(10-20-2019 10:28 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 09:03 PM)DooX Wrote:  The Good:

Carter and Daka. It's almost unfair.
Much tighter pass D coverage than the last few weeks.
Run D continues to suffocate opponents. Except...

The Bad:

The one long run given up (on an obvious 'wildcat' type play).
Offense looked out of sync for much of the game.
Need more variety in the run game.
Lots of 1-on-1 opportunities where we couldn't beat the last guy.

The Ugly:

PR coverage.
Burned by Fake FG.
Goal line O.

I agree and would add that we need more designed runs for Nooch just to freak out the defense. If they have that to think about, it reduces their effectiveness tremendously. I understand that we aren't doing it because we don't have to and to protect our quarterback. I just hope we use it when we really need it.

Hope we don't need it until deep in the playoffs. No need to "put it on tape" now for future opponents to analyze. In some ways staying vanilla the rest of regular season makes sense, as long as the games aren't close.

(10-20-2019 03:31 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 03:16 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 12:10 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 09:04 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 08:51 AM)JMUNation Wrote:  Always good to read the other teams perspective especially when I was not able to make the game this time. No doubt we all look at things from a homer perspective. Complaining about officiating is something all fans do. Some fans are better at controlling their bias better than others.

I feel like the Tribe are on their way back. They have some nice looking Freshman on their team and London will recruit well in the future too. Better days are ahead for the Tribesman.

The CAA is JMUs to win this year. The Dukes are clearly the best team. The rest of the country is looking like a lot of parity right now with ranked teams losing every week. NDSU still looks like the cream of the crop though.

The next 3 out of 4 are at home for us. Hard to believe there are only four weeks left in the regular season.

I believe next Sat will prove otherwise. We’ll see.

I think NDSU boat races SDSU mainly because I'm not completely sold on SDSU. (or the entire valley for that matter) NDSU got caught looking ahead and luckily for them it was against a terrible team.

Then how do you explain SDSU outplaying 7-0 Minnesota (a game SDSU clearly should have won).

I predict SDSU wins. While NDSU winning by single digits wouldn’t surprise me, I’d be shocked if NDSU boat raced them.

I explain that but them being down at half to a mediocre at best southern Illinois at half and getting completely outplayed for 3 quarters against a YSU team that is looking to be not as strong as people thought after getting blown out by the same southern illinois team. Games against LIU, Drake, Indiana state are not impressive. They have not played anyone yet

As far as the FBS game against Minnesota, look at our game against the ACC champ VT, we actually won that game and went on to have a mediocre season. One game does not make a team especially when its the first of the season

As I said in another thread:
-2016 SDSU lost to Cal Poly & ILSU (both of whom lost 1s roud of the playoffs, but beat regular season beat NDSU in Fargo 19-17. Were thumped @ NDSU quarterfinals.
-2017 SDSU lost @ YSU (who finished 6-5) and to UNI, and beat NDSU in Brookings 33-21.
-Last year SDSU lost @ NDSU only 21-17 to what was likely the best NDSU team ever, certainly better than this year, but were thumped @ NDSU semis.

(10-21-2019 10:43 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 03:31 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 03:16 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 12:10 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 09:04 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  I believe next Sat will prove otherwise. We’ll see.

I think NDSU boat races SDSU mainly because I'm not completely sold on SDSU. (or the entire valley for that matter) NDSU got caught looking ahead and luckily for them it was against a terrible team.

Then how do you explain SDSU outplaying 7-0 Minnesota (a game SDSU clearly should have won).

I predict SDSU wins. While NDSU winning by single digits wouldn’t surprise me, I’d be shocked if NDSU boat raced them.

I explain that but them being down at half to a mediocre at best southern Illinois at half and getting completely outplayed for 3 quarters against a YSU team that is looking to be not as strong as people thought after getting blown out by the same southern illinois team. Games against LIU, Drake, Indiana state are not impressive. They have not played anyone yet

As far as the FBS game against Minnesota, look at our game against the ACC champ VT, we actually won that game and went on to have a mediocre season. One game does not make a team especially when its the first of the season

As I said in another thread:
-2016 SDSU lost to Cal Poly & ILSU (both of whom lost 1s roud of the playoffs, but beat regular season beat NDSU in Fargo 19-17. Were thumped @ NDSU quarterfinals.
-2017 SDSU lost @ YSU (who finished 6-5) and to UNI, and beat NDSU in Brookings 33-21.
-Last year SDSU lost @ NDSU only 21-17 to what was likely the best NDSU team ever, certainly better than this year, but were thumped @ NDSU semis.

