(12-17-2019 05:05 AM)Miggy Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 09:10 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 08:11 PM)Miggy Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 03:44 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  Starting to look like a 2 bid league....need Temple, Houston, and Cindy to step it up.

If Temple beats Miami tomorrow night by a decent margin, it should be on a path toward joining the nation’s elite teams. If they lose, it’s a big set-back.

“Nation’s elite teams?”

I am confused. Why is temple on the fringe or trajectory of being in the elite category and why is beating a not impressive Miami team get them to that elite status path?

I mean I guess it’s hard to distinguish elite right now, but, no offense, I don’t think temple is anywhere near there right now.
Forgive me if you’re kidding.

Given that Temple’s opponents average but 60.1 points per game, one can safely say Temple has an elite defense that seems to be improving. One rating service has Temple within top 5 defenses in the country. Wichita State and Memphis have comparable defenses.

In Temple’s last game against St. Joe’s, Temple scored 108 points and shot as a team over 62.7 percent from the field, 53.3 on three’s, and won by 57 points. Al are a sign Temple’s offense is improving. Need to see a larger body of work, but do think Temple is on the way to possibly being one of three nation’s elite team. The Miami game may or may not indicate Temple is moving in that direction.

Temple had played a completely different style of basketball than they played in their two losses to Maryland and Missouri, and also different from the games they had won.

St. Joe’s had beaten UConn by a good margin, and lost to Villanova by 12-points, and Florida by 8-points.

When a team has a stellar defense, they have a chance to beat any given elite team. We saw that when Temple led then 5th ranked Maryland by five points at the end of the half, only to lose when they took their defensive pedal off the metal, and two players stupidly jacked up bad shots..

Maybe what Temple accomplished in the St. Joe’s game is an aberration, maybe not. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and can speculate if such will prove true or not. Maybe you think either WSU or Memphis with Wiseman would have beaten St.Joe’s.by such a wide margin

(12-16-2019 05:55 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 03:35 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 03:25 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  

(12-15-2019 07:54 PM)Penny1 Wrote:  

(12-15-2019 07:15 PM)OldFan Wrote:  My guess is that the Tigers will lose at Wichita and probably at Houston, with two other tough road games at Cincy and UConn (we don't play at Temple this year) resulting in a conference record of 16-2, 15-3, or 14-4, and overall 28-3, 27-4, or 26-5.

Have you been paying attention to this team and this conference? They aren't losing 2, 3 or especially 4 in this weak conference this year.

This ain't a Josh Pastner coached team nor is it typical freshmen. These are NBA prospects.

We were NOT supposed to be 9-1 at this point, according to the "experts", because of the Wiseman suspension plus the injury to Quinones. But we're developing, growing, jelling, getting better and winning tough hard fought games, especially in hostile environments. And all without our two best players.

We are overachieving at this point.

Penny is shutting the doubters up about his coaching ability. Some are taking notice and even mentioning him in the COY discussion.

Wait till Quinones and Wiseman return. Nobody will be able to handle us. Hell they can't beat us now!

Dude, you are the biggest homer I have ever seen. Could we only lose one game in conference? Sure. Could we lose 2 or 3 games in conference? Of course. You don’t see how we could shoot horribly and James gets in foul trouble? Basketball is way more unpredictable than what you are sounding like. Just complete homerism.

I think we have the most talent, but we will be getting everyone’s best each night and anything could happen. Good grief.

Memphis looks like the favorite to me right now. And the top looks a little less deep than I thought going into the season. But this league still has 7-8 quality teams. Playing those teams 18 times, half on the road, and **** happens. 17-1 would be HELLA impressive. It's possible, I suppose. 16-2 is also really impressive, and is definitely not crazy-talk. That sort of record happens in good leagues on occasion.

It's possible things go poorly in a game like you describe. Sometimes weird fluky things happen the other way though, as well. Like what if Memphis goes to one of their toughest games (say @UH or @WSU) and randomly goes 15-25 from 3. It's why sports is so fun!

Games against WSU, UH, UC, Temple will be dog fights. I think Memphis has the TALENT to go undefeated, but because this is basketball, that would be extraordinarily difficult. Like I said, I think we have the most talent in the conference with probably the best player, but I have seen the way we have shot this season and our athleticism has really bailed us out. I think we will certainly only get better, but if you have several games of shooting under 40% from the field, chances are you lose every once in a while.

