(09-17-2019 03:18 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  I don't see happening like this... But, for discussion sake, if Memphis and UCF both come into the CCG undefeated and UCF (with the love it is starting to receive) wins the CCG it is possible that UCF at 13-0 gets 1 of 4 playoff spots and Memphis gets the NY6 with a 12-1 record.

Don't you have to be a conference champ to go to the NY6?

(09-17-2019 03:18 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  I don't see happening like this... But, for discussion sake, if Memphis and UCF both come into the CCG undefeated and UCF (with the love it is starting to receive) wins the CCG it is possible that UCF at 13-0 gets 1 of 4 playoff spots and Memphis gets the NY6 with a 12-1 record.

Maybe, but if somehow a non-P5 champ makes the CFP, then there is no NY6 slot. It becomes an at large pick.

Also, in your scenario, Memphis would not be a conference champ, so they wouldn't be eligible for the NY6 slot, anyway.

(09-17-2019 03:18 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  I don't see happening like this... But, for discussion sake, if Memphis and UCF both come into the CCG undefeated and UCF (with the love it is starting to receive) wins the CCG it is possible that UCF at 13-0 gets 1 of 4 playoff spots and Memphis gets the NY6 with a 12-1 record.

I thought about that scenario also,, but the problem is that the biased pollsters that have six pac12 teams ranked right now are not going to let any AAC teams even sniff a top 10 ranking outside of UCF and they'll have to definitely have to stay undefeated. It seems like they are going to intentionally not rank or under rank our programs to maintain a way to keep UCF out of the playoffs even if they do end up 13-0 .

This link takes you to an interesting analysis of how the top 21-25 rankings are seemingly used to benefit the lowest P5 conferences:

https://www.cougarboard.com/board/messag...d=22306258

Last year, there were 8 ACC teams and 7 PAC teams that were ranked in the 21-25 range at some point during the season, but didn't finish the season ranked. The list includes:

ACC - Miami, Boston College, Duke, NC State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Virginia, Pittsburgh
PAC - Oregon, USC, Arizona State, Cal, Colorado, Stanford, Utah

The only non-P5 teams on the list were: BYU, South Florida, and Appalachian State

(09-17-2019 01:20 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 12:15 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 11:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I am afraid this year that there will be too many good teams in the AAC and well cannibalize our self which puts Boise St in the playoff.

Exactly what I think.

You guys mean the NY6 slot, not the CFPs, right?

Yep, sorry my bad. I meant Access bowl. I just don't see Boise losing any games and there's a good chance that our conference gives each of our top teams 1 loss.

I dont see any team this year that if they win out, they would get into the playoff over a P5 team. Even a P5 team with 1 loss. None of the current top 25 G5 have a strong enough schedule to beat them out.

(09-17-2019 04:01 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 01:20 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 12:15 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 11:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I am afraid this year that there will be too many good teams in the AAC and well cannibalize our self which puts Boise St in the playoff.

Exactly what I think.

You guys mean the NY6 slot, not the CFPs, right?

Yep, sorry my bad. I meant Access bowl. I just don't see Boise losing any games and there's a good chance that our conference gives each of our top teams 1 loss.

I dont see any team this year that if they win out, they would get into the playoff over a P5 team. Even a P5 team with 1 loss. None of the current top 25 G5 have a strong enough schedule to beat them out.

You don’t see Boise losing when their two FBS opponents have both played them within one score?

It’s not like FSU or Marshall are world beaters. This year, at least.

(09-17-2019 04:01 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 01:20 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 12:15 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 11:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I am afraid this year that there will be too many good teams in the AAC and well cannibalize our self which puts Boise St in the playoff.

Exactly what I think.

You guys mean the NY6 slot, not the CFPs, right?

Yep, sorry my bad. I meant Access bowl. I just don't see Boise losing any games and there's a good chance that our conference gives each of our top teams 1 loss.

I dont see any team this year that if they win out, they would get into the playoff over a P5 team. Even a P5 team with 1 loss. None of the current top 25 G5 have a strong enough schedule to beat them out.

Three possibilities for a BS-u loss right off the top of my head are BYU, Utah State, and the CCG (San Diego,Hawaii, Fresno State).

(09-17-2019 03:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 03:18 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  I don't see happening like this... But, for discussion sake, if Memphis and UCF both come into the CCG undefeated and UCF (with the love it is starting to receive) wins the CCG it is possible that UCF at 13-0 gets 1 of 4 playoff spots and Memphis gets the NY6 with a 12-1 record.