'16, '17 and last year were probably the 3 best SDSU teams they have ever put on the field. Especially in '16/'17 with Christion, Goedert and Wieneke on offense. I dont think SDSU has the offensive firepower they've had in years past.

NDSU arguably has a better offense this year compared to last year. 39.1 ppg this year to 37.7 ppg through 7 games last year and the defense is comparable. I dont think SDSU will be able to keep up for the entire game

(10-21-2019 11:05 AM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(10-21-2019 10:43 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 03:31 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 03:16 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(10-20-2019 12:10 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  I think NDSU boat races SDSU mainly because I'm not completely sold on SDSU. (or the entire valley for that matter) NDSU got caught looking ahead and luckily for them it was against a terrible team.

Then how do you explain SDSU outplaying 7-0 Minnesota (a game SDSU clearly should have won).

I predict SDSU wins. While NDSU winning by single digits wouldn’t surprise me, I’d be shocked if NDSU boat raced them.

I explain that but them being down at half to a mediocre at best southern Illinois at half and getting completely outplayed for 3 quarters against a YSU team that is looking to be not as strong as people thought after getting blown out by the same southern illinois team. Games against LIU, Drake, Indiana state are not impressive. They have not played anyone yet

As far as the FBS game against Minnesota, look at our game against the ACC champ VT, we actually won that game and went on to have a mediocre season. One game does not make a team especially when its the first of the season

As I said in another thread:
-2016 SDSU lost to Cal Poly & ILSU (both of whom lost 1s roud of the playoffs, but beat regular season beat NDSU in Fargo 19-17. Were thumped @ NDSU quarterfinals.
-2017 SDSU lost @ YSU (who finished 6-5) and to UNI, and beat NDSU in Brookings 33-21.
-Last year SDSU lost @ NDSU only 21-17 to what was likely the best NDSU team ever, certainly better than this year, but were thumped @ NDSU semis.

'16, '17 and last year were probably the 3 best SDSU teams they have ever put on the field. Especially in '16/'17 with Christion, Goedert and Wieneke on offense. I dont think SDSU has the offensive firepower they've had in years past.

NDSU arguably has a better offense this year compared to last year. 39.1 ppg this year to 37.7 ppg through 7 games last year and the defense is comparable. I dont think SDSU will be able to keep up for the entire game

NDSU's offense isn't better it is just that the MVFC is horribly overrated and aside from SDSU and ISU® they almost universally suck or are mediocre at best (and yes I'm including YSU and UNI in the suck/mediocre crowd)

Since this has tuned into the ND State vs SDSU thread, I will chime in.
College Gameday confirmed what I was thinking. This is the biggest game in college football this week.
I will be sneaking a peek at ESPN+ during the JMU game to see if I can get score updates because of the impact that game will have on postseason seeding. 3PM kickoff vs JMU’s 3:30 kickoff.
It will be interesting which Freshman QB plays better in what should be a tight game.
Crazy stat of the week...ND State has been so dominant rushing the ball that they have only thrown an average of 16 passes per game. Compare that to Cignetti’s run heavy offense where JMU is passing 26 times per game.

I wonder what the line will be?

(10-21-2019 11:45 AM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Since this has tuned into the ND State vs SDSU thread, I will chime in.
College Gameday confirmed what I was thinking. This is the biggest game in college football this week.
I will be sneaking a peek at ESPN+ during the JMU game to see if I can get score updates because of the impact that game will have on postseason seeding. 3PM kickoff vs JMU’s 3:30 kickoff.
It will be interesting which Freshman QB plays better in what should be a tight game.
Crazy stat of the week...ND State has been so dominant rushing the ball that they have only thrown an average of 16 passes per game. Compare that to Cignetti’s run heavy offense where JMU is passing 26 times per game.

I wonder what the line will be?

NDSU -4.5. If it wasn’t for CGD, I think it would be even closer. Isn’t hosting CGD seen as a negative for the home team (as far as the spread) due to the distraction?

(10-20-2019 01:58 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(10-19-2019 10:48 PM)hktribefan Wrote:  

(10-19-2019 05:08 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(10-19-2019 05:04 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(10-19-2019 05:01 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Homecoming opponents were always the easy wins, can’t have everyone back on campus for anything short of a guaranteed W. So when you’re chosen you should be insulted.

Obviously, William and Mary's choice for their homecoming opponent makes your point completely invalid. They chose an opponent that they knew was going to kick their a$$, but it gave them so much more in game day experience, it was worth an ass-whipping.

