(01-11-2019 12:03 AM)tigertrails Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:51 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm losing hair watching them play defense

The offense will improve with talent upgrades. The defense is most concerning in regards to.his coaching because you can teach players better rotations and fundamentals no matter what their talent level is.

Don't put all eggs in one basket thinking Wiseman is the savior. This isn't like the season where everyone was waiting on Rose. That team was an elite 8 squad with talent coming in the next season to get them over the hump into the Final Four. This feels different, Wiseman is added to a mediocre team at best and may get us into the tourney but don't expect to go far. I thought our Freshman would be way better. The ECU Freshman Gardner who was lower ranked out of high school is far better than anyone on our roster.

This board consistently over rates incoming players and sets expectations too high on freshmen. Our freshmen are playing like freshmen, and Harris' game isn't translating well to college, yet. Believe it or not some players surprise in a good way. That Gardner kid is a pleasant surprise for ECU, but he missed 5-6 shots down the stretch that could have taken the lead, so imagine what their fans are saying tonight about him. The problem is not coaching.

Nearly every time out called is perfect in timing to stop runs. The plays called out of time outs are things of beauty to be admired. Martin is having a down year, especially in 3PT FG, FG, FT % shooting and assists, which is completely expected coming off such a major injury (multiple injuries actually). The defense shut ECU down to end the game.

Watch and Listen to Coach Hardaway's press conferences. He knows where the problems are and is making adjustments accordingly. I love watching his press conferences. He continuously shows his high basketball IQ, honesty, openness, forthright, and succinct answers. It is so refreshing.

Making a starting lineup adjustment by inserting Brewton shows his flexibility. Breton is shooting 40% from 3PT and 16 ppg, and >75% FG since Conference play started justifying a start.

(01-10-2019 11:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:20 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Is not showing me he is a good coach. I hope he improves, but we've got players who don't know how to call a timeout, players running into screens because there is no communication on defense, inbounds passes caroming off of the back shoulders of the intended target. No discipline. And a serious lack of a half-court offence. I get we want to play "run-n-gun", and I love it! But when we can't because the other team takes that away, we HAVE TO HAVE a serviceable offensive set or two.

Like I said, I hope he improves.

He has a lot of growing to do as a coach, but he did figure out that he needed to run actual offensive sets that got the best available shot rather than letting Harris throw up a bunch of crazy shots that caused you the game. I was actually waiting on Harris to cause you all the game, but Penny started getting him shots in the flow of the game which really helped you all down the stretch of the game..

Pirate Marv .......... don't you mean Harris would possibly "cost" us the game?

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Penny did a great job tonight.

(01-11-2019 01:36 AM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 12:03 AM)tigertrails Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:51 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm losing hair watching them play defense

The offense will improve with talent upgrades. The defense is most concerning in regards to.his coaching because you can teach players better rotations and fundamentals no matter what their talent level is.

Don't put all eggs in one basket thinking Wiseman is the savior. This isn't like the season where everyone was waiting on Rose. That team was an elite 8 squad with talent coming in the next season to get them over the hump into the Final Four. This feels different, Wiseman is added to a mediocre team at best and may get us into the tourney but don't expect to go far. I thought our Freshman would be way better. The ECU Freshman Gardner who was lower ranked out of high school is far better than anyone on our roster.

This board consistently over rates incoming players and sets expectations too high on freshmen. Our freshmen are playing like freshmen, and Harris' game isn't translating well to college, yet. Believe it or not some players surprise in a good way. That Gardner kid is a pleasant surprise for ECU, but he missed 5-6 shots down the stretch that could have taken the lead, so imagine what their fans are saying tonight about him. The problem is not coaching.

Nearly every time out called is perfect in timing to stop runs. The plays called out of time outs are things of beauty to be admired. Martin is having a down year, especially in 3PT FG, FG, FT % shooting and assists, which is completely expected coming off such a major injury (multiple injuries actually). The defense shut ECU down to end the game.

Watch and Listen to Coach Hardaway's press conferences. He knows where the problems are and is making adjustments accordingly. I love watching his press conferences. He continuously shows his high basketball IQ, honesty, openness, forthright, and succinct answers. It is so refreshing.

Making a starting lineup adjustment by inserting Brewton shows his flexibility. Breton is shooting 40% from 3PT and 16 ppg, and >75% FG since Conference play started justifying a start.

From what Penny said after the game it actually seems like he regrets starting Brewton and the other seniors.

