Enforceable Federal laws on the books defining illegal activities often do not coincide with particular NCAA rules regarding payments to players and their handlers.

(03-06-2019 01:22 AM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 09:57 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 09:50 PM)micman Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 09:41 PM)Alcalde2 Wrote:  How are friends of programs corrupt? The underbelly of college sports is the NCAA themselves. Illegal and corrupt are not in direct correlation

Friend of Program — i.e. William Wesley

Seemed to me that guys like him did right by the kids... Making sure they and their families got money they deserved when the system created rules that wouldn't allow it. Maybe illegal but not corrupt

Actually laws were broken. That’s why 3 guys are going to jail with likely more to follow.

No matter which side of the debate of pay for play you embrace the rules of amateur althletics prohibited athletes from profiting. Until they change the rules it is wrong for street agents to funnel cash under the table in exchange for playing for a college team. The system is badly broken. It’s an ethics issue and coaches that participate in it violate the terms of their contract. There are tax implications.

My opinion is colleges do not need to be in the business of big time athletics that serves as a farm club for the bigs. Kids should have the right with family approval to play professionally but you can’t play both sides of the fence.

Too late for that, that's exactly what college football and basketball is..to a lesser degree a lot of "high schools" or "training academies"

(03-06-2019 08:23 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  The 'victim" in these federal cases were the schools themselves. That's how ridiculous this is.

THIS is why there is little reporting-- this is a completely bogus waste of taxpayers money the schools are not victims, they are the beneficiaries of the system.

Anytime you have a socialist pay system , you will have a black market-- the black market in college recruiting helps bring market "wages" to players and their families. Unfortunately some "uncles" end up with the money instead of the players and their parents. None of the "uncles" are going to jail only the bag men.

(03-05-2019 09:27 PM)fsquid Wrote:  He makes his money on college basketball now. Just like he doesn't like people telling Zion not to play again for Duke.

Is that really GP's position on Zion? Because that is absolutely opposite of his normal position. He is always so "for the player". For example, he loves when they sit out of football bowl games. He doesn't mind when they sit out games for negotiations.

If he is on record for wanting Zion back in uniform for Duke, he once again proves how hypocritical he can be.

(03-06-2019 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 09:27 PM)fsquid Wrote:  He makes his money on college basketball now. Just like he doesn't like people telling Zion not to play again for Duke.

Is that really GP's position on Zion? Because that is absolutely opposite of his normal position. He is always so "for the player". For example, he loves when they sit out of football bowl games. He doesn't mind when they sit out games for negotiations.

If he is on record for wanting Zion back in uniform for Duke, he once again proves how hypocritical he can be.

(03-06-2019 11:22 AM)BinghamptonNed Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:23 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  The 'victim" in these federal cases were the schools themselves. That's how ridiculous this is.

THIS is why there is little reporting-- this is a completely bogus waste of taxpayers money the schools are not victims, they are the beneficiaries of the system.

Anytime you have a socialist pay system , you will have a black market-- the black market in college recruiting helps bring market "wages" to players and their families. Unfortunately some "uncles" end up with the money instead of the players and their parents. None of the "uncles" are going to jail only the bag men.

Exactly.

One can't ignore the glaring economic incentives to sidestep the NCAA rules on the part of players, coaches, boosters AND the schools. Heck, one could easily argue the NCAA itself benefits by turning a blind eye to the whole enchilada due to the revenues gained from March Madness.

(03-06-2019 12:13 PM)fsquid Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-05-2019 09:27 PM)fsquid Wrote:  He makes his money on college basketball now. Just like he doesn't like people telling Zion not to play again for Duke.

Is that really GP's position on Zion? Because that is absolutely opposite of his normal position. He is always so "for the player". For example, he loves when they sit out of football bowl games. He doesn't mind when they sit out games for negotiations.

If he is on record for wanting Zion back in uniform for Duke, he once again proves how hypocritical he can be.

It appears that he is simply pointing out the hypocrisy of players who didn't sit out but now tell others to sit out.

Young was an entrenched top 5 projected pick in January. He was drafted 6th, so technically he hurt his draft stock by not shutting it down. Or at the least, he didn't improve it.

Yet he continued to play.

(03-06-2019 09:58 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  What gets me is how it seems the FBI and NCAA are running circles to avoid any NIKE schools.

Aren't LSU and Arizona Nike? I believe their days are coming.

I gotta get my mind around a earlier post
Illegal but not corrupt, sounds like a politician talking.
Can someone break it down for me
Illegal but not corrupt. None of my sources have heard that phrase before

Trae Young went 5th, not 6th.

And this was Trae's response to GP.

Journalists going after this would essentially be attacking their source of income. It would be akin to Fedex actually trying to bust all the drug deals that go “untracked” through their sort system. Why would fedex try? They can claim innocence through ignorance.