Maybe, but if somehow a non-P5 champ makes the CFP, then there is no NY6 slot. It becomes an at large pick.

Also, in your scenario, Memphis would not be a conference champ, so they wouldn't be eligible for the NY6 slot, anyway.

Ah yes, the non-AQ have to be conference Champs, but that rule that applies to all FBS teams is often overlooked by AQ teams...

(09-17-2019 03:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 03:18 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  I don't see happening like this... But, for discussion sake, if Memphis and UCF both come into the CCG undefeated and UCF (with the love it is starting to receive) wins the CCG it is possible that UCF at 13-0 gets 1 of 4 playoff spots and Memphis gets the NY6 with a 12-1 record.

Maybe, but if somehow a non-P5 champ makes the CFP, then there is no NY6 slot. It becomes an at large pick.

Also, in your scenario, Memphis would not be a conference champ, so they wouldn't be eligible for the NY6 slot, anyway.

This may be true for this year only. From what I understand, this year there are only 1 or 2 at-large spots in the NY6 bowls, but other years there are as much as 5? Have I got that right? Anyway, there is ONE... and only ONE spot for the "group of 5 champion that has the highest ranking", but all at-large positions are open to any team in FBS ranked in the top 12, if I'm not mistaken.

So, maybe not this year because of the playoff rotation, but some years it is possible to go to a NY6 bowl from the AAC without winning the conference.

Now... is it LIKELY???? no.

Mcmurphy is a douche trolling auburn fans.

(09-17-2019 04:59 PM)NothingButKnight Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 04:01 PM)mtmedlin Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 01:20 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 12:15 PM)Memphis Yankee Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 11:28 AM)mtmedlin Wrote:  I am afraid this year that there will be too many good teams in the AAC and well cannibalize our self which puts Boise St in the playoff.

Exactly what I think.

You guys mean the NY6 slot, not the CFPs, right?

Yep, sorry my bad. I meant Access bowl. I just don't see Boise losing any games and there's a good chance that our conference gives each of our top teams 1 loss.

I dont see any team this year that if they win out, they would get into the playoff over a P5 team. Even a P5 team with 1 loss. None of the current top 25 G5 have a strong enough schedule to beat them out.

You don’t see Boise losing when their two FBS opponents have both played them within one score?

It’s not like FSU or Marshall are world beaters. This year, at least.

They have 1 hard game left. USU will give them a run but outside of that, No I dont see them having much of a hard time. Their conference is full of cupcakes.

(09-17-2019 05:22 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 03:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 03:18 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  I don't see happening like this... But, for discussion sake, if Memphis and UCF both come into the CCG undefeated and UCF (with the love it is starting to receive) wins the CCG it is possible that UCF at 13-0 gets 1 of 4 playoff spots and Memphis gets the NY6 with a 12-1 record.

Maybe, but if somehow a non-P5 champ makes the CFP, then there is no NY6 slot. It becomes an at large pick.

Also, in your scenario, Memphis would not be a conference champ, so they wouldn't be eligible for the NY6 slot, anyway.

This may be true for this year only. From what I understand, this year there are only 1 or 2 at-large spots in the NY6 bowls, but other years there are as much as 5? Have I got that right? Anyway, there is ONE... and only ONE spot for the "group of 5 champion that has the highest ranking", but all at-large positions are open to any team in FBS ranked in the top 12, if I'm not mistaken.

So, maybe not this year because of the playoff rotation, but some years it is possible to go to a NY6 bowl from the AAC without winning the conference.

Now... is it LIKELY???? no.

My point was, if UCF (or any other non-P5) makes the playoff, no G5 champ gets the NY6 slot. It reverts to an at large spot. How many other at larges there are in any year is irrelevant.

(09-17-2019 07:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 05:22 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 03:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 03:18 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  I don't see happening like this... But, for discussion sake, if Memphis and UCF both come into the CCG undefeated and UCF (with the love it is starting to receive) wins the CCG it is possible that UCF at 13-0 gets 1 of 4 playoff spots and Memphis gets the NY6 with a 12-1 record.

Maybe, but if somehow a non-P5 champ makes the CFP, then there is no NY6 slot. It becomes an at large pick.

