(12-09-2018 04:19 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, Louisville

NC, Duke, Virginia, VT, Miami

FSU, Clemson, GT, WF, NC State

ND plays 6 games with a shot at the ACC CG, everyone else plays 8?


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That pod louisville is in is stinks

Yes it does but we play Syracuse & BC already & the pod is only have the schedule. I wouldn’t complain about adding ND annually. Also having a CFP caliber ACC CCG would add value to the conference would it not? Is ND to scared to play a 13th game?


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(12-09-2018 04:19 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, Louisville

NC, Duke, Virginia, VT, Miami

FSU, Clemson, GT, WF, NC State

ND plays 6 games with a shot at the ACC CG, everyone else plays 8?


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That pod louisville is in is stinks

That pod is full of the same teams that Loiusville played when they were in the BE and you were happy to be there.

(12-09-2018 08:57 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 04:19 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, Louisville

NC, Duke, Virginia, VT, Miami

FSU, Clemson, GT, WF, NC State

ND plays 6 games with a shot at the ACC CG, everyone else plays 8?


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That pod louisville is in is stinks

Yes it does but we play Syracuse & BC already & the pod is only have the schedule. I wouldn’t complain about adding ND annually. Also having a CFP caliber ACC CCG would add value to the conference would it not? Is ND to scared to play a 13th game?


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I don't believe Notre Dame is scared of anything. I do believe Notre Dame has a tradition of being independent to think of though.

Changes in college football since expansion started has caused a number of traditions to go away while forcing changes upon fans.

Notre Dame being an independent isn't a tradition that needs to change. I personally don't want to see college football change any more than necessary. Notre Dame joining a conference isn't necessary at this time.

(12-09-2018 04:19 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, Louisville

NC, Duke, Virginia, VT, Miami

FSU, Clemson, GT, WF, NC State

ND plays 6 games with a shot at the ACC CG, everyone else plays 8?


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That pod louisville is in is stinks

I'm sure UCONN would trade places with us if playing former Big East teams in The ACC bothers us....

(12-09-2018 08:57 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 04:19 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 09:29 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  ND, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, BC, Louisville

NC, Duke, Virginia, VT, Miami

FSU, Clemson, GT, WF, NC State

ND plays 6 games with a shot at the ACC CG, everyone else plays 8?


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That pod louisville is in is stinks

Yes it does but we play Syracuse & BC already & the pod is only have the schedule. I wouldn’t complain about adding ND annually. Also having a CFP caliber ACC CCG would add value to the conference would it not? Is ND to scared to play a 13th game?


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No, it just doesn't see much value (and some serious detriment) in putting its football program in a conference.

A shocking position to some, I suppose, that conference membership in football is not a desirable thing.

8 conference game system that could work for the ACC from NunesMagician

https://www.nunesmagician.com/2018/12/10...ampionship

Permanent rivals you play every year



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(12-10-2018 12:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  8 conference game system that could work for the ACC from NunesMagician

https://www.nunesmagician.com/2018/12/10...ampionship

Permanent rivals you play every year



Even Years


Odd Years

Like it except Clemson's rivals should be FSU, GT, and NCSU. Those 3 should be every year.

Agreed...but there would have to be compromises. The good news is you would play NCSt 2 out of 4 years. You also, wouldn't play Syracuse and BC every year which is NE overkill for you guys.

From Cuse's prospective I'd rather let VTech and Cuse swap rivals. VTech gets Louisville every year and Cuse gets Miami every year.

(12-10-2018 02:39 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Agreed...but there would have to be compromises. The good news is you would play NCSt 2 out of 4 years. You also, wouldn't play Syracuse and BC every year which is NE overkill for you guys.

From Cuse's prospective I'd rather let VTech and Cuse swap rivals. VTech gets Louisville every year and Cuse gets Miami every year.

But what about the annual O'Rourke–McFadden Trophy?!?! I kid. Having NC State as one of Clemson's three permanent opponents would be my preference as well, but that is really just because of the history of the Textile Bowl. Ultimately, I'm not picky on that third team, as long as FSU and GT are the others. Wake would be fine with me. I went to the away game there this past season and had a great time. If we were to continue playing them annually, that would be fine.

This 3-5-5 format has been my preference ever since the rumors of removing divisions came up a few years ago. I like this approach a whole lot better than having three pods and taking the top two pod winners for the championship game. I think that idea is a bit odd. If things change, I'm in favor of not having divisions or pods and going with the 3-5-5.

(12-10-2018 12:36 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  8 conference game system that could work for the ACC from NunesMagician

https://www.nunesmagician.com/2018/12/10...ampionship

Permanent rivals you play every year



Even Years


Odd Years

I like it for VT. UVA, GT and Miami every year and 2 North Carolina teams each year. Just have 1 North Carolina team home and one away every year and it would be perfect.

What reason does the ACC have to accommodate the B1G? Especially after the B1G shot basically the same idea down when the ACC wanted to try it in an effort to get Notre Dame into the championship game?

(12-11-2018 08:38 AM)XLance Wrote:  What reason does the ACC have to accommodate the B1G? Especially after the B1G shot basically the same idea down when the ACC wanted to try it in an effort to get Notre Dame into the championship game?

Because it would benefit the ACC. We don't care about the Big Ten.

(12-11-2018 10:28 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 08:38 AM)XLance Wrote:  What reason does the ACC have to accommodate the B1G? Especially after the B1G shot basically the same idea down when the ACC wanted to try it in an effort to get Notre Dame into the championship game?

Because it would benefit the ACC. We don't care about the Big Ten.

How?
Does the conference still want Notre Dame included in the championship game?
The Irish would have been crazy to play against Clemson and get knocked out of the final four.
If we are not putting a good product on the field for the championship game, we need to look at the divisions before changing conference rules.
Why make it easier for the B1G when they crapped all over us?