You could have games where you shoot in the 30s and still win (UT) because the other team is either outmatched physically and athletically or they shoot worse. Cannot always bank on that happening, though. I think we have a lot to improve on, and I think we will. Cannot wait to see how this team looks in late February.

Conference play is always fun to watch; anything can happen!

Going undefeated? No way. We're going to have a few WTF games at least. I want to see us get better offensively before I start talking. I see way too much 1 on 1 stuff. We've got to get better moving the ball around. Part of the problem is there just is not enough movement from the guys without the ball. I can't believe that's by design.

(12-17-2019 04:39 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 05:55 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 03:35 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 03:25 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  

(12-15-2019 07:54 PM)Penny1 Wrote:  Have you been paying attention to this team and this conference? They aren't losing 2, 3 or especially 4 in this weak conference this year.

This ain't a Josh Pastner coached team nor is it typical freshmen. These are NBA prospects.

We were NOT supposed to be 9-1 at this point, according to the "experts", because of the Wiseman suspension plus the injury to Quinones. But we're developing, growing, jelling, getting better and winning tough hard fought games, especially in hostile environments. And all without our two best players.

We are overachieving at this point.

Penny is shutting the doubters up about his coaching ability. Some are taking notice and even mentioning him in the COY discussion.

Wait till Quinones and Wiseman return. Nobody will be able to handle us. Hell they can't beat us now!

Dude, you are the biggest homer I have ever seen. Could we only lose one game in conference? Sure. Could we lose 2 or 3 games in conference? Of course. You don’t see how we could shoot horribly and James gets in foul trouble? Basketball is way more unpredictable than what you are sounding like. Just complete homerism.

I think we have the most talent, but we will be getting everyone’s best each night and anything could happen. Good grief.

Memphis looks like the favorite to me right now. And the top looks a little less deep than I thought going into the season. But this league still has 7-8 quality teams. Playing those teams 18 times, half on the road, and **** happens. 17-1 would be HELLA impressive. It's possible, I suppose. 16-2 is also really impressive, and is definitely not crazy-talk. That sort of record happens in good leagues on occasion.

It's possible things go poorly in a game like you describe. Sometimes weird fluky things happen the other way though, as well. Like what if Memphis goes to one of their toughest games (say @UH or @WSU) and randomly goes 15-25 from 3. It's why sports is so fun!

Games against WSU, UH, UC, Temple will be dog fights. I think Memphis has the TALENT to go undefeated, but because this is basketball, that would be extraordinarily difficult. Like I said, I think we have the most talent in the conference with probably the best player, but I have seen the way we have shot this season and our athleticism has really bailed us out. I think we will certainly only get better, but if you have several games of shooting under 40% from the field, chances are you lose every once in a while.

You could have games where you shoot in the 30s and still win (UT) because the other team is either outmatched physically and athletically or they shoot worse. Cannot always bank on that happening, though. I think we have a lot to improve on, and I think we will. Cannot wait to see how this team looks in late February.

Conference play is always fun to watch; anything can happen!

Going undefeated? No way. We're going to have a few WTF games at least. I want to see us get better offensively before I start talking. I see way too much 1 on 1 stuff. We've got to get better moving the ball around. Part of the problem is there just is not enough movement from the guys without the ball. I can't believe that's by design.

Lotta youth. WSU has stretches with the same action. It'll look a lot better for both by February/March, I'd wager. Even really good players in a good scheme from a good coach can take some major adjusting to playing with a bunch of new teammates and facing opposition that is talented enough to disrupt what you're trying to do.

(12-17-2019 04:52 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 04:39 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 05:55 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 03:35 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 03:25 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  Dude, you are the biggest homer I have ever seen. Could we only lose one game in conference? Sure. Could we lose 2 or 3 games in conference? Of course. You don’t see how we could shoot horribly and James gets in foul trouble? Basketball is way more unpredictable than what you are sounding like. Just complete homerism.

I think we have the most talent, but we will be getting everyone’s best each night and anything could happen. Good grief.

Memphis looks like the favorite to me right now. And the top looks a little less deep than I thought going into the season. But this league still has 7-8 quality teams. Playing those teams 18 times, half on the road, and **** happens. 17-1 would be HELLA impressive. It's possible, I suppose. 16-2 is also really impressive, and is definitely not crazy-talk. That sort of record happens in good leagues on occasion.

It's possible things go poorly in a game like you describe. Sometimes weird fluky things happen the other way though, as well. Like what if Memphis goes to one of their toughest games (say @UH or @WSU) and randomly goes 15-25 from 3. It's why sports is so fun!