Obviously. Also, if I’m not mistaken this is the third time this year we were HC opponents.

https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2019/1...onent.html

Quote:Many teams follow the practice of scheduling an easier opponent for homecoming, typically boosting the odds of providing the home crowd with a win on the celebratory weekend. At Auburn, for example, the Tigers have not faced a Power 5 opponent for homecoming since 1991, when it hosted Mississippi State.

Most of us wish we’d not have you guys as our HC game. HC is a huge deal at WM and most years it’s a really good turnout. Since you guys are also a well attended game it would have two good turnouts if you weren’t HC. Family weekend was our last home game, and then we’re on the road until Nov 9. Kind of have to take what the CAA gives us on that one.

Two things:

1. hktribefan is right about homecoming. W&M always schedules homecoming in mid to late October and always schedules family weekend the game before that. So it is very hard to get OOC patsies to come to W'burg so late. They are busy playing conference games and so is W&M. Thus, with OOC competition eliminated, that leaves a CAA game for homecoming. W&M does not make the CAA schedule, and apparently Joey D likes to stick it to W&M. We had JMU this year and 2017, and last year we had an excellent Maine team (in what was actually a very exciting game, a win for W&M, and we gave Maine their only CAA loss last year).
So, Purple, W&M almost always has "a full house and loud crowd and great game day atmosphere" for homecoming regardless of opponent, and last year against Maine was absolutely not "a boring ghost town". So unless W&M moves homecoming to earlier in the year (not going to happen) then we are stuck with whoever the CAA gives us.

2. JMU fans always complain about officiating -- even when you win. Don't get me wrong, I hate bad officiating too -- but try to hold back on the whining when you are winning. Today's game was one of the most one-sided officiated games that I can remember in a long time (especially for a game where the officiating did not decide the outcome). Here are some observations:

I really want to know what happened on that "illegal substitution" call which negated the Tribe's nice stop on fourth down and goal. Based on how long London spoke to the officials, he sure acted like it wasn't just another Tribe screwup.

How does W&M get warned for excessive celebration (and it wasn't even a touchdown play) but late in the game a JMU defender throws a Tribe RB to the turf and then stands over him balling his fists, in the classic taunting posture, but no call is made?

How does Anderson get off a pass and then go down for five minutes -- but with no roughing the passer called -- but less than a minute later the Tribe puts on a good rush resulting in an incompletion -- but gets called for roughing the JMU QB?

Look at the film of the only play that got reviewed. JMU runner was approaching the sideline hoping to turn upfield for a first down. It looked like a defender grabbed him and got his knee to go down but the ref -- who was crouching and looking right at the play from no more than two feet away -- made no call. The runner kept running and they credited him with a first down. Fortunately, London asked for the review which reversed the call. So tell me how a ref misses that call (from so close) unless he is just ultra incompetent or unless .......

JMU got called for only two penalties, for only 15 yards. One penalty was for putting a kickoff out of bounds (yeah, they HAD to call that one) near the end of the third quarter. The other one was at the 7:19 mark of the fourth quarter, with the score already 31-10, and a Dukes tight end got called for holding. Talk about a cosmetic call to try to put lipstick on a pig! JMU is not that good at avoiding penalties. You have had two other games with only two penalties (but more yards) but you have also had games of 9-85 (Nova), 7-64 (Elon), and 6-55 (Chattanooga). You had more penalties against Morgan State and St. Francis. So I think you are clearly not so disciplined a team as to go 2-15 today.

The really annoying part of it is that JMU would still have won by several touchdowns even if the officiating had been unbiased. You didn't need the help. Joey D is intent on making sure one CAA team gets a playoff bye and, hopefully, home field until Frisco. Without that, you risk going on the road in the playoffs and losing, with non-CAA officials on the field, like last year at Colgate.

So, really, you can probably stop complaining about the referees for the rest of the regular season.

Lol

As the complaints about refs flow freely and quickly from the again, jilted ebirts.

Start with getting an AD. Then move on to a coach (London, El O El), then work on getting players.

Then come back a whine to us about how unfair the refs have been to WMgt as you lose to freaking Albany...

My gosh, my goodness.

(10-20-2019 01:58 AM)Zorch Wrote:  

(10-19-2019 10:48 PM)hktribefan Wrote:  

(10-19-2019 05:08 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  

(10-19-2019 05:04 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(10-19-2019 05:01 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  Homecoming opponents were always the easy wins, can’t have everyone back on campus for anything short of a guaranteed W. So when you’re chosen you should be insulted.