Idiots. If the Federal judge allows the videotapes in next month, the wall will come crumbling down. It's like they don't even want to acknowledge the next trial.

(03-06-2019 12:24 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Trae Young went 5th, not 6th.

And this was Trae's response to GP.

And that, while true, is totally irrelevant.

The point was that he was entrenched as a top 5-ish pick by January 2018 and every game he played beyond that risked him millions of dollars.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2750...ing#slide4

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2018/1/10/1...vin-bagley

(03-06-2019 02:18 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:24 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Trae Young went 5th, not 6th.

And this was Trae's response to GP.

And that, while true, is totally irrelevant.

The point was that he was entrenched as a top 5-ish pick by January 2018 and every game he played beyond that risked him millions of dollars.

I don't even like Trae Young that much, but love the fact that he thinks it's important to play out his college schedule and be a good teammate. Even though Oklahoma was bad down the stretch, he stuck it out.

And Zion isn't at any financial risk. Unless he gets his leg amputated, he is going to be the #1 pick, get around $8.5M next year, and probably sign a 8 figure shoe deal. When he is healthy, he should play.

(03-06-2019 12:24 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Trae Young went 5th, not 6th.

And this was Trae's response to GP.

Had to just now look up the thread on that. Heard a bit about it when it was happening, but just from the periphery. Also heard GP asking Wolken to get word to Trae that GP loves him.

Hilarious. That was a bad take by GP, and love that he got called out on it by everyone - including Trae.

But GP does stop short of actually saying Zion should suit back up. Leaves just enough ambiguity in there that he can argue if he gets called out. So either his point was to take a dig at Trae, which backfired. Or his point was to suggest Zion should play, which is hypocrisy. Either way it was a twitter fail.

(03-06-2019 03:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:24 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Trae Young went 5th, not 6th.

And this was Trae's response to GP.

Had to just now look up the thread on that. Heard a bit about it when it was happening, but just from the periphery. Also heard GP asking Wolken to get word to Trae that GP loves him.

Hilarious. That was a bad take by GP, and love that he got called out on it by everyone - including Trae.

But GP does stop short of actually saying Zion should suit back up. So either his point was to take a dig at Trae, which backfired. Or his point was to suggest Zion should play, which is hypocrisy. Either way it was a twitter fail.

Agreed. And GPs point made no sense, since Trae wasn't injured last season, and Zion is now.

(03-06-2019 08:57 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:44 AM)mt-tigerfan Wrote:  A little off topic, but I think all coaches (all coaches) from every university or small college should be required to teach a class.
My freshman year was at CBU and the basketball coach taught the speech class. He did a good job.
Anything that can bring coaches a little closer to the purpose of the university has to be a good thing.

I heard an announcer state that Dunphy is the only D-1 coach teaching a college class.

In college football, Mike Leach teaches a class at Washington State.

(03-06-2019 04:00 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:57 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:44 AM)mt-tigerfan Wrote:  A little off topic, but I think all coaches (all coaches) from every university or small college should be required to teach a class.
My freshman year was at CBU and the basketball coach taught the speech class. He did a good job.
Anything that can bring coaches a little closer to the purpose of the university has to be a good thing.

I heard an announcer state that Dunphy is the only D-1 coach teaching a college class.

In college football, Mike Leach teaches a class at Washington State.

Knight used to teach a class at IU. I'm sure it used to be more prevalent.

(03-06-2019 03:57 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 03:53 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 12:24 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Trae Young went 5th, not 6th.

And this was Trae's response to GP.

Had to just now look up the thread on that. Heard a bit about it when it was happening, but just from the periphery. Also heard GP asking Wolken to get word to Trae that GP loves him.

Hilarious. That was a bad take by GP, and love that he got called out on it by everyone - including Trae.

But GP does stop short of actually saying Zion should suit back up. So either his point was to take a dig at Trae, which backfired. Or his point was to suggest Zion should play, which is hypocrisy. Either way it was a twitter fail.

Agreed. And GPs point made no sense, since Trae wasn't injured last season, and Zion is now.

Yeah, that makes it even more weird. Makes me lean toward his point being to take a dig at Trae for some strange reason.

In the replies, GP took on 1 or 2 trying to make a claim that it was relevant, but he was failing quickly so he turtled.

(03-06-2019 04:00 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:57 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(03-06-2019 08:44 AM)mt-tigerfan Wrote:  A little off topic, but I think all coaches (all coaches) from every university or small college should be required to teach a class.
My freshman year was at CBU and the basketball coach taught the speech class. He did a good job.
Anything that can bring coaches a little closer to the purpose of the university has to be a good thing.

I heard an announcer state that Dunphy is the only D-1 coach teaching a college class.

In college football, Mike Leach teaches a class at Washington State.

I would pay to audit that class. Dunphy or Bobby Knight, not so much.