Games against WSU, UH, UC, Temple will be dog fights. I think Memphis has the TALENT to go undefeated, but because this is basketball, that would be extraordinarily difficult. Like I said, I think we have the most talent in the conference with probably the best player, but I have seen the way we have shot this season and our athleticism has really bailed us out. I think we will certainly only get better, but if you have several games of shooting under 40% from the field, chances are you lose every once in a while.

You could have games where you shoot in the 30s and still win (UT) because the other team is either outmatched physically and athletically or they shoot worse. Cannot always bank on that happening, though. I think we have a lot to improve on, and I think we will. Cannot wait to see how this team looks in late February.

Conference play is always fun to watch; anything can happen!

Going undefeated? No way. We're going to have a few WTF games at least. I want to see us get better offensively before I start talking. I see way too much 1 on 1 stuff. We've got to get better moving the ball around. Part of the problem is there just is not enough movement from the guys without the ball. I can't believe that's by design.

Lotta youth. WSU has stretches with the same action. It'll look a lot better for both by February/March, I'd wager. Even really good players in a good scheme from a good coach can take some major adjusting to playing with a bunch of new teammates and facing opposition that is talented enough to disrupt what you're trying to do.

Basically, this is my thought process as well. When Wiseman and Quinones rejoin, how does that infused talent complement the existing talent?

(12-17-2019 08:15 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 04:52 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 04:39 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 05:55 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 03:35 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  Memphis looks like the favorite to me right now. And the top looks a little less deep than I thought going into the season. But this league still has 7-8 quality teams. Playing those teams 18 times, half on the road, and **** happens. 17-1 would be HELLA impressive. It's possible, I suppose. 16-2 is also really impressive, and is definitely not crazy-talk. That sort of record happens in good leagues on occasion.

It's possible things go poorly in a game like you describe. Sometimes weird fluky things happen the other way though, as well. Like what if Memphis goes to one of their toughest games (say @UH or @WSU) and randomly goes 15-25 from 3. It's why sports is so fun!

Games against WSU, UH, UC, Temple will be dog fights. I think Memphis has the TALENT to go undefeated, but because this is basketball, that would be extraordinarily difficult. Like I said, I think we have the most talent in the conference with probably the best player, but I have seen the way we have shot this season and our athleticism has really bailed us out. I think we will certainly only get better, but if you have several games of shooting under 40% from the field, chances are you lose every once in a while.

You could have games where you shoot in the 30s and still win (UT) because the other team is either outmatched physically and athletically or they shoot worse. Cannot always bank on that happening, though. I think we have a lot to improve on, and I think we will. Cannot wait to see how this team looks in late February.

Conference play is always fun to watch; anything can happen!

Going undefeated? No way. We're going to have a few WTF games at least. I want to see us get better offensively before I start talking. I see way too much 1 on 1 stuff. We've got to get better moving the ball around. Part of the problem is there just is not enough movement from the guys without the ball. I can't believe that's by design.

Lotta youth. WSU has stretches with the same action. It'll look a lot better for both by February/March, I'd wager. Even really good players in a good scheme from a good coach can take some major adjusting to playing with a bunch of new teammates and facing opposition that is talented enough to disrupt what you're trying to do.

Basically, this is my thought process as well. When Wiseman and Quinones rejoin, how does that infused talent complement the existing talent?

Wiseman replaces Maurice’s and Lance’s minutes and Lester Q returns to starting role with DJ coming off the bench with his fellow Memphis men Lomax and Harris. I think Jayden will see little time now except in blowouts.

Wiseman has been practicing with the team and Lester has a few games under his belt. After they shake the rust off, they will add much more offensive firepower, depth, and defensive presence.

It is a terrific “problem” to solve.

(12-17-2019 04:39 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 05:55 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 03:35 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 03:25 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  

(12-15-2019 07:54 PM)Penny1 Wrote:  Have you been paying attention to this team and this conference? They aren't losing 2, 3 or especially 4 in this weak conference this year.

This ain't a Josh Pastner coached team nor is it typical freshmen. These are NBA prospects.

We were NOT supposed to be 9-1 at this point, according to the "experts", because of the Wiseman suspension plus the injury to Quinones. But we're developing, growing, jelling, getting better and winning tough hard fought games, especially in hostile environments. And all without our two best players.

We are overachieving at this point.

Penny is shutting the doubters up about his coaching ability. Some are taking notice and even mentioning him in the COY discussion.