Also, in your scenario, Memphis would not be a conference champ, so they wouldn't be eligible for the NY6 slot, anyway.

This may be true for this year only. From what I understand, this year there are only 1 or 2 at-large spots in the NY6 bowls, but other years there are as much as 5? Have I got that right? Anyway, there is ONE... and only ONE spot for the "group of 5 champion that has the highest ranking", but all at-large positions are open to any team in FBS ranked in the top 12, if I'm not mistaken.

So, maybe not this year because of the playoff rotation, but some years it is possible to go to a NY6 bowl from the AAC without winning the conference.

Now... is it LIKELY???? no.

My point was, if UCF (or any other non-P5) makes the playoff, no G5 champ gets the NY6 slot. It reverts to an at large spot. How many other at larges there are in any year is irrelevant.

More precisely, if the highest CFP-ranked non-contract-bowl-conference champion is ranked in the top 4, that team's spot in the CFP semi-final bowl IS the "G5 spot."

(09-17-2019 04:00 PM)YNot Wrote:  This link takes you to an interesting analysis of how the top 21-25 rankings are seemingly used to benefit the lowest P5 conferences:

https://www.cougarboard.com/board/messag...d=22306258

Last year, there were 8 ACC teams and 7 PAC teams that were ranked in the 21-25 range at some point during the season, but didn't finish the season ranked. The list includes:

ACC - Miami, Boston College, Duke, NC State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, Virginia, Pittsburgh
PAC - Oregon, USC, Arizona State, Cal, Colorado, Stanford, Utah

The only non-P5 teams on the list were: BYU, South Florida, and Appalachian State

good analysis. it's a way to make sure the top teams in those conferences have a top 25 opponent.

(09-17-2019 07:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 05:22 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 03:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 03:18 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  I don't see happening like this... But, for discussion sake, if Memphis and UCF both come into the CCG undefeated and UCF (with the love it is starting to receive) wins the CCG it is possible that UCF at 13-0 gets 1 of 4 playoff spots and Memphis gets the NY6 with a 12-1 record.

Maybe, but if somehow a non-P5 champ makes the CFP, then there is no NY6 slot. It becomes an at large pick.

Also, in your scenario, Memphis would not be a conference champ, so they wouldn't be eligible for the NY6 slot, anyway.

This may be true for this year only. From what I understand, this year there are only 1 or 2 at-large spots in the NY6 bowls, but other years there are as much as 5? Have I got that right? Anyway, there is ONE... and only ONE spot for the "group of 5 champion that has the highest ranking", but all at-large positions are open to any team in FBS ranked in the top 12, if I'm not mistaken.

So, maybe not this year because of the playoff rotation, but some years it is possible to go to a NY6 bowl from the AAC without winning the conference.

Now... is it LIKELY???? no.

My point was, if UCF (or any other non-P5) makes the playoff, no G5 champ gets the NY6 slot. It reverts to an at large spot. How many other at larges there are in any year is irrelevant.

That's just not true. It is NOT irrelevant.

There are 4 more chances for a team from a non-autonomous conference to get an at-large spot in the NY6 bowls in some years than there would be in other years.

It is easy to see my point if you consider a situation where, in a particular year, USC PacXII champ is not in the playoff, nor is Wisconsin BigX champ, and they are both outside the top 12. They still, by contract, play in the Rose Bowl. Now you have 12 teams in the top 12 with only 10 spots left. If a G-5 champ from the MWC (Boise) is ranked 12th, and UCF squeaks into the CFP, You can bet in this particular scenario this particular year, Boise ain't gettin' in, whereas in another year where there were more at-large spots available, they might get an at-large.

(09-18-2019 11:20 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 07:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 05:22 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 03:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 03:18 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  I don't see happening like this... But, for discussion sake, if Memphis and UCF both come into the CCG undefeated and UCF (with the love it is starting to receive) wins the CCG it is possible that UCF at 13-0 gets 1 of 4 playoff spots and Memphis gets the NY6 with a 12-1 record.

Maybe, but if somehow a non-P5 champ makes the CFP, then there is no NY6 slot. It becomes an at large pick.

Also, in your scenario, Memphis would not be a conference champ, so they wouldn't be eligible for the NY6 slot, anyway.