(01-11-2019 12:04 AM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 12:00 AM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:20 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Is not showing me he is a good coach. I hope he improves, but we've got players who don't know how to call a timeout, players running into screens because there is no communication on defense, inbounds passes caroming off of the back shoulders of the intended target. No discipline. And a serious lack of a half-court offence. I get we want to play "run-n-gun", and I love it! But when we can't because the other team takes that away, we HAVE TO HAVE a serviceable offensive set or two.

Like I said, I hope he improves.

Honestly compare this team to last season's team. Do you think any of those things have gotten better or worse?! Now, are you really adding major all-stars that are dominating from day one, didn't lose a major amount of anything from last season and then remember you are comparing a first year NCAA coach to a likely HOF coach with decades of experience.

Not even including anything about fan support, recruiting or future players (because then it's a landslide) which team do you honestly think is playing better: This year's team or last year's?

Not sure that's fair, you'd expect an improvement in the JuCo guys in the 2nd year regardless, so the team should be better.

Frankly, given the cobbled together team that Tubby fielded last year, he did a really nice job. The problem of course was that he couldn't recruit … and he especially couldn't recruit Memphis.

I will agree that Tubby was probably a better, more experienced X’s and O’s coach. However, recruiting is at least half the battle in coaching and Penny is far and away much better. Give Penny some time to develop at this level - I like our long term outlook with him at the helm much better than with either of our previous two coaches.

(01-11-2019 07:09 AM)tigertrails Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 01:36 AM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 12:03 AM)tigertrails Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:51 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm losing hair watching them play defense

The offense will improve with talent upgrades. The defense is most concerning in regards to.his coaching because you can teach players better rotations and fundamentals no matter what their talent level is.

Don't put all eggs in one basket thinking Wiseman is the savior. This isn't like the season where everyone was waiting on Rose. That team was an elite 8 squad with talent coming in the next season to get them over the hump into the Final Four. This feels different, Wiseman is added to a mediocre team at best and may get us into the tourney but don't expect to go far. I thought our Freshman would be way better. The ECU Freshman Gardner who was lower ranked out of high school is far better than anyone on our roster.

This board consistently over rates incoming players and sets expectations too high on freshmen. Our freshmen are playing like freshmen, and Harris' game isn't translating well to college, yet. Believe it or not some players surprise in a good way. That Gardner kid is a pleasant surprise for ECU, but he missed 5-6 shots down the stretch that could have taken the lead, so imagine what their fans are saying tonight about him. The problem is not coaching.

Nearly every time out called is perfect in timing to stop runs. The plays called out of time outs are things of beauty to be admired. Martin is having a down year, especially in 3PT FG, FG, FT % shooting and assists, which is completely expected coming off such a major injury (multiple injuries actually). The defense shut ECU down to end the game.

Watch and Listen to Coach Hardaway's press conferences. He knows where the problems are and is making adjustments accordingly. I love watching his press conferences. He continuously shows his high basketball IQ, honesty, openness, forthright, and succinct answers. It is so refreshing.

Making a starting lineup adjustment by inserting Brewton shows his flexibility. Breton is shooting 40% from 3PT and 16 ppg, and >75% FG since Conference play started justifying a start.

From what Penny said after the game it actually seems like he regrets starting Brewton and the other seniors.

He got his message across to both Harris and Jones.

(01-11-2019 07:33 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 07:09 AM)tigertrails Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 01:36 AM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 12:03 AM)tigertrails Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:51 PM)dwash Wrote:  The offense will improve with talent upgrades. The defense is most concerning in regards to.his coaching because you can teach players better rotations and fundamentals no matter what their talent level is.

Don't put all eggs in one basket thinking Wiseman is the savior. This isn't like the season where everyone was waiting on Rose. That team was an elite 8 squad with talent coming in the next season to get them over the hump into the Final Four. This feels different, Wiseman is added to a mediocre team at best and may get us into the tourney but don't expect to go far. I thought our Freshman would be way better. The ECU Freshman Gardner who was lower ranked out of high school is far better than anyone on our roster.

This board consistently over rates incoming players and sets expectations too high on freshmen. Our freshmen are playing like freshmen, and Harris' game isn't translating well to college, yet. Believe it or not some players surprise in a good way. That Gardner kid is a pleasant surprise for ECU, but he missed 5-6 shots down the stretch that could have taken the lead, so imagine what their fans are saying tonight about him. The problem is not coaching.

Nearly every time out called is perfect in timing to stop runs. The plays called out of time outs are things of beauty to be admired. Martin is having a down year, especially in 3PT FG, FG, FT % shooting and assists, which is completely expected coming off such a major injury (multiple injuries actually). The defense shut ECU down to end the game.