Obviously, William and Mary's choice for their homecoming opponent makes your point completely invalid. They chose an opponent that they knew was going to kick their a$$, but it gave them so much more in game day experience, it was worth an ass-whipping.

Obviously. Also, if I’m not mistaken this is the third time this year we were HC opponents.

https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/2019/1...onent.html

Quote:Many teams follow the practice of scheduling an easier opponent for homecoming, typically boosting the odds of providing the home crowd with a win on the celebratory weekend. At Auburn, for example, the Tigers have not faced a Power 5 opponent for homecoming since 1991, when it hosted Mississippi State.

Most of us wish we’d not have you guys as our HC game. HC is a huge deal at WM and most years it’s a really good turnout. Since you guys are also a well attended game it would have two good turnouts if you weren’t HC. Family weekend was our last home game, and then we’re on the road until Nov 9. Kind of have to take what the CAA gives us on that one.

Two things:

1. hktribefan is right about homecoming. W&M always schedules homecoming in mid to late October and always schedules family weekend the game before that. So it is very hard to get OOC patsies to come to W'burg so late. They are busy playing conference games and so is W&M. Thus, with OOC competition eliminated, that leaves a CAA game for homecoming. W&M does not make the CAA schedule, and apparently Joey D likes to stick it to W&M. We had JMU this year and 2017, and last year we had an excellent Maine team (in what was actually a very exciting game, a win for W&M, and we gave Maine their only CAA loss last year).
So, Purple, W&M almost always has "a full house and loud crowd and great game day atmosphere" for homecoming regardless of opponent, and last year against Maine was absolutely not "a boring ghost town". So unless W&M moves homecoming to earlier in the year (not going to happen) then we are stuck with whoever the CAA gives us.

2. JMU fans always complain about officiating -- even when you win. Don't get me wrong, I hate bad officiating too -- but try to hold back on the whining when you are winning. Today's game was one of the most one-sided officiated games that I can remember in a long time (especially for a game where the officiating did not decide the outcome). Here are some observations:

I really want to know what happened on that "illegal substitution" call which negated the Tribe's nice stop on fourth down and goal. Based on how long London spoke to the officials, he sure acted like it wasn't just another Tribe screwup.

How does W&M get warned for excessive celebration (and it wasn't even a touchdown play) but late in the game a JMU defender throws a Tribe RB to the turf and then stands over him balling his fists, in the classic taunting posture, but no call is made?

How does Anderson get off a pass and then go down for five minutes -- but with no roughing the passer called -- but less than a minute later the Tribe puts on a good rush resulting in an incompletion -- but gets called for roughing the JMU QB?

Look at the film of the only play that got reviewed. JMU runner was approaching the sideline hoping to turn upfield for a first down. It looked like a defender grabbed him and got his knee to go down but the ref -- who was crouching and looking right at the play from no more than two feet away -- made no call. The runner kept running and they credited him with a first down. Fortunately, London asked for the review which reversed the call. So tell me how a ref misses that call (from so close) unless he is just ultra incompetent or unless .......

JMU got called for only two penalties, for only 15 yards. One penalty was for putting a kickoff out of bounds (yeah, they HAD to call that one) near the end of the third quarter. The other one was at the 7:19 mark of the fourth quarter, with the score already 31-10, and a Dukes tight end got called for holding. Talk about a cosmetic call to try to put lipstick on a pig! JMU is not that good at avoiding penalties. You have had two other games with only two penalties (but more yards) but you have also had games of 9-85 (Nova), 7-64 (Elon), and 6-55 (Chattanooga). You had more penalties against Morgan State and St. Francis. So I think you are clearly not so disciplined a team as to go 2-15 today.

The really annoying part of it is that JMU would still have won by several touchdowns even if the officiating had been unbiased. You didn't need the help. Joey D is intent on making sure one CAA team gets a playoff bye and, hopefully, home field until Frisco. Without that, you risk going on the road in the playoffs and losing, with non-CAA officials on the field, like last year at Colgate.

So, really, you can probably stop complaining about the referees for the rest of the regular season.

Lol

As the complaints about refs flow freely and quickly from the again, jilted ebirts.

Start with getting an AD. Then move on to a coach (London, El O El), then work on getting players.

Then come back a whine to us about how unfair the refs have been to WMgt as you lose to freaking Albany...

My gosh, my goodness.

On a somewhat game related note, has anyone heard what happened to the W&M QB who was knocked out of the game? And if he is OK?

Always hate to see people get hurt like that.

Brian