This may be true for this year only. From what I understand, this year there are only 1 or 2 at-large spots in the NY6 bowls, but other years there are as much as 5? Have I got that right? Anyway, there is ONE... and only ONE spot for the "group of 5 champion that has the highest ranking", but all at-large positions are open to any team in FBS ranked in the top 12, if I'm not mistaken.

So, maybe not this year because of the playoff rotation, but some years it is possible to go to a NY6 bowl from the AAC without winning the conference.

Now... is it LIKELY???? no.

My point was, if UCF (or any other non-P5) makes the playoff, no G5 champ gets the NY6 slot. It reverts to an at large spot. How many other at larges there are in any year is irrelevant.

That's just not true. It is NOT irrelevant.

There are 4 more chances for a team from a non-autonomous conference to get an at-large spot in the NY6 bowls in some years than there would be in other years.

IT IS IRRELEVANT TO MY POINT, which was that if UCF makes the CFP, then there is no NY6 spot to go to another G5 team.

(09-18-2019 11:24 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 11:20 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 07:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 05:22 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 03:32 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Maybe, but if somehow a non-P5 champ makes the CFP, then there is no NY6 slot. It becomes an at large pick.

Also, in your scenario, Memphis would not be a conference champ, so they wouldn't be eligible for the NY6 slot, anyway.

This may be true for this year only. From what I understand, this year there are only 1 or 2 at-large spots in the NY6 bowls, but other years there are as much as 5? Have I got that right? Anyway, there is ONE... and only ONE spot for the "group of 5 champion that has the highest ranking", but all at-large positions are open to any team in FBS ranked in the top 12, if I'm not mistaken.

So, maybe not this year because of the playoff rotation, but some years it is possible to go to a NY6 bowl from the AAC without winning the conference.

Now... is it LIKELY???? no.

My point was, if UCF (or any other non-P5) makes the playoff, no G5 champ gets the NY6 slot. It reverts to an at large spot. How many other at larges there are in any year is irrelevant.

That's just not true. It is NOT irrelevant.

There are 4 more chances for a team from a non-autonomous conference to get an at-large spot in the NY6 bowls in some years than there would be in other years.

IT IS IRRELEVANT TO MY POINT, which was that if UCF makes the CFP, then there is no NY6 spot to go to another G5 team.

Do you mean this year in particular? I added some stuff that further explains my reasoning in that post above.

(09-17-2019 03:24 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 03:18 PM)GoOwls111 Wrote:  I don't see happening like this... But, for discussion sake, if Memphis and UCF both come into the CCG undefeated and UCF (with the love it is starting to receive) wins the CCG it is possible that UCF at 13-0 gets 1 of 4 playoff spots and Memphis gets the NY6 with a 12-1 record.

Don't you have to be a conference champ to go to the NY6?

Not if they were to go as an at-large.

Wouldn't mind seeing the Tigers, or any AAC team, in the Cotton Bowl.

But I'd be lying if I said I haven't thought about SMU being in there, and I'd say that the Cotton Bowl would be fairly interested in having a 13-0, 12-1, or 11-2 team in it from Dallas.

Hope springs eternal in college football.

(09-18-2019 11:30 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 11:24 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-18-2019 11:20 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 07:15 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(09-17-2019 05:22 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  This may be true for this year only. From what I understand, this year there are only 1 or 2 at-large spots in the NY6 bowls, but other years there are as much as 5? Have I got that right? Anyway, there is ONE... and only ONE spot for the "group of 5 champion that has the highest ranking", but all at-large positions are open to any team in FBS ranked in the top 12, if I'm not mistaken.

So, maybe not this year because of the playoff rotation, but some years it is possible to go to a NY6 bowl from the AAC without winning the conference.

Now... is it LIKELY???? no.

My point was, if UCF (or any other non-P5) makes the playoff, no G5 champ gets the NY6 slot. It reverts to an at large spot. How many other at larges there are in any year is irrelevant.

That's just not true. It is NOT irrelevant.

There are 4 more chances for a team from a non-autonomous conference to get an at-large spot in the NY6 bowls in some years than there would be in other years.

IT IS IRRELEVANT TO MY POINT, which was that if UCF makes the CFP, then there is no NY6 spot to go to another G5 team.

Do you mean this year in particular? I added some stuff that further explains my reasoning in that post above.

Any year. If a G5 makes the 4-team playoff, the G5 NY6 slot goes away for that year. It reverts to an at large slot.

That is the way it was agreed on when the NY6 slot was granted in the beginning.