Watch and Listen to Coach Hardaway's press conferences. He knows where the problems are and is making adjustments accordingly. I love watching his press conferences. He continuously shows his high basketball IQ, honesty, openness, forthright, and succinct answers. It is so refreshing.

Making a starting lineup adjustment by inserting Brewton shows his flexibility. Breton is shooting 40% from 3PT and 16 ppg, and >75% FG since Conference play started justifying a start.

From what Penny said after the game it actually seems like he regrets starting Brewton and the other seniors.

He got his message across to both Harris and Jones.

Exactly. And to his seniors

(01-10-2019 11:20 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Is not showing me he is a good coach. I hope he improves, but we've got players who don't know how to call a timeout, players running into screens because there is no communication on defense, inbounds passes caroming off of the back shoulders of the intended target. No discipline. And a serious lack of a half-court offence. I get we want to play "run-n-gun", and I love it! But when we can't because the other team takes that away, we HAVE TO HAVE a serviceable offensive set or two.

Like I said, I hope he improves.

Did you see the Spurs-Grizzlies game Wednesday night? If we follow your reasoning, then Gregg 'Pops' Popovich, the NBA coach with the 3rd all-time best record, must not be a very good coach. Every one of those mental errors you list was committed by a Spurs player during their loss to the Grizzlies. I sure hope Pop improves. He might not make the NBA Hall of Fame if he can't get his team in line. Thanks for pointing out all those things out that Pop and Penny need to teach their players. Why don't you shoot both of them an email and offer some of your coaching expertise to them before their next games?

It seemed like we had way to many effortless passes , just waiting to be picked off . Plus the effort that they had for 50/50 balls we never came close to matching . Penny has talked about not having the right energy and last night was a perfect example . As far as coaching , other than not pulling KD after three horrible passes i'd grade CPH at an C+ on this game .

Jones to me seems to have a bit of an attitude. He has a world of talent, but doesn't seem to listen to his coaches very well. Until he understands that he needs their help in developing his game, he'll never be a next level player.

Raise your hand if you think this team would be 14-2 if Calipari or Coach K were coaching this team.

I know I’m not raising mine.

Amazing how quickly some have jumped on Penny. He’s in his first year and inherited an average team. If you thought they would beat Tennessee or Texas Tech or Houston, then that’s your problem. This is a 10-6 team. They are right where they should be.

I thought everyone agreed this year was a throw away year and that we wouldn’t criticize Penny for failing to meet the unrealistic goals of the fans?

As Aaron Rodgers once said: R-E-L-A-X. Hopefully we add Watford to the class and let’s wait to start any real evaluations of Penny and this team until next year.

(01-11-2019 12:03 AM)tigertrails Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:51 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm losing hair watching them play defense

The offense will improve with talent upgrades. The defense is most concerning in regards to.his coaching because you can teach players better rotations and fundamentals no matter what their talent level is.

Don't put all eggs in one basket thinking Wiseman is the savior. This isn't like the season where everyone was waiting on Rose. That team was an elite 8 squad with talent coming in the next season to get them over the hump into the Final Four. This feels different, Wiseman is added to a mediocre team at best and may get us into the tourney but don't expect to go far. I thought our Freshman would be way better. The ECU Freshman Gardner who was lower ranked out of high school is far better than anyone on our roster.

I thought you'd be happy: Your team beat Presbyterian Blue Hose. Have a beer. Relax.

(01-11-2019 08:05 AM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  It seemed like we had way to many effortless passes , just waiting to be picked off . Plus the effort that they had for 50/50 balls we never came close to matching . Penny has talked about not having the right energy and last night was a perfect example . As far as coaching , other than not pulling KD after three horrible passes i'd grade CPH at an C+ on this game .

What about that inbounds pass that Brewton threw 1 inch in front of him to the guy guarding him... that was infuriating haha

Also I have been keeping an eye on box scores lately and it appears that everytime Maurice fumbles a pass it gets charged a turnover to the passer. That is an injustice.

You here people (coaches, fans, media) talk about lack of energy a lot any time a team is losing or not playing well. Of course it looks like that...because they aren’t playing well! It usually has more to do with talent than it does with players just not caring or hustling. Memphis doesn’t have a good enough team right now to beat conference opponents by 20 night in and night out. There will be close games like last night, a bad loss or two, etc. It has everything to do with talent. Penny can’t come out and say that, but if you read between the lines, that’s the message he’s implying. And he’s right.

(01-10-2019 11:51 PM)dwash Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:48 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I'm losing hair watching them play defense

The offense will improve with talent upgrades. The defense is most concerning in regards to.his coaching because you can teach players better rotations and fundamentals no matter what their talent level is.

agree

(01-11-2019 08:52 AM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 08:05 AM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  It seemed like we had way to many effortless passes , just waiting to be picked off . Plus the effort that they had for 50/50 balls we never came close to matching . Penny has talked about not having the right energy and last night was a perfect example . As far as coaching , other than not pulling KD after three horrible passes i'd grade CPH at an C+ on this game .