Wait till Quinones and Wiseman return. Nobody will be able to handle us. Hell they can't beat us now!

Dude, you are the biggest homer I have ever seen. Could we only lose one game in conference? Sure. Could we lose 2 or 3 games in conference? Of course. You don’t see how we could shoot horribly and James gets in foul trouble? Basketball is way more unpredictable than what you are sounding like. Just complete homerism.

I think we have the most talent, but we will be getting everyone’s best each night and anything could happen. Good grief.

Memphis looks like the favorite to me right now. And the top looks a little less deep than I thought going into the season. But this league still has 7-8 quality teams. Playing those teams 18 times, half on the road, and **** happens. 17-1 would be HELLA impressive. It's possible, I suppose. 16-2 is also really impressive, and is definitely not crazy-talk. That sort of record happens in good leagues on occasion.

It's possible things go poorly in a game like you describe. Sometimes weird fluky things happen the other way though, as well. Like what if Memphis goes to one of their toughest games (say @UH or @WSU) and randomly goes 15-25 from 3. It's why sports is so fun!

Games against WSU, UH, UC, Temple will be dog fights. I think Memphis has the TALENT to go undefeated, but because this is basketball, that would be extraordinarily difficult. Like I said, I think we have the most talent in the conference with probably the best player, but I have seen the way we have shot this season and our athleticism has really bailed us out. I think we will certainly only get better, but if you have several games of shooting under 40% from the field, chances are you lose every once in a while.

You could have games where you shoot in the 30s and still win (UT) because the other team is either outmatched physically and athletically or they shoot worse. Cannot always bank on that happening, though. I think we have a lot to improve on, and I think we will. Cannot wait to see how this team looks in late February.

Conference play is always fun to watch; anything can happen!

Going undefeated? No way. We're going to have a few WTF games at least. I want to see us get better offensively before I start talking. I see way too much 1 on 1 stuff. We've got to get better moving the ball around. Part of the problem is there just is not enough movement from the guys without the ball. I can't believe that's by design.

I think there is zero chance we go undefeated. I guess I didn’t explain myself well. Just look at my other posts in reply to Penny, who thinks it’s outlandish we lose more than one or two games. Even though we have enough talent to do something crazy like undefeated or lose one or two games, that is not going to happen. I pretty much explained your reply to me in a different post lol.

(12-17-2019 09:18 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 08:15 PM)I_LUV_MEMPHISTIGERS Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 04:52 PM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 04:39 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(12-16-2019 05:55 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  Games against WSU, UH, UC, Temple will be dog fights. I think Memphis has the TALENT to go undefeated, but because this is basketball, that would be extraordinarily difficult. Like I said, I think we have the most talent in the conference with probably the best player, but I have seen the way we have shot this season and our athleticism has really bailed us out. I think we will certainly only get better, but if you have several games of shooting under 40% from the field, chances are you lose every once in a while.

You could have games where you shoot in the 30s and still win (UT) because the other team is either outmatched physically and athletically or they shoot worse. Cannot always bank on that happening, though. I think we have a lot to improve on, and I think we will. Cannot wait to see how this team looks in late February.

Conference play is always fun to watch; anything can happen!

Going undefeated? No way. We're going to have a few WTF games at least. I want to see us get better offensively before I start talking. I see way too much 1 on 1 stuff. We've got to get better moving the ball around. Part of the problem is there just is not enough movement from the guys without the ball. I can't believe that's by design.

Lotta youth. WSU has stretches with the same action. It'll look a lot better for both by February/March, I'd wager. Even really good players in a good scheme from a good coach can take some major adjusting to playing with a bunch of new teammates and facing opposition that is talented enough to disrupt what you're trying to do.

Basically, this is my thought process as well. When Wiseman and Quinones rejoin, how does that infused talent complement the existing talent?

Wiseman replaces Maurice’s and Lance’s minutes and Lester Q returns to starting role with DJ coming off the bench with his fellow Memphis men Lomax and Harris. I think Jayden will see little time now except in blowouts.

Wiseman has been practicing with the team and Lester has a few games under his belt. After they shake the rust off, they will add much more offensive firepower, depth, and defensive presence.

It is a terrific “problem” to solve.

Excited for the day when Jayden sees “little time”. I think he will be a solid contributor his senior year, but it’s not hard to see that he really doesn’t fit in the speed and skill level of play right now. I guess he is having to play by default right now; hopefully it’s not by choice.