(12-11-2018 11:10 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 10:28 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 08:38 AM)XLance Wrote:  What reason does the ACC have to accommodate the B1G? Especially after the B1G shot basically the same idea down when the ACC wanted to try it in an effort to get Notre Dame into the championship game?

Because it would benefit the ACC. We don't care about the Big Ten.

How?
Does the conference still want Notre Dame included in the championship game?
The Irish would have been crazy to play against Clemson and get knocked out of the final four.
If we are not putting a good product on the field for the championship game, we need to look at the divisions before changing conference rules.
Why make it easier for the B1G when they crapped all over us?

If the ACC Championship game is just between the two top teams, we won't have divisions any more. That's the whole point. That may help the B10 but it also helps the ACC. I think it would also help the SEC and some other conferences as well.

The present arrangement, that was forced upon us by The Big Ten I might add, has worked out very well for The ACC. Now that The Big Ten is suffering from the system THEY wanted in place they are looking for help. I say let them go pound sand.

Notre Dame making it into the CFP gives a handful of ACC teams (UVa, Va Tech, Duke) the opportunity to play at least one play-off team next season, and in the case of Louisville and Boston College, the opportunity to play two. That's an added boost to ACC strength of schedules. It's a win-win for The ACC.

There is absolutely nothing I can think of that The ACC needs from The Big Ten, short of forcing Notre Dame to join a conference, that The Big Ten could do to help The ACC.

In other words don't try to screw over me then ask for help.

(12-11-2018 11:10 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 10:28 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 08:38 AM)XLance Wrote:  What reason does the ACC have to accommodate the B1G? Especially after the B1G shot basically the same idea down when the ACC wanted to try it in an effort to get Notre Dame into the championship game?

Because it would benefit the ACC. We don't care about the Big Ten.

How?
Does the conference still want Notre Dame included in the championship game? NO

If we are not putting a good product on the field for the championship game, we need to look at the divisions before changing conference rules. BEST OPTION - GET RID OF THEM

Even though the rule is about conference championship games, the effect is to severely restrict how you can schedule the regular season. For a conference divided geographically - like the SEC or the Big Ten - it's not that big of a deal because the teams near you are in your division. However, the way the ACC divisions are set up creates some very undesirable side effects such as...
...Duke and NC State don't play
...UNC and Wake Forest don't play
...Wake also doesn't play VT
...FSU and GT don't play
...Louisville doesn't play either VT or Pitt
...Pitt and BC don't play
...Duke, UNC and UVA rarely play Clemson any more

Some of these are guaranteed sell outs too - but they only happen once every 6 years under the current division/scheduling arrangement. If you could eliminate divisions, these games could happen twice every four years!

(12-11-2018 11:39 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  If the ACC Championship game is just between the two top teams, we won't have divisions any more. That's the whole point.

define best ...

BETTER THAN ALL THE REST

(12-11-2018 11:10 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 10:28 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 08:38 AM)XLance Wrote:  What reason does the ACC have to accommodate the B1G? Especially after the B1G shot basically the same idea down when the ACC wanted to try it in an effort to get Notre Dame into the championship game?

Because it would benefit the ACC. We don't care about the Big Ten.

How?
Does the conference still want Notre Dame included in the championship game?
The Irish would have been crazy to play against Clemson and get knocked out of the final four.
If we are not putting a good product on the field for the championship game, we need to look at the divisions before changing conference rules.
Why make it easier for the B1G when they crapped all over us?

You will be able to play league rivals more often from the Atlantic

(12-11-2018 04:09 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 11:10 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 10:28 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 08:38 AM)XLance Wrote:  What reason does the ACC have to accommodate the B1G? Especially after the B1G shot basically the same idea down when the ACC wanted to try it in an effort to get Notre Dame into the championship game?

Because it would benefit the ACC. We don't care about the Big Ten.

How?
Does the conference still want Notre Dame included in the championship game?
The Irish would have been crazy to play against Clemson and get knocked out of the final four.
If we are not putting a good product on the field for the championship game, we need to look at the divisions before changing conference rules.
Why make it easier for the B1G when they crapped all over us?

You will be able to play league rivals more often from the Atlantic

But we would only be interested in playing Wake Forest, Clemson and Florida State from the Atlantic more often than we do. That trio is also the same three teams that most of the other Coastal teams would want to play more often, how can everybody be accommodated?
Why can't we just give up Pitt, Virginia Tech and Miami and you guys can send us Wake, Clemson and FSU?

(12-11-2018 04:46 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 04:09 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 11:10 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 10:28 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 08:38 AM)XLance Wrote:  What reason does the ACC have to accommodate the B1G? Especially after the B1G shot basically the same idea down when the ACC wanted to try it in an effort to get Notre Dame into the championship game?

Because it would benefit the ACC. We don't care about the Big Ten.

How?
Does the conference still want Notre Dame included in the championship game?
The Irish would have been crazy to play against Clemson and get knocked out of the final four.
If we are not putting a good product on the field for the championship game, we need to look at the divisions before changing conference rules.
Why make it easier for the B1G when they crapped all over us?

You will be able to play league rivals more often from the Atlantic

But we would only be interested in playing Wake Forest, Clemson and Florida State from the Atlantic more often than we do. That trio is also the same three teams that most of the other Coastal teams would want to play more often, how can everybody be accommodated?
Why can't we just give up Pitt, Virginia Tech and Miami and you guys can send us Wake, Clemson and FSU?

Because the teams that were already in the ACC - namely UNC, Duke, UVA and the rest - put the divisional alignment in the ACC by-laws, meaning it takes a super-majority to change them. So if you want to know who to blame, start by looking in the Triangle area...