouldn't ever be on the floor at the same time.

Boogie does need to get 30mpg along with Precious and Quinones

Couldn't agree more about the 8 man rotation and especially that Boogie needs to see the bulk of the minutes. Next season will bear out, or not, what you feel about Alo's improvement. Martin didn't really show out until his senior year so you could be right.

Memphis Tigbb
No I don't see mugsy or tiny on our court, the thread was 5 ft 7 guards, I named a couple
Alo needs to Bust the Trey Ball, cut down on T.O's and play a pesky D
I've never stood next to Alo but I've stood next to DLo
Alo has to improve on his release, the Dude needs a quick release on his Trey if he's to be successful.
Might be the next mugsy, that's what I'm hearing on the street

I’m a little over 6 ft. tall. I stood right beside him in the Bahamas. He had his laying shoes on and he was pretty close to my height. He’s probably 5-11 in shoes. Tyler is several inches shorter.

Just looking back through the pictures. Have one of my wife and Tyler. She’s 5-9 and her and Tyler are about the same height in the pic standing side you side.

(02-15-2020 07:09 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(02-15-2020 06:14 PM)Alanda Wrote:  The problem isn't height. The problem is skill and skillset. ALo has been a pass-first guard probably his whole basketball life. He came into this season expecting to be the same thing. Now all of a sudden he is expected to be a scorer and a finisher. That's to me is going to take some time to change. Not only will he have to get continued reps at being a consistent finisher, he will also have to go through a mindset change to commit to that as well. If that is the direction expected of ALo, it probably won't look good till sometime next season.

Harris' height isn't the cause of him being streaky.

Defensively from what I've seen is fundamentals and coaching decision (the amount of switching). ALo to me is night and day from what he was last year. A 6'3 ALo last year would have still been as bad. Tyler is coming along.

Remember... Alex was about 130 rated recruit.

Right. This is about skillset more than talent though. ALo is being tasked to change who he is on the fly. It's not going to happen overnight. The OP may not be a believer, but I need to see the process play out more before giving up on it. And with how ALo has been getting used lately we may not see it being effective till next season...if he has the talent to pull it off.

(02-14-2020 06:20 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 01:19 PM)Chi-Town Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 12:36 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 12:30 PM)mairving Wrote:  

(02-14-2020 12:23 PM)oruvoice2 Wrote:  Running an iso for a 5-7 guy that is not a great scorer is about the weakest play you could call in that scenario. And no, he didn't beat his man. If he would have, he would have AT LEAST gotten the shot on the rim.

Would you idiots quit with the 5'7" crap. Not sure why it's cool to completely debase a player because he missed a shot.

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Nobody is debasing anyone (I'm certianly not). Alo is about 5-7. You do realize that pretty much every single basketball height (in college) is exaggerated by 2-3 inches, right? Especially guys under 6-0.

Like I said...this is NOT on Alo. At all. I like the kid and the way he plays. My only point is running that play, at that time, for him, was turrible.

Have you ever stood next to Alo?

FTR, I think the play call was great. It was one of the most open looks that Alo has had in a while and I AM NOT A FAN of his driving to the basket without knowing what the hell he is going to do when he leaves his feet. He was blocked, by the skin on the defenders fingers...who made a great play (Precious was fouled crazy on the rebound though...should have been at the FT line). I would guess, almost one on one as he was on the drive, that it was accurately anticipated by the coaches. In that case, I'll take Alo almost any day to blow by and make a layup...or get fouled doing so.

Great plays work, bad plays do not work. He was playing awful all game, he had like a 2 minute period when he went from playing terrible to playing bad, then he was right back to terrible again.

And considering he is awful at driving to the basket almost always, why would you have confidence that THIS TIME he is going to be able to do it?

Well, I guess all coaches everywhere have your recipe for success now. Imagine all games at 100% FG's made as all of the coaches everywhere just call all "great plays".

(02-15-2020 01:38 PM)AtlTigerfan Wrote:  I think Alo has improved some this year. His FT shooting has improved. His 3 pt shooting has improved. He does tend to get too far in the lane. That floater he hit at the end of the Cincy game was great. The last shot of regulation is what it is, a good defensive play. Precious got fouled by two Cincy players on that rebound. Another awful no call. Once again though, if we hit 1 or 2 free throws we win that game.

^^This^^

i wish we could have kept jones