What about that inbounds pass that Brewton threw 1 inch in front of him to the guy guarding him... that was infuriating haha

That is the extremely frustrating part of watching some of our guys. They just have severe mental lapses. Those kind of mistakes are expected with freshman but not seniors. And that is not coaching. I am sure Penny has never told Brewton to throw the ball right to defender standing inches from him. And if I am not mistaking it was their really short guard with the dreadlocks who he should have been able to easily pass over.

(01-11-2019 12:31 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 12:28 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:27 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:20 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Is not showing me he is a good coach. I hope he improves, but we've got players who don't know how to call a timeout, players running into screens because there is no communication on defense, inbounds passes caroming off of the back shoulders of the intended target. No discipline. And a serious lack of a half-court offence. I get we want to play "run-n-gun", and I love it! But when we can't because the other team takes that away, we HAVE TO HAVE a serviceable offensive set or two.

Like I said, I hope he improves.

Then you are not watching close enough. We consistently run good offensive sets and consistently get good shots out of them. What we have are several talented (but 4 year talent) players, seniors that are mediocre at best and then nothing in between. Our roster is horribly unbalanced and lacks true senior leadership.

We won today because of our ability to manufacture shots and score in the half court because ECU controlled the tempo. In the beginning it worked and we got down 15. Penny and company made adjustments, like good staffs do, and we won.

I got a completely different feeling after watching us win a game today that we definitely would have lost the past 5 or 6 years with two different head coaches.

None of our seniors are good leaders and they all do bonehead stuff constantly. The coaching is there.

Bingo.

Without saying anything blatantly negative about our seniors, I’ll say this...I’m looking forward to the new players coming in next year.

Me too! As far as the coaching by Penny, I think he did an excellent job last night. If not for the coaching we would have been blown out at home.

(01-11-2019 09:13 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 12:31 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(01-11-2019 12:28 AM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:27 PM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:20 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Is not showing me he is a good coach. I hope he improves, but we've got players who don't know how to call a timeout, players running into screens because there is no communication on defense, inbounds passes caroming off of the back shoulders of the intended target. No discipline. And a serious lack of a half-court offence. I get we want to play "run-n-gun", and I love it! But when we can't because the other team takes that away, we HAVE TO HAVE a serviceable offensive set or two.

Like I said, I hope he improves.

Then you are not watching close enough. We consistently run good offensive sets and consistently get good shots out of them. What we have are several talented (but 4 year talent) players, seniors that are mediocre at best and then nothing in between. Our roster is horribly unbalanced and lacks true senior leadership.

We won today because of our ability to manufacture shots and score in the half court because ECU controlled the tempo. In the beginning it worked and we got down 15. Penny and company made adjustments, like good staffs do, and we won.

I got a completely different feeling after watching us win a game today that we definitely would have lost the past 5 or 6 years with two different head coaches.

None of our seniors are good leaders and they all do bonehead stuff constantly. The coaching is there.

Bingo.

Without saying anything blatantly negative about our seniors, I’ll say this...I’m looking forward to the new players coming in next year.

Me too! As far as the coaching by Penny, I think he did an excellent job last night. If not for the coaching we would have been blown out at home.

From what I've read, give the credit to Sam, it was his game to scout and that is why he was so heated during timeouts. He knew exactly what they need to do.

Remember Tiger fans, there will be rough patches while Penny installs his culture.

(01-11-2019 01:38 AM)Cletus Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-10-2019 11:20 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  Is not showing me he is a good coach. I hope he improves, but we've got players who don't know how to call a timeout, players running into screens because there is no communication on defense, inbounds passes caroming off of the back shoulders of the intended target. No discipline. And a serious lack of a half-court offence. I get we want to play "run-n-gun", and I love it! But when we can't because the other team takes that away, we HAVE TO HAVE a serviceable offensive set or two.

Like I said, I hope he improves.

He has a lot of growing to do as a coach, but he did figure out that he needed to run actual offensive sets that got the best available shot rather than letting Harris throw up a bunch of crazy shots that caused you the game. I was actually waiting on Harris to cause you all the game, but Penny started getting him shots in the flow of the game which really helped you all down the stretch of the game..

Pirate Marv .......... don't you mean Harris would possibly "cost" us the game?

.

Yup. That is what I meant. It was a late night and I was having trouble typing through my tears. Tough loss.